haseena and imran khan

[Neptune_]

I 100% agree.
But about a month ago, I told neptue that I was sympathetic to Bengali people and that there was no need for the animosity, and he basically sh!t on my face.
Since then I don't really care for them and their swampland, they take kindness as weakness and we need to show them that the British conquer them first and us last for a reason.

Pakistan is totally irrelevant to us. It is a failed state with a broken economy and no future. Hence, present Pakistan bears no significance to us.

Only time we care to talk about Pakistan is when its diplomats are caught doing illegal business on BD or when its expat citizens try to recruit terrorists from the rohinga refugees.

Otherwise we have no business with Pakistan what so ever. We have good relation with two of the biggest future economies in the world ie India and China. All the other Arab countries have extremely good relation with us.

We neither need animosity, nor friendship with Pakistan. Pak is totally irrelevant to us.

The traitors attacked a muslim state in league with pagans, no muslim would do that

Thus they had to be punished

Our forces went through millions of bengalis before they were shagged out and out of ammo

It was only the right thing to do to extract them

As I said, give me an automatic rifle and I will slaughter thousands of unarmed civilians in couple of hours.

Pak army was coward. They killed innocent men, women and children. But when they had to fight with the real wartiors, aka our mukti bahini they were no match and made a shambolic surrender.

U remember the man that raped and killed a Pakistani child( forgot her name) just couple of months back, right? I m sure that bastered who preyed on that unarmed, week kid thought himself as someone who's overly powerful when he sodomised that poor children.

Same thing is applied here as well. Pak army killed innocent women and children who didn't have the means to protect them.

But when the real war started 93000 of those cowards made a shambolic surrender and begged for marcy infront of the mukti bahini soldiers who knew how to fight. Do u know what sort of work those captured shameless Pakistani soldiers had to do as prisoners?

But still they should cinstder themselves lucky. We r a forgivable nation. Otherwise those coward 93k would have been hanged right after the war.

 

[Rusty]

Pakistan is totally irrelevant to us. It is a failed state with a broken economy and no future. Hence, present Pakistan bears no significance to us.

Only time we care to talk about Pakistan is when its diplomats are caught doing illegal business on BD or when its expat citizens try to recruit terrorists from the rohinga refugees.

Otherwise we have no business with Pakistan what so ever. We have good relation with two of the biggest future economies in the world ie India and China. All the other Arab countries have extremely good relation with us.

We neither need animosity, nor friendship with Pakistan. Pak is totally irrelevant to us.

@RIWWIR @Avicenna

 

[hussain0216]

Same thing is applied here as well. Pak army killed innocent women and children who didn't have the means to protect them.

They werent innocent they were bengali traitors who allied with pagans to attack a muslim state

We had to teach them a lesson

Even after killing and poleaxing millions we still got our soldiers back go figure

 

[SIPRA]

@RIWWIR @Avicenna

I have not stopped you to respond, wherever you feel like. My only request was that the response should be in somewhat controlled language and the religion, which is a highly sacred and revered thing, shall not be brought in the political and/or social discussions.

Though, I personally don't respond to such posts; since, in my view, it is utterly useless and futile. People have their own preset frames of mind and prejudices and they have a right to hold their opinions, as they deem fit.

 

[Neptune_]

They werent innocent they were bengali traitors who allied with pagans to attack a muslim state

We had to teach them a lesson

Even after killing and poleaxing millions we still got our soldiers back go figure

Whether someone is innocent or not depends on who is actually viewing them.

As I said previously, when that creep saw that Pakistani kid alone on the street he thought it was perfectly justifiable to kidnap and spdomise her. At least this is how most criminals see their victims. If that kid wasn't alone or if she was with her parents that bastered wouldn't have dared to do things what he did to her.

Same thing with Pak army. They killed innocent, unarmed men, women and children cuz just like that Pak kid who got sodomised and later murdered by that creep, these Bengali civilians were weak and unprotected. Coward Pak army took advantage of their situation and killed them mercilessly cuz they didn't have the means to protect them.

As I said, Pak army is good at killing unarmed, unprotected civilians. But these same Pak army personnel made a shambolic surrender when they were made to fight against real warriors aka mukti bahini.

