Haroon Rasheed on Gen Ashfaq Parvez Kayani

[Abu Zarrar]

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[YeBeWarned]

Worse Army Chief we ever had .. Salala , OBL drama and memo gate .

 

[niaz]

Let us face it, in personal charisma & imposing appearance, Gen Kiyani was no match to either Musharraf or to Raheel Shareef. He was however well liked and respected during his first term of office. But 3 things spoiled his image.

No matter which way you look at it, Abbottabad raid by the US and the fact the OBL was found in a garrison town in Pakistan was an insult to Pakistan, to Pakistan army as an institution and particularly to the COAS. Before becoming COAS, Gen Kiyani was head of the ISI. Assuming that he was in fact unaware of OBL presence right under his nose, indicates his lack of competency as Pakistan’s intelligence chief.

Secondly, he should have retired after his first term, accepting extension of his term of office is indicative of a greedy streak, thus a weakness of character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html

Finally, revelation by Maj Gen Athar Abbas that Gen Kiyani feared backlash from the religious lobby and hence he procrastinated about taking the military action against Taliban, makes Gen Kiyani out to be an indecisive general who lacked the guts to tackle the Taliban menace.

Any one of the Corps Commanders / 3- star generals from the fighting branches, is supposed to be capable of heading the Army; promotion to the COAS position being the discretionary choice by the Prime Minister from the list of recommended names. IMO Gen Kiyani was just a run of the mill competent general who got the job because Musharraf liked him.

 

[scionofPakwattan]

Let us face it, in personal charisma & imposing appearance, Gen Kiyani was no match to either Musharraf or to Raheel Shareef. He was however well liked and respected during his first term of office. But 3 things spoiled his image.

No matter which way you look at it, Abbottabad raid by the US and the fact the OBL was found in a garrison town in Pakistan was an insult to Pakistan, to Pakistan army as an institution and particularly to the COAS. Before becoming COAS, Gen Kiyani was head of the ISI. Assuming that he was in fact unaware of OBL presence right under his nose, indicates his lack of competency as Pakistan’s intelligence chief.

Secondly, he should have retired after his first term, accepting textension of his term of office is indicative of a greedy streak, thus a weakness of character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html

Finally, revelation by Maj Gen Athar Abbas that Gen Kiyani feared backlash from the religious lobby and hence he procrastinated about taking the military action against Taliban, makes Gen Kiyani out to be an indecisive general who lacked the guts to tackle the Taliban menace.

Any one of the Corps Commanders / 3- star generals from the fighting branches, is supposed to be capable of heading the Army; promotion to the COAS position being the discretionary choice by the Prime Minister from the list of recommended names. IMO Gen Kiyani was just a run of the mill competent general who got the job because Musharraf liked him.

He got the job cuz Musharraf didnt think he would change sides and take sides with the US state dept. Comeon, noone can deny that Musharraf's ouster was actually planned in the US state dept since he wasnt doing what Zardari/haqqani/kayani were willing to do.

 

[VCheng]

Let us face it, in personal charisma & imposing appearance, Gen Kiyani was no match to either Musharraf or to Raheel Shareef. He was however well liked and respected during his first term of office. But 3 things spoiled his image.

No matter which way you look at it, Abbottabad raid by the US and the fact the OBL was found in a garrison town in Pakistan was an insult to Pakistan, to Pakistan army as an institution and particularly to the COAS. Before becoming COAS, Gen Kiyani was head of the ISI. Assuming that he was in fact unaware of OBL presence right under his nose, indicates his lack of competency as Pakistan’s intelligence chief.

Secondly, he should have retired after his first term, accepting textension of his term of office is indicative of a greedy streak, thus a weakness of character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html

Finally, revelation by Maj Gen Athar Abbas that Gen Kiyani feared backlash from the religious lobby and hence he procrastinated about taking the military action against Taliban, makes Gen Kiyani out to be an indecisive general who lacked the guts to tackle the Taliban menace.

Any one of the Corps Commanders / 3- star generals from the fighting branches, is supposed to be capable of heading the Army; promotion to the COAS position being the discretionary choice by the Prime Minister from the list of recommended names. IMO Gen Kiyani was just a run of the mill competent general who got the job because Musharraf liked him.

#4: His brother and related corruption by the millions.

 

[Dil Pakistan]

Let us face it, in personal charisma & imposing appearance, Gen Kiyani was no match to either Musharraf or to Raheel Shareef. He was however well liked and respected during his first term of office. But 3 things spoiled his image.

