Featured Hasina calls for strengthening ties with Pakistan

[colonel rajesh]

Colonel Rajesh, How is our asset Maj. Adnan Sami doing?

padmsri espected adnan sami sahab
is a proud citizen of india .

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Lol, precisely what I was thinking while reading his posts. Notice the discrepancies, like how the bhadroloks are so anti-Muslim and right in the next post, the bhadroloks would become so inclusive, intellectual, cultural etc. And as if this "bhadralok" tradition even exists now! Not to mention the scores of straw-man arguments!

Going through his posts, he came across as a Muhajir to me. He could be either a Pakistani or an Indian, doesn't matter. The insecurity bit is true for both Indians and Pakistanis.

I though don't know where exactly it stems from, is it the fact that a country that once was behind them is going ahead or the fact that the success of the only nation-state in South Asia somehow challenges the idea and concept of multi-nation states in South Asia!

Close relative of the Geneva Camp (Dhaka) Dwellers.




The hate stems from a deep seated inferiority complex towards bengalis which goes centuries back, the northerners always invaded our lands rather than make something out of their own.



Secondly, the insecurity is in relation to the fact that both those nations never existed prior to 47.... Artificial construct courtesy of the British, they're enjoying it while it lasts.

 

[KaiserX]

Close relative of the Geneva Camp (Dhaka) Dwellers.




The hate stems from a deep seated inferiority complex towards bengalis which goes centuries back, the northerners always invaded our lands rather than make something out of their own.



Secondly, the insecurity is in relation to the fact that both those nations never existed prior to 47.... Artificial construct courtesy of the British, they're enjoying it while it lasts.

Dude no one thinks about Benglis in Pakistan, I never seen any Pakistani ever talk about Bangladesh or Benglai. Its always Pakistan that is the topic of discussion for Benglais

Ask anyone on this forum if they have ever heard anyone talk about Bangladesh over a cup of tea? Honestly Pakistan never thinks of Bangladesh as a threat just a nuisance now and then when your PM opens her stinky mouth. The fact that many many Bangladeshis are allowed to voice their opinion on this forum speaks volume in itself for the tolerance you have always been shown. Now show me which Bengladeshi forum id be allowed to make the same comments? just 1 and ill call a spade a spade

Bangladesh never existed before 1971 which is pretty much Indian Occupied East Pakistan.

 

[colonel rajesh]

Additionally you have a very strategic advantage on the "chickens neck" and some "dog leg territories".
What is most important is the unity and resilience of your people.
If you look at Finland it resembles Bangladesh with numerous lakes and rivers but with a tremendous sense of unity and purpose that helped them successfully thwart several invasions from the Soviet Union. Like Finland Bangladesh steers clear of foreign conflicts and its foreign policy is geared towards strict neutrality unless invaded.
It is not easy to defeat a united nation. All the US bombing didn't help in Vietnam. It's riverine deltas, marshes,rice fields and jungles were just too difficult to control, a huge fleet of helicopters, Swift boats, hovercraft, amphibious vehicles notwithstanding.
Cuba is another example that successfully thwarted a naval invasion ( Bay of Pigs ).
What ruins a nation is the loss of identity, self-purpose, fifth columns and traitors willing to collaborate with the enemy.
Mercifully Bangladesh has solved all these challenges and like Finland, Vietnam, Cuba, Switzerland, it stands fiercely independent and proud. Stability brings investment and Bangladesh's strict implementation of its laws, its anti-corruption drive, and iron fisted zero tolerance for religious fundamentalism has not gone unnoticed. Which us why investment has poured in and Bangladesh is well on its way to becoming an Asian tiger. Its GDP and Human Development Index outstrips its neighbors.
With no offense intended and with a profuse apology in advance I would like to put forward an entirely personal opinion on Bangladesh's identity. I will stand corrected if my opinion is false.
Bangladesh must look to the future so far as its linguistic and cultural identity is concerned. Basically it must disconnect from the Bengali speaking area in the neighboring country. Bangladesh does not need a cultural reference to West Bengal simply because there is a linguistic affinity. There is a religious divide. Linguistic and cultural affinities do not override deep divides especially if one side is completely focused on hegemony and colonization. The stark example is Ireland and UK where the UK has used a 5th column of separatists to permanently occupy a portion of Ireland, The Irish fought a bitter struggle for independence and the U.K. only gave up trying to subdue Ireland after being weakened by World War 1 and economic depression in the 1930s. There are other less recent examples where linguistic affinity did not help building bonds between people most notably South Africa when the British massacred Boer civilians and consigned hundreds of thousands into concentration camps ( the first in history).
The West Bengali elite ( bhadralok ), look upon their Bangladeshi co-linguistic neighbors with undisguised disgust and use epithets that we shall not repeat here.
While Bangladesh acknowledges the common cultural heritage from.the Dwijendrageeti Dhonno Dhanne Pushpe Bhora and has adopted Amar Shonar Bangla as its national anthem the West Bengalis do not show the same acknowledgment to Al Mahmud or Kazi Nazrul Islam..
Like their counterparts in the rest of their country the West Bengali bhadralok hate Muslims and which is why there is a Bangladesh today.
But much as I hold my nose saying this we must give the devil its due. To be fair to the West Bengali bhadralok they have been stellar contributors to Bengali poetry, literature, music, theatre, and above all an excellent movie and television industry. Their contributions have long transcended the linguistic barriers and their work has been translated into several languages and their movies and TV serials sub-titled and re-distributed. Satyajit Ray, Hrishikesh Mukherji, Mrinal Sen, Ritwik Ghatak are household names in Bengali cinema. The plays of Badal Sircar, the chorus group of Runa Guha Thakurta , the novels written by Jhumpa Lahiri, have a world wide acclaim when West Bengal is merely one province in India. Nor is the contribution of the West Bengali bhadralok comfined to the arts but have made generous contributions to science with the likes of S.C. Bose and others.

