Harvard professor among three charged with lying about Chinese government ties

[Kai Liu]

They paid you for research and you don't pay them?? Ha!!! Tell that to my college.

Here are what they charge for a Research Student in my uni

https://www.mq.edu.au/study/admissi...earch-training-contribution-bands-and-amounts

https://www.mq.edu.au/research/phd-and-research-degrees/fees-and-costs

For my program that's 2 years. Which is A$11,155 a year, unless you are a commonwealth funded student, you are liable to pay both years of fees. For a PhD, you are liable for 3 years full time course study, so you would need to pay 3 full years. The same things applies, unless you are a commonwealth place student, you are require to pay in full.

I have checked some US degree before, they charge from $20,000 to $30,000 (UCLA)

This is how much MIT charged for their research and PhD student

https://registrar.mit.edu/registration-academics/tuition-fees/graduate

This is how much UCLA charged for research student

https://grad.ucla.edu/gss/library/remissionsgsr.pdf

Not to mention if you want to get a place in research project, you most likely required a coursework degree form the same college before you can applies.

And no, it works the same in the US (US School fee are also listed), our school have a bridging scheme in some US college (Stanford, USC and some other school) so we can exchange and work in the US given if we have the visa and appropriate document , and unless you are a graduated researcher, your pay is shit, by graduated researcher I meant you just graduate from a PhD. If you are still getting your degree, you get half the pay than a graduate researcher. In Oz, it's around 40k a year and in the US, MIT RA/TA gets around 35k a year. You probably just enough to cover the living expenses.

As I said, you don't really know much on Post Graduate System in the US or anywhere in the world.



I wish, my professor is a hot blonde in her 30s. I would totally do her if I have a chance.

You really have no idea about how universities in the US work... lol... Waste my time...
Majority of PhD students in the US get tuition paid+stipend (around 2000 USD per month) out of their professor's government research funds. I don't know much about post graduate system in the US??? LMAO... You can ask anyone here in this forum, I believe plenty of people here have obtained their degrees in the US...Your B.S. here only shows you know nothing about how US universities work...

And about your professor, no, you have no chance because they like people who have big balls which you have got none...LMAO...

 

[KungFuLee]

You really have no idea about how universities in the US work... lol... Waste my time...
Majority of PhD students in the US get tuition paid+stipend (around 2000 USD per month) out of their professor's government research funds. I don't know much about post graduate system in the US??? LMAO... You can ask anyone here in this forum, I believe plenty of people here have obtained their degrees in the US...Your B.S. here only shows you know nothing about how US universities work...

And about your professor, no, you have no chance because they like people who have big balls which you have got none...LMAO...

Yes you are right, "majority" of people. Yes, you should talk to MIT or UCLA to have them taken out the fee schedule if "Majority" of the PhD student get US paid "Stipend + Tuition". What is the point to list them when "Majority" of them are not going to be charge anyway.

And yes, government fund is so fun that it cover everything and you get paid to just sit there and do nothing.

Happy? Well, if you believe that, who am I to say otherwise?

Please do not waste my time again.

And you obviously watch too much ****, I suggest you lay it off for a while.

 

[R Wing]

However, all those Chinese students/scholars are not vn refugee like you who have ZERO contribution to the US technology...
Check this guy's group picture or you can go to any professor's group websites to see who are the real brain power for those scientific achievements:

In case you illiterate vn refugee don't know who is this guy, google 'John B. Goodenough'...
Random professor group websites:
https://chemistry.harvard.edu/people/labs/lieber-group?page=1

Is Gambit a VN refugee? More loyal than the king!

 

[Kai Liu]

Yes you are right, "majority" of people. Yes, you should talk to MIT or UCLA to have them taken out the fee schedule if "Majority" of the PhD student get US paid "Stipend + Tuition". What is the point to list them when "Majority" of them are not going to be charge anyway.

And yes, government fund is so fun that it cover everything and you get paid to just sit there and do nothing.

Happy? Well, if you believe that, who am I to say otherwise?

Please do not waste my time again.

And you obviously watch too much ****, I suggest you lay it off for a while.

Saying 'majority' probably is not enough to describe the case for PHDs (science and engineering students to be exact), I should say 'nearly all of them' instead to be more accurate. You know nothing about American universities. Fee structures are listed because there are people pay tuition, but vast majority of them do not, the professors do.
Get paid and sit there doing nothing?? Who said that? Doing research work = doing nothing???

 

[KungFuLee]

Saying 'majority' probably is not enough to describe the case for PHDs (science and engineering students to be exact), I should say 'nearly all of them' instead to be more accurate. You know nothing about American universities. Fee structures are listed because there are people pay tuition, but vast majority of them do not, the professors do.
Get paid and sit there doing nothing?? Who said that? Doing research work = doing nothing???

