Harvard professor among three charged with lying about Chinese government ties

[Kai Liu]

Pls have respect, you are on a Pakistan forum not chinese nationalist club!

If you are the backbone where is your contribution to real US business? Why I hardly see any chinese speakers on the forums such as Cisco live?

That said, Chinese do the research, indians do the bragging job, while you vn refugees can do things like clean the floor or wash the toilet.. Get it?

 

[KungFuLee]

All of them. If you are a graduate student, you work either as a TA (teaching assistant) or RA (research assistant) or both at different time period... Majority of graduate students work as RA during their study...In the case of RA, your money are from your professor's research funds which mostly comes from the government, small portion are from companies. If you are excellent in academic performance, you could get fellowship which a lot of them again comes from the government. For TA money, they are from various sources, but portion of them are also from the government.

Not sure what you mean.

Research Grant and Scholarship are two different things. Research Grant are the budget for your project, basically you were hired by the university or research group to carry out the research in question. Scholarship is an all expense paid spot a company sponsor you for the studies/research.

If you get the RA spot of course you are paid under the Research Grant, but that have nothing to do with being Chinese or what. They give them as a whole budget usually have a limited time period. TA were employed by the University Directly, you teach college classes, usually tutorial for undergrad and you earn money that way, it is a substitute for RA grant.

All these have nothing to do with being Chinese or Asian, I mean on one hand it was a research team, if I have to pick a research team I will need to choose my people according to their ability regardless of their nationality, I never heard of "Chinese" being picked first. I mean, yes, in some field (like Engineering or Mathematics), 60% of the applicant are Chinese, so no matter who you pick you are going to end up picking a lot of Chinese. While the other is just a normal job.

And Scholarship is a completely different issue....

Knowledge?

our chinese friends think too high of themselves.

they copy western stuffs whenever there is an opportunity.

when Germany introduced electric scooters last years, you should observe mass of chinese nationals that stood around electric scooters, making photos, measuring the verhicle.

I would not be surprised if I see the same scooter copy in China for half of the price.

The thing is, the student population in China is very big, because there is a very big population in China. There aren't remotely enough university to take them on, and they flooded the post grad market in the west, then these people come back and told you that they were the best and the brightest....

 

[Viet]

ill buy it.

Half of the price with half of quality

my friend, I will buy the original.

 

[Kai Liu]

Not sure what you mean.

Research Grant and Scholarship are two different things. Research Grant are the budget for your project, basically you were hired by the university or research group to carry out the research in question. Scholarship is an all expense paid spot a company sponsor you for the studies/research.

If you get the RA spot of course you are paid under the Research Grant, but that have nothing to do with being Chinese or what. They give them as a whole budget usually have a limited time period. TA were employed by the University Directly, you teach college classes, usually tutorial for undergrad and you earn money that way, it is a substitute for RA grant.

All these have nothing to do with being Chinese or Asian, I mean on one hand it was a research team, if I have to pick a research team I will need to choose my people regardless of their nationality, I never heard of "Chinese" being picked first. I mean, yes, in some field (like Engineering or Mathematics), 60% of the applicant are Chinese, so no matter who you pick you are going to end up picking a lot of Chinese. While the other is just a normal job.

And Scholarship is a completely different issue....

Whatever, I do not need you to tell me what is a scholarship.. Huge number of Chinese students have US government fellowship as I know. And the simple fact is US government money is funding students from a rival nation China in the field of science and engineering way more than any other nation or even their own people...
And why there are so many Chinese students are admitted at the first place? You still think there are no preferential?

Knowledge?

our chinese friends think too high of themselves.

they copy western stuffs whenever there is an opportunity.

when Germany introduced electric scooters last years, you should observe mass of chinese nationals that stood around electric scooters, making photos, measuring the verhicle.

I would not be surprised if I see the same scooter copy in China for half of the price.

German e-scooters??? WTX is that??? E scooters are everywhere in China, and BMW is buying batteries from CATL... You bumpkins knows noting but B.S. here day and night....

 

[KungFuLee]

Whatever, I do not need you to tell me what is a scholarship.. Huge number of Chinese students have US government fellowship as I know. And the simple fact is US government money is funding students from a rival nation China in the field of science and engineering way more than any other nation or even their own people...
And why there are so many Chinese students are admitted at the first place? You still think there are no preferential?

lol, US government only give out fellowship to US Citizens. You must be thinking of University Fellowship.

Why? Do you know how many student graduate in China each year? If China have the facilities to take them all on, there will not be a flood of Chinese student like I said before. And no, I do not think there are any preferential when you have flooded the field.

If there are preferential, then we will see the whole spectrum of field studies would be covered by Chinese researcher, however, that is not the case, as I said Chinese researcher only able to flood the field in Engineering and Pure Science. There are 30 students in my field of study, 21 of those are local, 3 from Europe. 3 from America, and 3 from Asia
Of those, 15 are of Middle Eastern/South Asian Descent, 10 are white, the other are Asian.

 

[Viet]

German e-scooters??? WTX is that??? E scooters are everywhere in China, and BMW is buying batteries from CATL... You bumpkins knows noting but B.S. here day and night....

This one for instance you illiterate

 

[Kai Liu]

lol, US government only give out fellowship to US Citizens. You must be thinking of University Fellowship.

Why? Do you know how many student graduate in China each year? If China have the facilities to take them all on, there will not be a flood of Chinese student like I said before. And no, I do not think there are any preferential.

