Hamas captures Fatah security HQ !

[Adux]

why western conspiracy?
just like talib and NA
Hamas and Fatah dont like each other;
Why do you think that for everything wrong with arabs and muslims there is some western hand,

 

[niaz]

why western conspiracy?
just like talib and NA
Hamas and Fatah dont like each other;
Why do you think that for everything wrong with arabs and muslims there is some western hand,

Hamas won the elections fairly and squarely but both Israel and the US refused to accept or talk to Hamas led government. There was Western pressure on Mahmoud Abbas to somehow get rid of the Hamas government. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that there is an "invisible hand" behing this flare up.

My point is that even though there may be a conspiracy; why are the people so naive that they are unable to see through this and remain united. There appears to a basic flaw in character that the vested interests can always be tempted and thus fall victim to outside powers.

Pray tell me who really gains from a disunity among the Palestinian factions if not Israel?? and who are the real losers of life and property but Palestinians themselves!! Why should Fatah dislike Hamas; if you believe in democracy you should accept people's verdict not matter how unplatable.

Therefore, my hope that people should show more tolerance of each other's point of view and resolve their difference through negotiations rather than thru gun barrel is nothing but a pipe dream.

 

[Adux]

Hamas won the elections fairly and squarely but both Israel and the US refused to accept or talk to Hamas led government. There was Western pressure on Mahmoud Abbas to somehow get rid of the Hamas government. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that there is an "invisible hand" behing this flare up.

Let me give you another conspiracy, Peace will bring extinction of a organization like Hamas, therefore they are the invisble hand, making sure there is a fight.

My point is that even though there may be a conspiracy; why are the people so naive that they are unable to see through this and remain united. There appears to a basic flaw in character that the vested interests can always be tempted and thus fall victim to outside powers.

Sir,

Do you really think they are naive, they are playing politics which suits them, that is no peace; they know israel will never be wiped off, but if they settle, that means they will be redundent and will cease to exist.

Pray tell me who really gains from a disunity among the Palestinian factions if not Israel?? and who are the real losers of life and property but Palestinians themselves!! Why should Fatah dislike Hamas; if you believe in democracy you should accept people's verdict not matter how unplatable.

Sir,

If tommrow people elect al-qeada do you expect the world to accept. I am sorry i really differ with you on this. palestinians should have known. Hamas in power , will only make the west walk away from them. People chose wrong, we all have our limitations, Do you expect the Americans and everyone to fund their own enemies.

Therefore, my hope that people should show more tolerance of each other's point of view and resolve their difference through negotiations rather than thru gun barrel is nothing but a pipe dream.

Exactly, But when has Hamas shown any politics or dialouge, their whole point is armed conflict.

 

[Adux]

U.S. set to lift Palestinian embargo By ANNE GEARAN, Associated Press Writer
11 minutes ago



WASHINGTON - The Bush administration is poised to lift its economic and diplomatic embargo against the Palestinian government in the West Bank now that a U.S.-backed moderate has evicted Islamic radicals from governance.

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Secretary of State Condoleezza Rice is expected to announce the new U.S. stance early this week, a senior U.S. official said Sunday. That announcement will coincide with a visit by Israeli Prime Minister Ehud Olmert, who is holding high-level talks in Washington beginning Monday.

The White House declined to comment Sunday, but Jacob Walles, the U.S. consul-general in Jerusalem, said Saturday that the international aid embargo imposed after Hamas won parliamentary elections last year will no longer apply to Palestinian President Mahmoud Abbas' government, and that he expected it to be lifted this week.

The U.S. move essentially would reset U.S. policy to the days before the Islamic militant group Hamas swept legislative elections in early 2006 and upended U.S. and international peacemaking. The United States, Israel and the European Union regard Hamas as a terrorist organization.

Hamas' violent takeover of the Gaza Strip last week, however, essentially split the Palestinian government. Hamas, which does not recognize Israel's right to exist, now runs Gaza, home to an estimated 1.5 million Palestinians. Abbas and his secular Fatah Party now run the West Bank. The West Bank, although much larger, also is home to estimated 1.5 million Palestinians.

That move cleared the way for the United States to resume direct aid payments to the Palestinian government, something it has refused to do so long as Hamas was a part of the government and could benefit from U.S. aid.

Five years ago, President Bush called for a separate, independent Palestine alongside Israel. He was the first U.S. president to back that notion so fully and publicly. But his administration has taken heavy criticism for letting the peace process drift while conditions worsened for the impoverished Palestinians.

"I think there was a need and a recognition to support Abbas several years ago when there was more of a chance that he could succeed as a moderate leader, and we didn't provide that kind of effort — there was not, I think, a consistent plan to do that," Sen. Jack Reed (news, bio, voting record), D-R.I., a member of the Senate Armed Services Committee, said Sunday on CNN's "Late Edition." "And today, he (Abbas) finds himself overwhelmed in Gaza by Hamas."

