Haroon Rasheed on Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani

[batmannow]

Hi,

And he could have saved pakistans image with just one sentence----" it happened with our permission and involvement ".

no he couldn't !
he was a coward !
cause at that time in army , it was unacceptable , it could have brought a lot of , commanders pointing their straight fingers towards him , which could made him removed ?
specially MI , which was robbed , with thier premium asset like OBL , best was what , as it's been done then ?
I just wish that some day , all of those who shutted down our radars & other equipments near & around abbotabad would have been questioned , about that 48 hours of mess in pakistani aerospace .

a few marked heads , were later removed under Raheel sharif , with some other crimes , but eventually all of future Web been reconstructed in Raheel sharifs term , as it was planned in musharafs times .
that's what all I can tell in this regurd for now , more then that will burn my wings !lol

 

[scionofPakwattan]

no maturity same end would have given same bad name and Pakistan is no where close to be diplomatically isolated

Sir, lets not kid ourselves: Pakistan's two most important points that it lobbies for: indian sponsored terrorism and Kashmir issue: Pakistan's narrative is not supported by almost all of the western countries and many Muslim countries dont want to openly align themselves with Pakistan on these issues. Just because china or turkey come out in favor of Pakistan here and there does not constitute a diplomatic win. Pakistan needs to be stronger and needs to be able to stand on its own feet in the international arena: our economy should propel us to be one of the top 8 nations in the world. we have the potential. I have met diplomats and army bigwigs including amb to us and maleeha lodhi and a few corps commanders too and everyone agrees with this assessment of Pakistan's inability to push its own agenda on the international stage

you have , just hit the nail , musharaf was a headache who was blackmailing both CIA , pentagon at the same time because he did captured the OBL right after tora bora fake , dramatic airbombing of the innocent mountains ?
actully kiyani just , sold OBL s movie to Americans who , just wanted to take OBL out of that zone ?
still dats a big question , why did American establishment not took OBL alive to use as a sign of victory of its missions ?
& why his body been thrown into sea ?lol
that's the most weakest secensof that badly scripted drama / movie ?


he just used all this swat situation to his benefit , he planned it , as a head of ISI ,he knew well all the positions of the TTp , even at the times of MUSHARAF , it was kiyani who was playing a opposite role , under the deal with CIA ?
WHY he got away with everything untill now is just one thing , fake OBL mission , which he knows all , & been secured & gurnteed by CIA & PENTAGON ?


he is the black sheep of pak army , do u know just after him ,frist thing RAHEEL sharif did was to relocate pakistani NUK assets to other remote locations ?
why , Raheel did dat ?
cause he was aware of that traitor

yes sir, there is something fishy in that arena

 

[batmannow]

Sir, lets not kid ourselves: Pakistan's two most important points that it lobbies for: indian sponsored terrorism and Kashmir issue: Pakistan's narrative is not supported by almost all of the western countries and many Muslim countries dont want to openly align themselves with Pakistan on these issues. Just because china or turkey come out in favor of Pakistan here and there does not constitute a diplomatic win. Pakistan needs to be stronger and needs to be able to stand on its own feet in the international arena: our economy should propel us to be one of the top 8 nations in the world. we have the potential. I have met diplomats and army bigwigs including amb to us and maleeha lodhi and a few corps commanders too and everyone agrees with this assessment of Pakistan's inability to push its own agenda on the international stage



yes sir, there is something fishy in that arena

it's not fishy , it's grave mistake by a proven patriot like musharaf that instead , bringing in a real national defence council with a rotation mechanism for , deciding the major national intersts of pakistan , he went ahead trusting a greedy , golf partner & one of his commanders Mr kiyani the CONSPIRATOR KING as the spy master of his premier intelligence organization, power croupts everyone ?

 

[MastanKhan]

it's not fishy , it's grave mistake by a proven patriot like musharaf that instead , bringing in a real national defence council with a rotation mechanism for , deciding the major national intersts of pakistan , he went ahead trusting a greedy , golf partner & one of his commanders Mr kiyani the CONSPIRATOR KING as the spy master of his premier intelligence organization, power croupts everyone ?

Hi,

As I stated many a times before---my brother told him not to---, Kiyani cannot be trusted---he does not have the ballz or the gumption to be the COAS---. The term he used was discriminative---but true---.

 

[batmannow]

Hi,

As I stated many a times before---my brother told him not to---, Kiyani cannot be trusted---he does not have the ballz or the gumption to be the COAS---. The term he used was discriminative---but true---.

I think , cause he was a military sec to BB in her past term , musharaf thought , it ill soften bb in accepting him as a father figure at that time ?
all he not knew , that he & bb both are heading towards a dam inside job ?
u must have , seen Zardari telling everyone that he knew , who killed bb , off course he knew well , that it was his master kiyani , who planned all of it , using zardari & his baloch boys & his former PSF kgb trained agents then TTp commander ? even getting him cleaned the from Americans ?
& now no one wants to go there ?

 

[scionofPakwattan]

it's not fishy , it's grave mistake by a proven patriot like musharaf that instead , bringing in a real national defence council with a rotation mechanism for , deciding the major national intersts of pakistan , he went ahead trusting a greedy , golf partner & one of his commanders Mr kiyani the CONSPIRATOR KING as the spy master of his premier intelligence organization, power croupts everyone ?

I think there was more to Kayani's selection than just being a gold partner: Lets consider external pressure and continuity. Musharraf didnt know that Kayani would change things completely (every chief does that i believe but some have a stronger urge to stand out) Plus we know through haqqani's appointment as ambassador and then later his actions that were against our national interest that it was conspiracy against our country to make us weaker

 

[batmannow]

I think there was more to Kayani's selection than just being a gold partner: Lets consider external pressure and continuity. Musharraf didnt know that Kayani would change things completely (every chief does that i believe but some have a stronger urge to stand out) Plus we know through haqqani's appointment as ambassador and then later his actions that were against our national interest that it was conspiracy against our country to make us weaker

problem was that , it all went up , because of a big mouth pakistani American in this whole episode of a long written plans ?
MUSHARAF wasn't under any preasure at the appointment of kiyani , but yes kiyani was pushed by some angles who were trying to change the military head .
so he might pushed to a level , where he has to decide to bring in a new army chief , once kiyani got appointed as ISI chief then , he went to usa where he agreed with pentagon , to change the pakistani politics & geo political situation within few months ?
lawyers movement was sponsored by Americans but kiyani was the tool .