Nonsense, no matter its research grant or fellowship, they are government money... US government money are funding huge huge numer of Chinese students is a fact which already proved my point...
Chinese universities can not take them all??? Sorry you should know more about how many universities offer PHD positions here. A lot of universities can not recruit enough students to fill those positions.
Eventhough, why US universities have to admit huge huge number of those students?? Just because China can not take them all on??? Come on, US government has no such responsibility to admit them if they are not good enough, or better than still huge huge number of students from else where....

This one for instance you illiterate

What special about this??? Is such type of scooter a German invention??? You idiot bumpkin...

 

[KungFuLee]

Nonsense, no matter its research grant or fellowship, they are government money... US government money are funding huge huge numer of Chinese students is a fact which already proved my point...
Chinese universities can not take them all??? Sorry you should know more about how many universities offer PHD positions here. A lot of universities can not recruit enough students to fill those positions.
Eventhough, why US universities have to admit huge huge number of those students?? Just because China can not take them all on??? Come on, US government has no such responsibility to admit them if they are not good enough, or better than still huge huge number of students from else where.....

lol, whatever you say, I mean if you think government do payout to overseas student, well, you can believe that. That would have make my life a lot easier.

And you are asking why the Western University accept huge number of Chinese Student? Are you seriously asking that? Why college takes in international student at all? I give you two guesses.

 

[Viet]

What special about this??? Is such type of scooter a German invention??? You idiot bumpkin...

Nothing special just a battery driven scooter usually used by kids

seriously Germany should introduce measures to protect intellectual properties. All chinese tourists cameras should be checked, all sensible photos to be erased when they leave Germany.

lol, whatever you say, I mean if you think government do payout to overseas student, well, you can believe that. That would have make my life a lot easier.

And you are asking why the Western University accept huge number of Chinese Student? Are you seriously asking that? Why college takes in international student at all? I give you two guesses.

Free scholarship is given to the few among the brightest. Not the mass.

Unless you are originated from a certain God chosen country.

 

[大汉奸柳传志]

visiting scholars and exchange students at first..

then all ethnic chinese scientists&researchers begin to look suspicious.

now they dont even trust their own people...

 

[KungFuLee]

Free scholarship is given to the few among the brightest. Not the mass.

Unless you are originated from a certain God chosen country.

Or sleeping with the professor, that may help...….lol

 

[Viet]

Or sleeping with the professor, that may help...….lol

Another reason why drastic measures are necessary. Some female students may work as Pla spies.

Before they leave the US, the border guard should do body search.

 

[Kai Liu]

lol, whatever you say, I mean if you think government do payout to overseas student, well, you can believe that. That would have make my life a lot easier.

And you are asking why the Western University accept huge number of Chinese Student? Are you seriously asking that? Why college takes in international student at all? I give you two guesses.

Professors do pay students out of government money, don't they???
College takes international students for two reasons: for undergraduates, mostly for tuition... but for graduate students, especially PHDs, they pay them for doing research, and this is why they take more Chinese students because they are more capable than students from elsewhere. Not sure about universities in Australia because I have no idea about them and do not care. But for US universities, they work this way.

Nothing special just a battery driven scooter usually used by kids

seriously Germany should introduce measures to protect intellectual properties. All chinese tourists cameras should be checked, all sensible photos to be erased when they leave Germany.

Nothing special, then why should you blabla so much about it? You are such a bumpkin talk so much B.S. about a kid's toy.. LMAO...

Or sleeping with the professor, that may help...….lol

Is this what you are doing for your professor?

 

[gambit]

Lol I graduated from a Chinese Univeristy in 2009 . Let me tell you at that time they had propulsion technology that was 10 years ahead. They are way ahead than you can imagine.

Yeah...And am sure you had access to other researches to make comparisons. I wonder who is really imagining shit now just to curry 'Thanks' from a few Chinese on an anonymous Internet forum.

 

[KungFuLee]

Professors do pay students out of government money, don't they???
College takes international students for two reasons: for undergraduates, mostly for tuition... but for graduate students, especially PHDs, they pay them for doing research, and this is why they take more Chinese students because they are more capable than students from elsewhere. Not sure about universities in Australia because I have no idea about them and do not care. But for US universities, they work this way.

They paid you for research and you don't pay them?? Ha!!! Tell that to my college.

Here are what they charge for a Research Student in my uni

https://www.mq.edu.au/study/admissi...earch-training-contribution-bands-and-amounts

https://www.mq.edu.au/research/phd-and-research-degrees/fees-and-costs

For my program that's 2 years. Which is A$11,155 a year, unless you are a commonwealth funded student, you are liable to pay both years of fees. For a PhD, you are liable for 3 years full time course study, so you would need to pay 3 full years. The same things applies, unless you are a commonwealth place student, you are require to pay in full.

I have checked some US degree before, they charge from $20,000 to $30,000 (UCLA)

This is how much MIT charged for their research and PhD student

https://registrar.mit.edu/registration-academics/tuition-fees/graduate

This is how much UCLA charged for research student

https://grad.ucla.edu/gss/library/remissionsgsr.pdf

Not to mention if you want to get a place in research project, you most likely required a coursework degree form the same college before you can applies.

And no, it works the same in the US (US School fee are also listed), our school have a bridging scheme in some US college (Stanford, USC and some other school) so we can exchange and work in the US given if we have the visa and appropriate document , and unless you are a graduated researcher, your pay is shit, by graduated researcher I meant you just graduate from a PhD. If you are still getting your degree, you get half the pay than a graduate researcher. In Oz, it's around 40k a year and in the US, MIT RA/TA gets around 35k a year. You probably just enough to cover the living expenses.

As I said, you don't really know much on Post Graduate System in the US or anywhere in the world.

Is this what you are doing for your professor?

I wish, my professor is a hot blonde in her 30s. I would totally do her if I have a chance.