Haroon Rasheed on Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani

[Baloch Pakistani]

That's may be because army was unable to reply to the allegations of media and PTI.
Army progressed and ISPR started to held official press briefing, venting over pressure of frustration.

They called him that because of his reluctance to take a strong action against TTP actually. Soldiers didn't like him at all.

 

[LeGenD]

You haven't read his book that's why you are comparing it with nytimes

My point is that the book corroborates the key disclosures in the NYT article that was released in 2003.

A general can't get corporate farming land in Australia, even with his combined salary, that's enough said.
Rest, as I mentioned an American would write a book about Abbattabad, indicating who made how much money.

Salaries might be low (which I seriously doubt) but perks and benefits are tremendous at this post. COAS can become a millionnaire through honest means.

Anyways, Kiyani's earnings does not have any connection with the Abbottabad episode. No concrete evidence of this.

His brothers however...

 

[!eon]

My point is that the book corroborates the key disclosures in the NYT article that was released in 2003.

That book has precise names, now these names should come with their versions of story, which they haven't

His brothers however...

And that was my question, how that brother could get even a minor contract in DHA, when his bro wasn't COAS ?
And how that brother could walk freely after that huge corruption, when his bro wasn't COAS ?

 

[BATMAN]

They called him that because of his reluctance to take a strong action against TTP actually. Soldiers didn't like him at all.

Politicians... specially PTI was not in favor of taking action against TTP.
I hope people remember the proceedings of those times, and media statements of IK.
Soldiers like everyone else, wanted Genral Kiyani to take over, which may not have turned out in favor of country... over stretching limited army.
That's why, soldiers hated politicians even more, this is why Kiyani was given extension by politicians, as he was viewed as safe bet.

 

[Sine Nomine]

To all Tom Dick and Harry's out there.....

You guys didn't witnessed,in what condition Pakistan Army was when kiyani took over,TTP already was powerful thanks to kommando Mush.
PA was literally on knees,when he took over,PA wasn't trained to fight LIC conflict backed by so many states.
Hardcore TTP guys were not afraid of our soldiers at all,perhaps there training was much tougher then our average soldiers and officers,they only feared Air Power,Commandos and Gunships.
If Pakistan wasn't having these 3 things in place,what ISIS did to Iraqi Army,same would have happened to us.
Moral was all time low.
He took over command and revised curriculum and fighting doctrine of PA.He started LIC training prior to deployment of a unit in Zone.
Brought up Moral of PA by conduction Sawat Ops.
What he did later Raheel enjoyed through Photo ops.
He was caught in bad luck,we better know what image Mush left of PA in Awam.
He did his best,rest he was more professional then blue eyed boy of all Arm chair Generals.

He Didn't clear anything , Army Jawans did .. Army operation was necessary cause Taliban were in SWAT MALAKAND , back in Mushy era they never were that close to major Pakistani cities . IF Kiyani did not do it someone else would , so i wont credit him for doing his only JOB ..

Mush provided them enough space and time to grow,they started in 2004 and grew up to current level.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

He was the one who cleared most of tribal areas. It's only other 20 % area which both Raheel and now Bajwa are trying to clear. He brought back the Morale of Army which was at its lowest in time of dumbo Musharraf. He was not perfect but one of the best Chiefs we had. As for Salala if their would have been any other chief still these blunders would have happened.

Zarvan I will disagree with you on that, He was more interested in saving his brothers and keeping himself for another 3 years and he hesitated to act against the terrorists, Pakistan Army's image and role overhaul happened during Gen Raheel/Gen Bajwa's tenure and Gen Kayani was too 'cautious" aka scared to act because he had seen gen musharraf go down just because he was too bold and outspoken. Gen kayani cowered instead of stand up. same story when salala/obl and raymond davis stuff happened. army's morale was really bad back then. the only good thing he did for army was that he improved living conditions for the jawans and junior officers (ive heard his brothers did most of the construction on the projects though)

 

[Zarvan]

