Has China Won?

[vi-va]

Has China Won?

it's like ideological certainty, that when a thriving democracy takes on a geopolitical struggle against a communist party system, the thriving democracy will always win, as it demonstrated in the first world war against the Soviet Union.

But then if you dig deeper and you try to understand what is the core situation of American society today and the core situation of Chinese society, you discover that the United States is actually having to deal with some major structural challenges.

And one of the key structural challenges is that the average income of the bottom 50%, yes 50% of the American population has been sliding down over a 30 year period.

And as I try to analyze in the book, this is not just an accident. This is a result of deep structural forces in American society that have moved America away from being a thriving democracy towards becoming a plutocracy.

And by contrast, China in the 30 year period where the average income of the bottom 50% in America has been sliding down, in the same 30 year period, the bottom 50% in China have had their best 30 years in 3,000 years.

So at a time when the Chinese people are experiencing the most amazing improvements in their standard of living, you must remember also for most of Chinese history, the bottom 50% struggled to survive. They would die in famines and civil wars and they had a very rough life.

And the last 30 years, they have access to education, housing, health care, travel, in a way they never ever had before in their lives. So after China has gone through the best 30 year period ever under the Chinese communist party, the United States is telling the Chinese people why don't you get rid of the Chinese communist party? And the Chinese people are scratching their head and saying, excuse me, I've had the best 30 years.

And the Chinese communist party is succeeding because while in theory it is still a communist party, it is a communist party that is the exact opposite of the Soviet communist party.

Because the Soviet community party was run by all (Oligarchy??). The Chinese communist party may possibly be the most meritocratic political party in the world. And the selection process results in the best minds running China today. You met some of them - And experienced. - You know Wang Qishan. You know how brilliant these people are.

So by going into this whole ideological reflex and saying, hey, democracies can always overcome communist parties, the United States hasn't done a deeper analysis and realized that this is not a contest within a democracy and a communist party system, it's a contest within a plutocracy and a meritocracy.

 

[zectech]

This idea has been growing and growing in the back of my mind. And I have been ignoring the idea for a very long long time.

At a certain point, Chinese trade in dollars is going to be extremely devastating to the Chinese economy, maybe even permanently.

When bitcoin get to 1M USD per bitcoin, things are going to get more dire for China. Those bitcoins can begin to buy the whole stock exchanges of China and every company within, thus gutting the Chinese economy.

If bitcoin becomes the world currency and bitcoin reaches 100M USD per bitcoin. The rest of the world is impoverished and made serfs over night and bitcoin holders be the mega wealthy... IF you accept any currency convertible into bitcoin and vice-versa.

China can only trade with countries banning not only trade in bitcoins, China has to ban trade with anybody in a trade system with a single country accepting bitcoin. So what the USA does to Iran in saying nobody can trade with Iran. China would have to say nobody in the world can trade in bitcoin, accept bitcoins, and convert from bitcoins.

It is a ponzi scheme more dangerous than any other ponzi scheme in the history of the world. And it only takes one country to have bitcoin convertible to to their currency... to loot China of thousands of trillions of yuan in wealth.

Why do you think I say, stock up now on any resources, stack up for 100 years of raw materials, that China does not have in the ground.

If you accept dollars, China trades in bitcoins. If you accept rubles, that accept to be converted into dollars, China trades in bitcoins.

 

[dbc]

yes congratulations

 

[vi-va]

This idea has been growing and growing in the back of my mind. And I have been ignoring the idea for a very long long time.

At a certain point, Chinese trade in dollars is going to be extremely devastating to the Chinese economy, maybe even permanently.

When bitcoin get to 1M USD per bitcoin, things are going to get more dire for China. Those bitcoins can begin to buy the whole stock exchanges of China and every company within, thus gutting the Chinese economy.

If bitcoin becomes the world currency and bitcoin reaches 100M USD per bitcoin. The rest of the world is impoverished and made serfs over night and bitcoin holders be the mega wealthy... IF you accept any currency convertible into bitcoin and vice-versa.

China can only trade with countries banning not only trade in bitcoins, China has to ban trade with anybody in a trade system with a single country accepting bitcoin. So what the USA does to Iran in saying nobody can trade with Iran. China would have to say nobody in the world can trade in bitcoin, accept bitcoins, and convert from bitcoins.

It is a ponzi scheme more dangerous than any other ponzi scheme in the history of the world. And it only takes one country to have bitcoin convertible to to their currency... to loot China of thousands of trillions of yuan in wealth.

Why do you think I say, stock up now on any resources, stack up for 100 years of raw materials, that China does not have in the ground.

If you accept dollars, China trades in bitcoins. If you accept rubles, that accept to be converted into dollars, China trades in bitcoins.

China banned bitcoin long time ago. Bitcoin is a scam.

 

[tower9]

Yes. The US and the world will only realize this as events gradually reveal themselves in the next 5 years.

 

[TigerOfMysore]

Has China Won?

it's like ideological certainty, that when a thriving democracy takes on a geopolitical struggle against a communist party system, the thriving democracy will always win, as it demonstrated in the first world war against the Soviet Union.

But then if you dig deeper and you try to understand what is the core situation of American society today and the core situation of Chinese society, you discover that the United States is actually having to deal with some major structural challenges.

And one of the key structural challenges is that the average income of the bottom 50%, yes 50% of the American population has been sliding down over a 30 year period.

And as I try to analyze in the book, this is not just an accident. This is a result of deep structural forces in American society that have moved America away from being a thriving democracy towards becoming a plutocracy.