Yes, you are right. How do I argue with someone who are right because they said so? They don't need no reference, they don't need no data to support their point?

Then I guess 38% is actually called "Majority" because that is what MIT report in their fact sheet in their 2018/2019 academic year that they can support thought their resident system. And even only offer 51% of Doctorial Student RA.

https://web.mit.edu/facts/tuition.html

But yes, you are right, Majority of PhD Student have full ride all the way. What did MIT knows?

 

[Kai Liu]

Yes, you are right. How do I argue with someone who are right because they said so? They don't need no reference, they don't need no data to support their point?

Then I guess 38% is actually called "Majority" because that is what MIT report in their fact sheet in their 2018/2019 academic year that they can support thought their resident system. And even only offer 51% of Doctorial Student RA.

https://web.mit.edu/facts/tuition.html

But yes, you are right, Majority of PhD Student have full ride all the way. What did MIT knows?

38% is about its on campus housing...LMAO...

Check the number for Chinese students...

 

[KungFuLee]

Check the data for Chinese students pls.

No, you are right. Why do I need to check anything?

38% of those scholarship all goes to the Chinese student. and that 51% RA offered? Where do they go? All to Chinese student.

No need to check anything, you are right.

 

[Kai Liu]

So, when a doctor complete its "residence" is a doctor going to complete its house.

If you don't even know what's "Residence Support" and think of it as "Housing Support" well I can't help you.

Also. The title of the article is "TUITION" not about housing.

You are an idiot...lol... I know instate tuition or resident tuition of course, resident only pay ~1/3 the tuition, that's it, but it is for state university only.... But the 'residential system' here is not about resident or non resident, it is about housing... Read it carefully.

https://mitadmissions.org/blogs/entry/7-reasons-mit-is-special/
http://web.mit.edu/committees/sll/housing1.html

 

[FairAndUnbiased]

Chi

No, you are right. Why do I need to check anything?

38% of those scholarship all goes to the Chinese student. and that 51% RA offered? Where do they go? All to Chinese student.

No need to check anything, you are right.

It is common in the US for PhD in STEM to be fully funded. The end result is receiving a stipend as a salary, roughly 2k per month.

 

[zectech]

How the Chinese-Americans are treated differently than the jewish community in the US:

US 'Congress's' ties to the Isreali 'government' in giving Netanyahu 29 standing ovations:

(What if 'congress' gave Xi 29 standing ovations, would their loyalty to America be questioned, shows who is running 'Congress')

Trump Goes Full Anti-Semite in Room Full of Jewish People

(Trump) "accuses American Jews of being “disloyal” to Israel by voting for Democrats."

(Trump) "characterized (American) Jews as driven by money and insufficiently loyal to Israel."

source: https://www.vanityfair.com/news/2019/12/donald-trump-anti-semitic-remarks

So what would the response be if trump told Chinese-Americans that they were not loyal enough to China.

Chinese-Americans are already second class citizens:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/harvard-...s-different-sat-standards-for-asian-americans

And relationships between Isreal and jewish-americans are recommended.

Chinese-Americans should leave for freedom in China.

 

[KungFuLee]

You are an idiot...lol... I know instate tuition or resident tuition of course, resident only pay ~1/3 the tuition, that's it, but it is for state university only.... But the 'residential system' here is not about resident or non resident, it is about housing... Read it carefully.
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lol, so I made a mistake? Big deal, I read that news If I remember correctly is 2 or 3 am at night and the next day I fly back to Hong Kong. So what? You still have to explain why only 51% in average are supplemented by RA position) if you say "Almost all of them"

But again, I am not going to argue with you. I mean, if you believe US government pay for Chinese student to their study in America, who am I to say it's wrong lol

Chi


It is common in the US for PhD in STEM to be fully funded. The end result is receiving a stipend as a salary, roughly 2k per month.

I have lost interest in this discussion. But I am just going to list 2 things here to state my point.

1.) He said all Post Graduate candidate. That's include Graduate Studies (PS, CS, RS, PhD) yes, of course at PhD level, there are many supplemented student. But exactly how big is the PhD Population in the whole Post Graduate pool?

2.) Read his post again, he claim US Government paid Chinese student to study Post Grad in the US. STEM are mostly Commercial Grant by private business like Toyota or Toshiba or Intel. Yes, there are Government funded STEM grant and research but most of them only allow resident or citizens to take it.