Zarvan I will disagree with you on that, He was more interested in saving his brothers and keeping himself for another 3 years and he hesitated to act against the terrorists, Pakistan Army's image and role overhaul happened during Gen Raheel/Gen Bajwa's tenure and Gen Kayani was too 'cautious" aka scared to act because he had seen gen musharraf go down just because he was too bold and outspoken. Gen kayani cowered instead of stand up. same story when salala/obl and raymond davis stuff happened. army's morale was really bad back then. the only good thing he did for army was that he improved living conditions for the jawans and junior officers (ive heard his brothers did most of the construction on the projects though)

He cleared 80 % area of Tribal Area. Mr problem in his time was Musharraf had recently left and Army was considered puppets of USA. He had to fight that image along with fighting Taliban. He brought the ownership of war he brought the much needed training for this war. He brought the weapons for it. Yes even if in time of Raheel Shareef Salala and Raymond Davis would have happened even Raheel Shareef would have done nothing. Raheel Shareef advantage was he was dam good at propaganda along with being from family of martyrs. Kiyani was not that good. If some has a delusion that if Raymond Davis incident if happpened under Raheel or current Bajwa and result would have been different than they are dead wrong. Yes his brothers were corrupt still he did great for Army one of the best chiefs we had.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

He cleared 80 % area of Tribal Area. Mr problem in his time was Musharraf had recently left and Army was considered puppets of USA. He had to fight that image along with fighting Taliban. He brought the ownership of war he brought the much needed training for this war. He brought the weapons for it. Yes even if in time of Raheel Shareef Salala and Raymond Davis would have happened even Raheel Shareef would have done nothing. Raheel Shareef advantage was he was dam good at propaganda along with being from family of martyrs. Kiyani was not that good. If some has a delusion that if Raymond Davis incident if happpened under Raheel or current Bajwa and result would have been different than they are dead wrong. Yes his brothers were corrupt still he did great for Army one of the best chiefs we had.

Result may have been the same if Raymond davis happened today but it wouldve been handled maturely and causing less damage to Pakistan's image. the result of raymond davis, OBL and salala-AND post Mumbai propaganda by India- was that Pakistan is now completely isolated diplomatically. Consider Pakistan's strength vs pakistan's diplomatic clout in the world.

 

[Zarvan]

Result may have been the same if Raymond davis happened today but it wouldve been handled maturely and causing less damage to Pakistan's image. the result of raymond davis, OBL and salala-AND post Mumbai propaganda by India- was that Pakistan is now completely isolated diplomatically. Consider Pakistan's strength vs pakistan's diplomatic clout in the world.

no maturity same end would have given same bad name and Pakistan is no where close to be diplomatically isolated

 

[TsAr]

Some members are of the view that Kiani was utterly useless, on the other hand some are highly praising him. One must not forget that the job of COAS is not an easy task. He had his good days and bad days. Like any human being made wrong decisions as well all bad one's.
One thing no one mentioned is the common thing between Haroon rasheed and Kiani, they both like and followers of Professor Ahmad Rafique.....

 

[batmannow]

Worse Army Chief we ever had .. Salala , OBL drama and memo gate .

surly , his accounts & assets should be acounted without any mercy , cause he made a lot getting funded by CIA frist , bringin in a fake up spring against patriotic musharaf govt , which was playing a sure game against CIA,s long term dirty plans in Afghanistan , cause
he becomes a American National threat , who was dogging them in Afghanistan while , making pakistan stronger , defensively , economicly !
whole lal masjid incident & lawyers movement bieng , secretly helped out by kiyani as the head of ISI , while keeping some key generals in the military , fogging them with the fake fruits of democracy comming to pakistan , with bringing in BB & Nawaz , then bringing ZARDARI to power & selling OBL , which he planned with CIA , as a head of ISI in his past role .
sure he should be brought to justice some day , to let pak army & pakistan to be a state of great athourity & writ within its boundaries & to bring real justice to the croupt politicians & the croupt elites .