And by contrast, China in the 30 year period where the average income of the bottom 50% in America has been sliding down, in the same 30 year period, the bottom 50% in China have had their best 30 years in 3,000 years.

So at a time when the Chinese people are experiencing the most amazing improvements in their standard of living, you must remember also for most of Chinese history, the bottom 50% struggled to survive. They would die in famines and civil wars and they had a very rough life.

And the last 30 years, they have access to education, housing, health care, travel, in a way they never ever had before in their lives. So after China has gone through the best 30 year period ever under the Chinese communist party, the United States is telling the Chinese people why don't you get rid of the Chinese communist party? And the Chinese people are scratching their head and saying, excuse me, I've had the best 30 years.

And the Chinese communist party is succeeding because while in theory it is still a communist party, it is a communist party that is the exact opposite of the Soviet communist party.

Because the Soviet community party was run by all (Oligarchy??). The Chinese communist party may possibly be the most meritocratic political party in the world. And the selection process results in the best minds running China today. You met some of them - And experienced. - You know Wang Qishan. You know how brilliant these people are.

So by going into this whole ideological reflex and saying, hey, democracies can always overcome communist parties, the United States hasn't done a deeper analysis and realized that this is not a contest within a democracy and a communist party system, it's a contest within a plutocracy and a meritocracy.

This guy is one of my favorite geo-political thinkers. I have been following him for years.

 

[fallstuff]

Yes. The US and the world will only realize this as events gradually reveal themselves in the next 5 years.

I doubt it. Folks in power in the Western countries are not going to go quietly into the night. The silk road will face substantial obstacles from the West in the coming years.

 

[tower9]

I doubt it. Folks in power in the Western countries are not going to go quietly into the night. The silk road will face substantial obstacles from the West in the coming years.

Who said they are going quietly? They've been screaming at the top of their lungs for at least the last 5 years about China.

It won't make a difference. Americans fundamentally do not understand China and do not understand the actual power balance between the two countries.

 

[vi-va]

Who said they are going quietly? They've been screaming at the top of their lungs for at least the last 5 years about China.

It won't make a difference. Americans fundamentally do not understand China and do not understand the actual power balance between the two countries.

US is arrogant, and ignorant which is very good for China. Let's US keep being stupid.

 

[tower9]

US is arrogant, and ignorant which is very good for China. Let's US keep being stupid.

Americans are literally living in the Late Qing dynasty.

 

[vi-va]

Americans are literally living in the Late Qing dynasty.

Kind of. with stupid ideology, outdated political system, divided internally.
But but but, US is still strong militarily, and quite innovative compare with other great powers.

US won't collapse over one night, it will struggle, fight against potential rival and challengers, until overstretched and exhausted.

India is a good prey of US, plenty flesh, or EU, or Japan. US can eat those corpse first to fuel the empire for a period of more time.

 

[fallstuff]

Who said they are going quietly? They've been screaming at the top of their lungs for at least the last 5 years about China.

It won't make a difference. Americans fundamentally do not understand China and do not understand the actual power balance between the two countries.

There is a reason why Western Europeans are making issue about Uyghur cause Silk road goes through Xinjiang. The intend is to create a situation to use as leverage in future. Central Asian countries and Eastern European countries can't absorb all Chinese exports so China still needs Western European markets for the foreseeable future. The silk road exports current destinations are all in Western Europe.

I agree Chinas domestic market and future potential increase of the domestic market is enough to keep Chinas growth rate relatively high.

This China vs West issue will keep getting worse in the future.

 

[tower9]

There is a reason why Western Europeans are making issue about Uyghur cause Silk road goes through Xinjiang. The intend is to create a situation to use as leverage in future. Central Asian countries and Eastern European countries can't absorb all Chinese exports so China still needs Western European markets for the foreseeable future. The silk road exports current destinations are all in Western Europe.

I agree Chinas domestic market and future potential increase of the domestic market is enough to keep Chinas growth rate relatively high.

This China vs West issue will keep getting worse in the future.

I completely understand why the US is pushing the Uighur propaganda.

But my point still stands. Americans fundamentally do not understand China nor the actual power balance between the two countries. Americans also over inflate their own strength when there are many fundamental aspects of American politics and society that will contribute to accelerated decline in the near future.

Kind of. with stupid ideology, outdated political system, divided internally.
But but but, US is still strong militarily, and quite innovative compare with other great powers.

US won't collapse over one night, it will struggle, fight against potential rival and challengers, until overstretched and exhausted.

India is a good prey of US, plenty flesh, or EU, or Japan. US can eat those corpse first to fuel the empire for a period of more time.

I agree. But I see no scenario in which the US will be more powerful than China twenty years from now.

 

[fallstuff]

Kind of. with stupid ideology, outdated political system, divided internally.
But but but, US is still strong militarily, and quite innovative compare with other great powers.

US won't collapse over one night, it will struggle, fight against potential rival and challengers, until overstretched and exhausted.

India is a good prey of US, plenty flesh, or EU, or Japan. US can eat those corpse first to fuel the empire for a period of more time.

As much as I do not like certain aspects of Democracy here in the US, I also do not want a political system where someone like Mao can cause massive deaths and destruction unabated for decades.

 

[tower9]

As much as I do not like certain aspects of Democracy here in the US, I also do not want a political system where someone like Mao can cause massive deaths and destruction unabated for decades.

That will not be repeated in China again. The fact that Americans think this is a possibility just shows how completely ignorant they are about how much Chinese society and politics have changed.

China will continue to be authoritarian but it's bureaucracy is also simultaneously becoming much more meritocratic, efficient and competent. All trends point to this becoming even more so.