Not 1, not 2, but 93000 of those cowards threw away their weapons, dropped down their pants and begged for mercy infront of the coalition force.

There's video just on the previous page showcasing their shambolic surrendering ceremony, enjoy it to ur herats content.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

In my view, this political divide had much to do with the geographical, and consequent cultural distance, or lack of proximity and contiguity, between the two parts.

Geographic and cultural distance and two excuse Pakistanis like to give to absolve any wrong doing on it's part. If geographic distance or cultural distance was the valid reason, then no geographically fragmented state should have survived in the world or culturally diverse country. But there are many geographically fragmented states and culturally diverse states are thriving in the world shows the hollowness of this theory. One do not need to go farther, how much cultural similarity exist between Indian Bengali and Indian Gujarati? Or between Indian Punjabi and Tamil? Why they are living in a same state without any problem? Or look at Indonesia, geographically fragmented not in two pieces but thousands of pieces. Two big island of Sumatra and Papua are more than 3000 km apart with immense diversity in culture, religion exists within it's huge archipelago. India and Indonesia should not have national cohesion if those two excuse were valid. But this is not the case. Malaysia is a country geographically divided between East Malaysia and West Malaysia like old Pakistan with not only different culture but also different dominant religion. How they are thriving?

Original Pakistan as a state failed not because geographic or cultural distance made it inevitable. Common people and leaders from both wings fought for that state with full knowledge about this 2 features of the state at the biginning. So that means they did not bothered about that, and this non-botherness could have prolonged or even permanently settled if there was wisdom and pragmatism on part of west Pakistani ruling elites. The main reason why that union proved unworkable because West Pakistani populace at large did not accepted Bengalis as an equal partner or equal citizen of the state. They wanted Bengalis to act as a 2nd fiddle in the country where they will rule and dictate and maintain the dominant position. They had believe about themselves being 'martial race', 'ruler race' etc and thought Bengalis are only good for being dominated and subjugated. West Pakistani ruling elite could not stomach the Bengali majority in the state. That's why they always engaged in palace conspiracy to thwart any democratic system which would give Bengalis due representation. This inability to accept Bengalis as an equal partner which also thwarted any attempt to write any fair, workable constitution.

In my opinion, in March 1971, when the negotiation, between Sheikh Mujib ur Raman and ZAB, broke down and they totally failed to arrive at a consensus on the future constitutional framework for Pakistan; there should not have been a consequent military action; but Bangladesh should have been formed by amicable settlement between all concerned; as Pakistan was established in 1947. But, General Yahya, and his coterie, could not gather the necessary courage and resolve to implement, what was the need of the time. Pakistan, as a state, and the people of Bengal, then paid the heavy price of this mistake, or whatever one likes to call it.

Even in the last days, West Pakistani ruling junta thought, Bengali need a 'Danda'. Why negotiate with these Bengalis or give concession to them? This plan of teaching Bengalis a lesson by danda was conceived even before the election result was known. With such attitude how can you expect any talk to succeed ?

 

[hussain0216]

Whether someone is innocent or not depends on who is actually viewing them.

As I said previously, when that creep saw that Pakistani kid alone on the street he thought it was perfectly justifiable to kidnap and spdomise her. At least this is how most criminals see their victims. If that kid wasn't alone or if she was with her parents that bastered wouldn't have dared to do things what he did to her.

Same thing with Pak army. They killed innocent, unarmed men, women and children cuz just like that Pak kid who got sodomised and later murdered by that creep, these Bengali civilians were weak and unprotected. Coward Pak army took advantage of their situation and killed them mercilessly cuz they didn't have the means to protect them.

As I said, Pak army is good at killing unarmed, unprotected civilians. But these same Pak army personnel made a shambolic surrender when they were made to fight against real warriors aka mukti bahini.

Not 1, not 2, but 93000 of those cowards threw away their weapons, dropped down their pants and begged for mercy infront of the coalition force.

There's video just on the previous page showcasing their shambolic surrendering ceremony, enjoy it to ur herats content.