Bangladesh while acknowledging its common linguistic cultural heritage should look to the future and seize the cultural and intellectual dominance of the West Bengali minority bhadralok and produce their own Jhumpa Lahiris and S.C. Boses. This will complete Bangladesh's emergence not just as an economic power but also a cultural one similar to the way Japan is both.

ritwik ghatak ? badal sarkar ?
tai kaun hai bhai ? hindustani ?

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Dude no one thinks about Benglis in Pakistan, I never seen any Pakistani ever talk about Bangladesh or Benglai. Its always Pakistan that is the topic of discussion for Benglais

Ask anyone on this forum if they have ever heard anyone talk about Bangladesh over a cup of tea? Honestly Pakistan never thinks of Bangladesh as a threat just a nuisance now and then when your PM opens her stinky mouth.

Bangladesh never existed before 1971 which is pretty much Indian Occupied East Pakistan.

Bengal was an independent nation state inhabited by Bengalis going back centuries, the Economic and culture powerhouse of the region, read real history....



Besides, I have already said quite clearly, that we do not care about or have an issue with Pakistanis, let us deal with the numpties who throw veiled insults at us... It does not concern you.

 

[KaiserX]

Bengal was an independent nation state inhabited by Bengalis going back centuries, the Economic and culture powerhouse of the region, read real history....



Besides, I have already said quite clearly, that we do not care about or have an issue with Pakistanis, let us deal with the numpties who throw veiled insults at us... It does not concern you.

That doesnt mean anything. There were hundreds of independant kingdoms throughout the subcontinent. Your ancestors all came from the indus valley civilization or norther Pakistan anyways I can gaurantee you

The so called northerners always ruled Bengal, thats a fact from lahore to dhaka is a straight plain without any mountains or natural barriers, literally a straight shot.

You still have not been able to provide me 1 Bangladeshi forum were I am able to go and openly express my opinions without getting banned?

This is a open challenge for any Bangladeshi member on this forum to provide 1 forum where Pakistanis can openly express their opinin without being banned this will show ALL and CLOSE the arguement of who is truly racist and intolerant between the 2.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

That doesnt mean anything. There were hundreds of independant kingdoms throughout the subcontinent. Your ancestors all came from the indus valley civilization or norther Pakistan anyways I can gaurantee you

The so called northerners always ruled Bengal, thats a fact from lahore to dhaka is a straight plain without any mountains or natural barriers, literally a straight shot.

You still have not been able to provide me 1 Bangladeshi forum were I am able to go and openly express my opinions without getting banned?

There is much we cannot say on here (PDF) as well, lest we may find ourselves sent of a month long cooler.


As for northerners, go read up history of Bengal in detail, I cannot selectively spoon feed every user on here.



Bangladesh is built on a different on ideals as compared to India and Pakistan, that much is irrefutable.




Pakistan is an entity that came into existence in 47, pakistanis are neither a real people nor a real nation state. You are the consequence of the independence of India from the British, the cog that fits neither in South Asia nor Arabia.



Should India, the aggressor, the state that is the reason for Pakistans existence, cease to exist, great civil strife that has been swept under the carpet under the guise of unity to fight the common enemy, India, will all come to the fore.



Help your nation be ready for that day, instead of interjecting and backing a User on here who is intentionally trying to hurt our sentiments.




In the end, we have no issues with Pakistan, nor do you with us, Apart from the antagonistic jingoism induced tone that sometimes makes its way towards us from some rather questionable 'Pakistani' users on here.

 

[Neurath]

Dude no one thinks about Benglis in Pakistan, I never seen any Pakistani ever talk about Bangladesh or Benglai. Its always Pakistan that is the topic of discussion for Benglais

Ask anyone on this forum if they have ever heard anyone talk about Bangladesh over a cup of tea? Honestly Pakistan never thinks of Bangladesh as a threat just a nuisance now and then when your PM opens her stinky mouth. The fact that many many Bangladeshis are allowed to voice their opinion on this forum speaks volume in itself for the tolerance you have always been shown. Now show me which Bengladeshi forum id be allowed to make the same comments? just 1 and ill call a spade a spade

Bangladesh never existed before 1971 which is pretty much Indian Occupied East Pakistan.

Bengal was an independent nation state inhabited by Bengalis going back centuries, the Economic and culture powerhouse of the region, read real history....



