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So you want me to educate you. Lets see now.... I suggest you take a look at the map again. Two of three Baltic States who NATO members have a total border with Russia of 508 km. Lithuania has no border with Russia. Total length of border between Russia and Ukraine is 2295 km.
Please do some real research before posting remarks. It's not the way to have a proper discussion on the subject.
So you want me to educate you. Lets see now.
Ukraine's land and sea border with Russia stretches to 2,295 km like you said. That makes up 3.97% of total Russian border of 57,792 km.
Is that border a threat? I mean, can the combined might of NATO forces actually encircle and contain Russia?
But.. but..India should replace every possible Russian systems in Su30MKI before it gets too late... or buy more western jets along with Tejas for SEAD and air dominance roles... Su30MKI can be used for air to ground missions once air defenses are out.
You keep going on about this gibberish nonsense that if Ukraine joins NATO then NATO will have a border with Russia, therefore, this justifies Russian invasion of Ukraine.... NATO in Ukraine will mean Western arsenal right at the doorstep of Russia. This also means NATO missiles will travel a shorter distance to their targets in Russia. Shorter distance translates into little to no time for Russia to respond to incoming NATO missiles. ...
My humble view, It does not matter. As an example, the Su-30MKI is a hodge-podge of updates which are already dated. There is a pretty significant camp in the IAF that has had its eyes opened up by the level of integration of capabilities in the Rafale from the get go. This is what PAF has been accustomed to with the F-16s. The aircraft and its subsystems including MLU were tested by the manufacturer over thousands of hours to remove the kinks (thus the benefit of block based approach). In the case of IAF's MKIs, it is the IAF that has been doing all of its own integration testing. There are no blocks on offer so the user has to do own feasibility studies, pick and choose what they want integrated etc., then do the integration work (think delays, serviceability challenges etc. etc.)You are also forgetting high number of Israeli and Western equipments in our Russian Jets
Its not about "sheer disparity in number of jets", it is about sortie generation. A smaller fleet with higher maintenance rates and a good pilot to cockpit ratio can address this issue fairly well.Since Turkey shot down the Russian plane on its border, and Russia just took it without retaliating , I have had my doubts about Russian technology.
But in a India Pakistan context , with radar gaps and limited resources on both sides, the sheer disparity in number of jets , could be decisive.
Though I don't see a resurgent China sitting quietly in a indopak major conflict. It will rearm Pakistan and give it logistical and surveillance support.
Lots of countries doing well on our rivalry.
You keep going on about this gibberish nonsense that if Ukraine joins NATO then NATO will have a border with Russia, therefore, this justifies Russian invasion of Ukraine.
I've already told you that 5 NATO countries already have a border with Russia. Which part of that you dont understand?
5 NATO countries that have a border with Russia:
Somehow, if Ukraine joins NATO it is automatically a missile threat to Russia but if Russia occupies Ukraine (annexes part of it), deploys its missiles in Ukraine, it's not a threat to any NATO country.
- Norway
- Estonia
- Latvia
- Lithuania
- Poland
What kind of a logic is that you're preaching?
the points I disagree with are that Ukraine is worse off than India in logistics and engg support. I bet their Soviet trained engineers can provide better support, though spares might be a issue .My humble view, It does not matter. As an example, the Su-30MKI is a hodge-podge of updates which are already dated. There is a pretty significant camp in the IAF that has had its eyes opened up by the level of integration of capabilities in the Rafale from the get go. This is what PAF has been accustomed to with the F-16s. The aircraft and its subsystems including MLU were tested by the manufacturer over thousands of hours to remove the kinks (thus the benefit of block based approach). In the case of IAF's MKIs, it is the IAF that has been doing all of its own integration testing. There are no blocks on offer so the user has to do own feasibility studies, pick and choose what they want integrated etc., then do the integration work (think delays, serviceability challenges etc. etc.)
Add to this the extremely expensive upkeep of the aircraft in question, requiring many more spares (as per a former IAF officer, the 272 aircraft fleet has required IAF to purchase 900 engines for sparing!) and you have low serviceability rates. Yes, for a surge the IAF can probably get higher availability of aircraft but this cannot be sustained.
The MKI is a nice aircraft but times have changed. It will maintain its relevance as an aircraft that can carry a lot of ordnance, but at a significant cost.
Its not about "sheer disparity in number of jets", it is about sortie generation. A smaller fleet with higher maintenance rates and a good pilot to cockpit ratio can address this issue fairly well.
Overall I agree that Russia-Ukraine example does not apply to Pak-India. Both have well trained air forces with good logistics/engineering support so the going will be tough on both sides.
Plz mention a time when russian ac have out performed their western counterparts on a regular basis...
Through out history they as a whole have always came out second best.
really? Ukraine has no more airforce unfortunately. Russia is domonating.The Russian airforce has a huge numerical advantage over the Ukrainians, however they have yet to establish air superiority over Ukraine and their airforce is notably under utilised in the conflict so far. A few reasons are discussed here.
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The Mysterious Case of the Missing Russian Air Force
On the fifth day of the Russian invasion of Ukraine, one of many unanswered questions is why Russia has launched a military campaign at huge cost with maximalist objectives, and then declined to use the vast majority of its fixed wing combat aircraft.rusi.org
Other people have also mentioned their lack of spare parts.
Do you think this will be taken into account by PAF wrt it's views on the capability of IAF?