But they weren't innocent

They were pretend muslims who attacked a muslim state in alliance with idol worshippers

You must understand we had to bull whip them as punishment for their crimes

We had limited forces in the east and no way to supply them, those limited numbers did incredibly well to kill and screw the numbers they did
It was a superhuman effort I think you would agree

Once we were unable to resupply them we bought them home, frankly they simply walked away after really doing the bengali completely over

 

[Rusty]

Geographic and cultural distance and two excuse Pakistanis like to give to absolve any wrong doing on it's part. If geographic distance or cultural distance was the valid reason, then no geographically fragmented state should have survived in the world or culturally diverse country. But there are many geographically fragmented states and culturally diverse states are thriving in the world shows the hollowness of this theory. One do not need to go farther, how much cultural similarity exist between Indian Bengali and Indian Gujarati? Or between Indian Punjabi and Tamil? Why they are living in a same state without any problem? Or look at Indonesia, geographically fragmented not in two pieces but thousands of pieces. Two big island of Sumatra and Papua are more than 3000 km apart with immense diversity in culture, religion exists within it's huge archipelago. India and Indonesia should not have national cohesion if those two excuse were valid. But this is not the case. Malaysia is a country geographically divided between East Malaysia and West Malaysia like old Pakistan with not only different culture but also different dominant religion. How they are thriving?

Original Pakistan as a state failed not because geographic or cultural distance made it inevitable. Common people and leaders from both wings fought for that state with full knowledge about this 2 features of the state at the biginning. So that means they did not bothered about that, and this non-botherness could have prolonged or even permanently settled if there was wisdom and pragmatism on part of west Pakistani ruling elites. The main reason why that union proved unworkable because West Pakistani populace at large did not accepted Bengalis as an equal partner or equal citizen of the state. They wanted Bengalis to act as a 2nd fiddle in the country where they will rule and dictate and maintain the dominant position. They had believe about themselves being 'martial race', 'ruler race' etc and thought Bengalis are only good for being dominated and subjugated. West Pakistani ruling elite could not stomach the Bengali majority in the state. That's why they always engaged in palace conspiracy to thwart any democratic system which would give Bengalis due representation. This inability to accept Bengalis as an equal partner which also thwarted any attempt to write any fair, workable constitution.

Even in the last days, West Pakistani ruling junta thought, Bengali need a 'Danda'. Why negotiate with them or give concession? This plan of teaching Bengalis a lesson by danda was conceived even before the election result was known. With such attitude how can you expect any talk to succeed ?

Most of what you said is nonsense.
Name 1 nation that has 2 geographic parts that are separated by 1000km of a major enemy?
Even your definition of fragmentation is wrong.

Culturally we are 100% different, you people are Hindus and we are Muslims.
I mean look at what you people did once you got Bangladesh, you ignored all Islamic normalcy and legalized prostitution and started hanging Muslim clerics.


Original Pakistan failed because all the races in west Pakistan were able to put their pride aside and agree to Muslim identity that was not dominated by one group. Bengalis did not have a Muslim identity and instead wanted to impose their Hindu derived culture and language on us.

This was inevitable, we are too different and have different priorities.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

Most of what you said is nonsense.
Name 1 nation that has 2 geographic parts that are separated by 1000km of a major enemy?
Even your definition of fragmentation is wrong.

Culturally we are 100% different, you people are Hindus and we are Muslims.
I mean look at what you people did once you got Bangladesh, you ignored all Islamic normalcy and legalized prostitution and started hanging Muslim clerics.


Original Pakistan failed because all the races in west Pakistan were able to put their pride aside and agree to Muslim identity that was not dominated by one group. Bengalis did not have a Muslim identity and instead wanted to impose their Hindu derived culture and language on us.

This was inevitable, we are too different and have different priorities.

Your this post is an evidence why that did not work.

And for geographic part, India did not tell your ruling elite to discriminate against Bengalis for 24 years, India did not ask you to launch a savage attack in the middle of night. Did not tell you to show arrogance, contempt and bellicose attitude towards Bengali. Did not force you to reject any fair, workable constitution. These arrogance was entirely your own making and that's why Allah taught you a very good lesson in 1971. But it seems those arrogance is not entirely gone. Perhaps Allah will use India again to smash your arrogance once and for all. Indira Gandhi wanted that in 1971. But your master America saved you in that day.