No matter which way you look at it, Abbottabad raid by the US and the fact the OBL was found in a garrison town in Pakistan was an insult to Pakistan, to Pakistan army as an institution and particularly to the COAS. Before becoming COAS, Gen Kiyani was head of the ISI. Assuming that he was in fact unaware of OBL presence right under his nose, indicates his lack of competency as Pakistan’s intelligence chief.

Secondly, he should have retired after his first term, accepting extension of his term of office is indicative of a greedy streak, thus a weakness of character.

http://www.nytimes.com/2011/06/16/world/asia/16pakistan.html

Finally, revelation by Maj Gen Athar Abbas that Gen Kiyani feared backlash from the religious lobby and hence he procrastinated about taking the military action against Taliban, makes Gen Kiyani out to be an indecisive general who lacked the guts to tackle the Taliban menace.

Any one of the Corps Commanders / 3- star generals from the fighting branches, is supposed to be capable of heading the Army; promotion to the COAS position being the discretionary choice by the Prime Minister from the list of recommended names. IMO Gen Kiyani was just a run of the mill competent general who got the job because Musharraf liked him.

#4: His brother and related corruption by the millions.

No.5 - Allowing PMLn to get away with Dhandli in 2013 election.

 

[Path-Finder]

I will say there is alot of things until they are declassified we will be shooting blanks in the air.

 

[Hyperion]

This is Pakistan. Nothing will ever be declassified. Even if by a miracle it is declassified, it will be labeled a Yahoodi-RAW conspiracy, tagged and dumped. Simple as that.

I will say there is alot of things until they are declassified we will be shooting blanks in the air.

 

[Taimoor Khan]

Someone needs to ask haroon ur Rasheed two questions, if he knows the answer. 1) who was the third voice in famous or infamous "35 puncture " audio. 2) who called SM Zafar right before he was about to challenge Zardari nomination papers for presidency and told him not to do so?

This country has been put to dogs.

 

[django]

Worse Army Chief we ever had .. Salala , OBL drama and memo gate .

He had a pretty decent run in his first term however he will be remembered for his second term which was coupled with indecisiveness and bad luck ie OBL operation, irrespective of who was at the helm, the yanks were going to come in PERIOD.Kudos

 

[Zarvan]

Worse Army Chief we ever had .. Salala , OBL drama and memo gate .

He was the one who cleared most of tribal areas. It's only other 20 % area which both Raheel and now Bajwa are trying to clear. He brought back the Morale of Army which was at its lowest in time of dumbo Musharraf. He was not perfect but one of the best Chiefs we had. As for Salala if their would have been any other chief still these blunders would have happened.

 

[YeBeWarned]

He had a pretty decent run in his first term however he will be remembered for his second term which was coupled with indecisiveness and bad luck ie OBL operation, irrespective of who was at the helm, the yanks were going to come in PERIOD.Kudos

Achievements are easy to forget, i agree that my opinion about him is over shadowed by these three incidents i posted in my first post .. but i agree he will be remembered for his second term, i'd say Raheel was indeed more intelligent than Kiyani , he didn't fall for that same trap .

He was the one who cleared most of tribal areas. It's only other 20 % area which both Raheel and now Bajwa are trying to clear. He brought back the Morale of Army which was at its lowest in time of dumbo Musharraf. He was not perfect but one of the best Chiefs we had. As for Salala if their would have been any other chief still these blunders would have happened.

He Didn't clear anything , Army Jawans did .. Army operation was necessary cause Taliban were in SWAT MALAKAND , back in Mushy era they never were that close to major Pakistani cities . IF Kiyani did not do it someone else would , so i wont credit him for doing his only JOB ..

 

[Big Tank]

He was a moron who believed on "Khao or Khanay do" theory.

He had no dignity and he didn't give a damn to this nation. An American bootlicker and a coward. He even had great links with the LeJ and Malik Ishaq. Allowed them to slaughter his own citizens.

 

[Safriz]

Worse Army Chief we ever had .. Salala , OBL drama and memo gate .

Dont forget who was in charge during his time.
Zardari took kickbacks from OBl and 285 Drone attacks, during which Kyani happened to be army cheif.

 

[Big Tank]

He allowed US to carry out a false flag in Abbotabad destroying Pakistan's image for the next 100 years putting us into shame all over the world.