 

[batmannow]

He got the job cuz Musharraf didnt think he would change sides and take sides with the US state dept. Comeon, noone can deny that Musharraf's ouster was actually planned in the US state dept since he wasnt doing what Zardari/haqqani/kayani were willing to do.

you have , just hit the nail , musharaf was a headache who was blackmailing both CIA , pentagon at the same time because he did captured the OBL right after tora bora fake , dramatic airbombing of the innocent mountains ?
actully kiyani just , sold OBL s movie to Americans who , just wanted to take OBL out of that zone ?
still dats a big question , why did American establishment not took OBL alive to use as a sign of victory of its missions ?
& why his body been thrown into sea ?lol
that's the most weakest secensof that badly scripted drama / movie ?

Achievements are easy to forget, i agree that my opinion about him is over shadowed by these three incidents i posted in my first post .. but i agree he will be remembered for his second term, i'd say Raheel was indeed more intelligent than Kiyani , he didn't fall for that same trap .



He Didn't clear anything , Army Jawans did .. Army operation was necessary cause Taliban were in SWAT MALAKAND , back in Mushy era they never were that close to major Pakistani cities . IF Kiyani did not do it someone else would , so i wont credit him for doing his only JOB ..

he just used all this swat situation to his benefit , he planned it , as a head of ISI ,he knew well all the positions of the TTp , even at the times of MUSHARAF , it was kiyani who was playing a opposite role , under the deal with CIA ?
WHY he got away with everything untill now is just one thing , fake OBL mission , which he knows all , & been secured & gurnteed by CIA & PENTAGON ?

no maturity same end would have given same bad name and Pakistan is no where close to be diplomatically isolated

he is the black sheep of pak army , do u know just after him ,frist thing RAHEEL sharif did was to relocate pakistani NUK assets to other remote locations ?
why , Raheel did dat ?
cause he was aware of that traitor

 

[Zarvan]

you have , just hit the nail , musharaf was a headache who was blackmailing both CIA , pentagon at the same time because he did captured the OBL right after tora bora fake , dramatic airbombing of the innocent mountains ?
actully kiyani just , sold OBL s movie to Americans who , just wanted to take OBL out of that zone ?
still dats a big question , why did American establishment not took OBL alive to use as a sign of victory of its missions ?
& why his body been thrown into sea ?lol
that's the most weakest secensof that badly scripted drama / movie ?


he just used all this swat situation to his benefit , he planned it , as a head of ISI ,he knew well all the positions of the TTp , even at the times of MUSHARAF , it was kiyani who was playing a opposite role , under the deal with CIA ?
WHY he got away with everything untill now is just one thing , fake OBL mission , which he knows all , & been secured & gurnteed by CIA & PENTAGON ?


he is the black sheep of pak army , do u know just after him ,frist thing RAHEEL sharif did was to relocate pakistani NUK assets to other remote locations ?
why , Raheel did dat ?
cause he was aware of that traitor

Pakistan keeps changing nuclear weapons and no he wasn't Black Sheep in fact one of the best Chiefs we had. From improving training to making Tariq Khan head of FC to bringing ownership of war on terror to restoring Army image and clearing most of the Tribal areas he did great job. The disasters happened in his time no other chief would have done anything different

 

[batmannow]

Pakistan keeps changing nuclear weapons and no he wasn't Black Sheep in fact one of the best Chiefs we had. From improving training to making Tariq Khan head of FC to bringing ownership of war on terror to restoring Army image and clearing most of the Tribal areas he did great job. The disasters happened in his time no other chief would have done anything different

do u have any idea when ,pakistan frist established it's nuclear arms command ?????????
he was a traitor , who brought all the croupt mess of pakistan back into pakistan under his deal with CIA ?
zarDari or Nawaz sharif were his kids who he used on his own dirty political cHess ????
but under the preasure from senior army command , he has retired , even then he was trying to get some space for himself ????
it was Raheel sharif who , really break the back bone of all TTp dogs & all kind of terrorists & thier croupt political handlers in all the major political parties of pakistan.
even getting a safe exit to a patriot like MUSHARAF , who is still remain popular within army ranks.

 

[MastanKhan]

He allowed US to carry out a false flag in Abbotabad destroying Pakistan's image for the next 100 years putting us into shame all over the world.

Hi,

And he could have saved pakistans image with just one sentence----" it happened with our permission and involvement ".