 

[VikingRaider]

Bengalis only became "Muslim" about 100-150 years ago.

Atleast do some homework before posting . This region was actually Buddhist majority ( contrary to your propaganda of Bengali Muslims are hindu/hindu minded) , and mass conversion started from 13th century.

 

[SIPRA]

Geographic and cultural distance and two excuse Pakistanis like to give to absolve any wrong doing on it's part. If geographic distance or cultural distance was the valid reason, then no geographically fragmented state should have survived in the world or culturally diverse country. But there are many geographically fragmented states and culturally diverse states are thriving in the world shows the hollowness of this theory. One do not need to go farther, how much cultural similarity exist between Indian Bengali and Indian Gujarati? Or between Indian Punjabi and Tamil? Why they are living in a same state without any problem? Or look at Indonesia, geographically fragmented not in two pieces but thousands of pieces. Two big island of Sumatra and Papua are more than 3000 km apart with immense diversity in culture, religion exists within it's huge archipelago. India and Indonesia should not have national cohesion if those two excuse were valid. But this is not the case. Malaysia is a country geographically divided between East Malaysia and West Malaysia like old Pakistan with not only different culture but also different dominant religion. How they are thriving?

Original Pakistan as a state failed not because geographic or cultural distance made it inevitable. Common people and leaders from both wings fought for that state with full knowledge about this 2 features of the state at the biginning. So that means they did not bothered about that, and this non-botherness could have prolonged or even permanently settled if there was wisdom and pragmatism on part of west Pakistani ruling elites. The main reason why that union proved unworkable because West Pakistani populace at large did not accepted Bengalis as an equal partner or equal citizen of the state. They wanted Bengalis to act as a 2nd fiddle in the country where they will rule and dictate and maintain the dominant position. They had believe about themselves being 'martial race', 'ruler race' etc and thought Bengalis are only good for being dominated and subjugated. West Pakistani ruling elite could not stomach the Bengali majority in the state. That's why they always engaged in palace conspiracy to thwart any democratic system which would give Bengalis due representation. This inability to accept Bengalis as an equal partner which also thwarted any attempt to write any fair, workable constitution.

Even in the last days, West Pakistani ruling junta thought, Bengali need a 'Danda'. Why negotiate with them or give concession? This plan of teaching Bengalis a lesson by danda was conceived even before the election result was known. With such attitude how can you expect any talk to succeed ?

I have read your this post, which you have given in response to my earlier post. It is obvious that you don't agree with me and, of course, I don't agree to the most of the contents of your post; though some of them are valid. So, let us agree to disagree. I, in any case, refrain from going into extensive cross argument on this PDF. I just expressed, summarily, what I think is the background of 1971 debacle and you have all the right to disagree with it. Cheers.

 

[VikingRaider]

You well almost never find me or any of the Pakistani PDFers start talking crap about Bangladesh.
However, the opposite is not true.
Bengalis come here, spew crap against Pakistan then cry when we retaliate.

This thread is even not started by a Bangladeshi. And Bangladeshis even didn't join until your compatriot Pakistani brethern started spewing poison against our father of nation.
If you are Muslim, be honest.

 

[Homo Sapiens]

This thread is even not started by a Bangladeshi. And Bangladeshis even didn't join until your compatriot Pakistani brethern started spewing poison against our father of nation.
If you are Muslim, be honest.

I did not posted anything here until 137th post. There is almost no participation of Bangladeshi posters here in first few pages.

 

[VikingRaider]

I did not posted anything here until 137th post. There is almost no participation of Bangladeshi posters here in first few pages.

Yes that's true. Here pakistani posters have some dirty and cheap method, start poisoning thread by some selective bad mannered posters. And then when we start response and then self claimed moderate posters ( স্বঘোষিত মধ্যপন্থী) come to aid the the ill mannered posters and start shouting that they don't come until Bangladeshis abuse Pakistan.

It's their dirty cheap trick. Their feudal lord ( although no body give their mentality a slightest fu.ck still their attitude is like, গাঁয়ে মানে না আপনি মোড়ল। ) mentality will never be changed I am convinced now.

They are the pure bully of this subsection who always play damn victim role.

 

[Imran Khan]

good going