 

[Kai Liu]

lol, so I made a mistake? Big deal, I read that news If I remember correctly is 2 or 3 am at night and the next day I fly back to Hong Kong. So what? You still have to explain why only 51% in average are supplemented by RA position) if you say "Almost all of them"

But again, I am not going to argue with you. I mean, if you believe US government pay for Chinese student to their study in America, who am I to say it's wrong lol



I have lost interest in this discussion. But I am just going to list 2 things here to state my point.

1.) He said all Post Graduate candidate. That's include Graduate Studies (PS, CS, RS, PhD) yes, of course at PhD level, there are many supplemented student. But exactly how big is the PhD Population in the whole Post Graduate pool?

2.) Read his post again, he claim US Government paid Chinese student to study Post Grad in the US. STEM are mostly Commercial Grant by private business like Toyota or Toshiba or Intel. Yes, there are Government funded STEM grant and research but most of them only allow resident or citizens to take it.

You should ask me why I know everything about how Universities in America work while you are so ignorant and basically like a moron here.
There are numerous Chinese PHD students funded by the US government research money from various government bodies like NSF, DOT, and DOE, etc. etc... While you as a law, art or whatever student from AU knows nothing but B.S. like an idiot here... My advise to you: just stay away instead of making yourself a big big joke here again and again... LMAO...

 

[KungFuLee]

You should ask me why I know everything about how Universities in America work while you are so ignorant and basically like a moron here.
There are numerous Chinese PHD students funded by the US government research money from various government bodies like NSF, DOT, and DOE, etc. etc... While you as a law, art or whatever student from AU knows nothing but B.S. like an idiot here... My advise to you: just stay away instead of making yourself a big big joke here again and again... LMAO...

Even your own people in this forum said there are MANY STEM graduate sponsorship (STEM are mostly commercial) and yet you still maintain you post.

Well, since this is not an orgy, I am not that much into a circle jerk. You can keep saying what you like but as most Chinese here, you ain't showing any proof here. Unless you show me some proof that "There are numerous Chinese PHD students funded by the US government", what you say remain, well, what you "say" and you are a nobody.

 

[Kai Liu]

Even your own people in this forum said there are MANY STEM graduate sponsorship (STEM are mostly commercial) and yet you still maintain you post.

Well, since this is not an orgy, I am not that much into a circle jerk. You can keep saying what you like but as most Chinese here, you ain't showing any proof here. Unless you show me some proof that "There are numerous Chinese PHD students funded by the US government", what you say remain, well, what you "say" and you are a nobody.

Lol...What I see 'my own people' here is keeping exposing your BS here...
And you have to ask me why I know so much about American universities, while you know nothing, because I got my PHD from an American university and did 2 year postdoc there before I came back 9 years ago... and I myself was funded by the NSF grant and several other grants from US departments, through my 4 year PHD study + 2 year postdoc.. Similar cases for the majority of my fellow Chinese classmates/colleagues. You know nothing about PHD students and American universities.. Just like I do not know much about universities in AU, but what I heard a lot is that Universities in AU admit international students mainly for the tuition, they seldom provide full funding for international students unlike American universities... This might be the reason you can not believe American universities using government funds to support Chinese students, and you could not even believe professors pay ~$2,000 monthly stipend to us in addition to the tuition, out of their research money essentially from the US government...Or you are just too ignorant...

 

[KungFuLee]

Lol...What I see 'my own people' here is keeping exposing your BS here...
And you have to ask me why I know so much about American universities, while you know nothing, because I got my PHD from an American university and did 2 year postdoc there before I came back 9 years ago... and I myself was funded by the NSF grant and several other grants from US departments, through my 4 year PHD study + 2 year postdoc.. Similar cases for the majority of my fellow Chinese classmates/colleagues. You know nothing about PHD students and American universities.. Just like I do not know much about universities in AU, but what I heard a lot is that Universities in AU admit international students mainly for the tuition, they seldom provide full funding for international students unlike American universities... This might be the reason you can not believe American universities using government funds to support Chinese students, and you could not even believe professors pay ~$2,000 monthly stipend to us in addition to the tuition, out of their research money essentially from the US government...Or you are just too ignorant...

So 8 sentences of word and NOT A SINGLE REFERENCE anywhere.

How could someone defeated this "my word is truth and I don't need reference"?
You can say "Xi is 6 ft tall and can bout around everyone" and since you have said that, that must be true right? LOL Yeah, 6 years post doc and you sounded like a overly patriotic teenager. What did you specialize in your "PhD"? Modern Swearing? LOL If you are 6 year post doc, then I am actually Scott Morrison. LOL

By the way, you know you can check NSF grant, right? Those aren't exactly top secret information you know.

https://www.nsf.gov/funding/

As I said, I am not into circle jerk, especially with you, so unless you come back with something other than "your word" I am not going to waste my time on here anyway.