Besides, I have already said quite clearly, that we do not care about or have an issue with Pakistanis, let us deal with the numpties who throw veiled insults at us... It does not concern you.

Chill it down boys, we're Muslims.. brotherhood is an important aspect of Islam.
Forget 1971, it is time to move on.
I am honestly surprised at how Pakistanis and Bengalis both reacted to this news, I was expecting to see analyses on what a new relationship would look like but instead there's hate towards each other.

Moreover, my personal opinion is China brought us both to the table, if India is surrounded on 3 fronts, life is made easier for China.

 

[KaiserX]

There is much we cannot say on here (PDF) as well, lest we may find ourselves sent of a month long cooler.


As for northerners, go read up history of Bengal in detail, I cannot selectively spoon feed every user on here.



Bangladesh is built on a different on ideals as compared to India and Pakistan, that much is irrefutable.




Pakistan is an entity that came into existence in 47, pakistanis are neither a real people nor a real nation state. You are the consequence of the independence of India from the British, the cog that fits neither in South Asia nor Arabia.

Bangladesh nor India are built on any special ideal. Both are ethnic nation states. There are dozens of ethnic nation states throughout the world.Pakistan and Israel are the only 2 built on the basis of ideology. Ideology will always trump ethnic politics. Look at the US.

You and your people have stated everything :

" Pakistan is an artificial temporary state"

So tell me with global warming and all in a decade if Karachi if flooded, we have a military of over 1+ million and vast networked of highway/railroad. We can relocated millions of people to vast amounts of land within a few years. If Dhaka is flooded where will everyone go?

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Bangladesh nor India are built on any special ideal. Both are ethnic nation states. There are dozens of ethnic nation states throughout the world.Pakistan and Israel are the only 2 built on the basis of ideology. Ideology will always trump ethnic politics. Look at the US.

You and your people have stated everything :

" Pakistan is an artificial temporary state"

So tell me with global warming and all in a decade if Karachi if flooded, we have a military of over 1+ million and vast networked of highway/railroad. We can relocated millions of people to vast amounts of land within a few years. If Dhaka is flooded where will everyone go?

Do not worry about where we will go, that is not beneficial to you in the least.



I have the right to respond to those who insult my country on here, If you do not like the notion that I be given a right to defend my nations honour, then report me.


The mods are on your side anyway, If you decide not to then you best leave us alone.

 

[KaiserX]

Do not worry about where we will go, that is not beneficial to you in the least.



I have the right to respond to those who insult my country on here, If you do not like the notion that I be given a right to defend my nations honour, then report me.


The mods are on your side anyway, If you decide not to then you best leave us alone.

I can gaurantee you in the next few decades Bangladesh will rely far more on Pakistan get back to me in 2040 and youll realize.

In the end Bengladeshis will realize Pakistan is the only country that can save them and thatll be the hypocritical part.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Chill it down boys, we're Muslims.. brotherhood is an important aspect of Islam.
Forget 1971, it is time to move on.
I am honestly surprised at how Pakistanis and Bengalis both reacted to this news, I was expecting to see analyses on what a new relationship would look like but instead there's hate towards each other.

Moreover, my personal opinion is China brought us both to the table, if India is surrounded on 3 fronts, life is made easier for China.

We are not seeking enmity with Pakistan but a certain user on here going under your flags is intent on offending us with intentionally incendiary comments.


It would be most welcome for Pakistanis with their head screwed on right to advice this user to end their campaign of spreading hate all over this section.

I can gaurantee you in the next few decades Bangladesh will rely far more on Pakistan get back to me in 2040 and youll realize.

In the end Bengladeshis will realize Pakistan is the only country that can save them and thatll be the hypocritical part.

Save us from who ? INDIA ? But but, we are already a colony of India.




Pakistan needs to save itself first before worrying about others, especially one so far removed as us,....

 

[KaiserX]

We are not seeking enmity with Pakistan but a certain user on here going under your flags is intent on offending us with intentionally incendiary comments.


It would be most welcome for Pakistanis with their head screwed on right to advice this user to end their campaign of spreading hate all over this section.







Save us from who ? INDIA ? But but, we are already a colony of India.




Pakistan needs to save itself first before worrying about others, especially one so far removed as us,....

Oh no Pakistan is not so far, we are right next to you guys just look underwater

 

[Neurath]

We are not seeking enmity with Pakistan but a certain user on here going under your flags is intent on offending us with intentionally incendiary comments.
It would be most welcome for Pakistanis with their head screwed on right to advice this user to end their campaign of spreading hate all over this section.

I get it but you are also responding with hate towards Pakistan by calling it an artificial state when it is well known that Pakistan is a state based on ideology, similar to Israel. Responding with hate only makes the situation worse, if someone's trolling then its better to ignore.

 

[DalalErMaNodi]

Oh no Pakistan is not so far, we are right next to you guys just look underwater

Will I find the the lost city of Atlantis there ? I mean Karachi ?

We are inching towards negative population growth, we have already solved the problems facing our nation, what we need is time and only the Almighty can help us with that.



So do not fret, we have tackled the climate change threat as best we could, the rest remains to be seen.