Gaza was long the seat of power for Hamas while the West Bank is a stronghold for Fatah, the party of former Palestinian Leader Yasser Arafat.

Some in the United States and in Europe have advocated a policy dubbed the "West Bank first" in which the West Bank would stand as an example of what a future Palestinian state could be. Critics on the other side say that leaves Palestinians living in the Gaza Strip without international aid. Europeans oppose this idea, and others worry it would leave the Gaza Strip open to funding and influence from Iran and Syria.

After losing Gaza in a swift, five-day Hamas assault on his forces, Abbas moved quickly to cement his rule in the West Bank. He replaced the prime minister, Ismail Haniyeh of Hamas, with Finance Minister Salam Fayyad, a U.S.-educated, internationally respected economist.

Fayyad then moved forward with plans to form an emergency government — a move that Hamas has deemed illegal. The new government was sworn in by Sunday.

"I think Fayyad, the newly named prime minister, is a serious, serious person with real capability," Sen. Joseph Biden (news, bio, voting record), D-Del, said Sunday on ABC's "This Week." "I think we should be supporting him. I'm confident the Israelis are going to do that, but it's a very difficult situation.

"We have to do what we can, along with the Israelis, to ease the burden on the West Bank to give Abbas and Fayyad an opportunity to demonstrate some progress while containing Hamas in Gaza."

The State Department began hinting about the coming shift on Friday, but a statement from the United States and other nations working toward Mideast peace on Saturday made no mention of a resumption in aid.

The Bush administration has quickly pressed Israel to ease its freeze on tax revenues it collects monthly on behalf of the Palestinian Authority. It is not clear whether Israel will make that move now, but the tax receipts are expected to be discussed during Olmert's visit with Rice and Bush's national security adviser Stephen Hadley on Monday and with the president on Tuesday.

In New York on Sunday, Olmert said his country would be a "genuine partner" of a new Palestinian government and promised to consider releasing the hundreds of millions of dollars in frozen tax funds.

The senior U.S. official, who spoke on condition of anonymity to describe internal discussions, said that any U.S. gestures toward Abbas will be made independently of Israel.

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Associated Press Writer Deb Riechmann contributed to this report.
http://news.yahoo.com/s/ap/20070618/ap_on_go_ca_st_pe/us_mideast

I need a conspiracy theory for this development.

 

[Bull]

This selective choosing of governments seems to be quite endemic for the U.S. it used to any left leaning governments that got "deposed" (see most of south and central america for the mess that was left there.) And any Islamic govt or party can be deposed despite claims of supporting democracy.

The exception seems to be a)ex Israeli terrorists who bombed British troops and then went on to politics.
b)Irish terrorists who bombed everyone and went on to politics

Why is US supporting Mushraff insptie of he overthrowing the CJ and holding on to rwo posts which is barred under the constitution?

As per your definition, Mushraff has to be a puppet then, right?

 

[Bull]

Always neutral let me say this much. Quoting the Daily Mail is not the greatest of ideas. It is one of the most xenophobic newspapers out there. It is also very pro-Israel so it's journalists are not a good place to start. Bring a broadsheet to the argument and I will listen.

Speaking about links and credible source? MBI Munshi is a reference pt for all these.

 

[Bull]

Hamas won the elections fairly and squarely but both Israel and the US refused to accept or talk to Hamas led government.

How do you expect israel to talk to them. hamas doesnt accept their very existance, right? So they were left with no choice.

There was Western pressure on Mahmoud Abbas to somehow get rid of the Hamas government. Therefore it is reasonable to assume that there is an "invisible hand" behing this flare up.

Ofcourse yes that was in their interest to see a west hating govt been thrown out. Intl politics has nothing to do with ' right or wrong' its all about ' with me or not'.

 

[Bull]

I would be happy to see Palestine ending up as two states totally. One west backed Palestinean state udner fatah and the other under hamas. Its even more practical. Both are geographically cut off.

 

[BanglaBhoot]

Speaking about links and credible source? MBI Munshi is a reference pt for all these.

That was sneaky. Making snide remarks about me on a thread that I have not previously posted on. You were hoping I would not see your comment. Really underhand and dishonest. Anyway have a look at the following news article -

Hamas uncovers PA, CIA intel trove

Hamas has uncovered a trove of thousands of documents, including classified correspondence with Israeli forces.

Informationliberation – June 19, 2007

After seizing the Palestinian Authority's Security headquarters in Gaza City on Thursday afternoon, Hamas fighters report they have seized tens of thousands of sensitive intelligence documents, including correspondence between the PA, the American CIA, and the Zionists regarding security issues.

Hamas officials said the newly found information would help them battle the Israeli regime's surveillance tactics.

A Hamas member said he and his men removed thousands of documents, video tapes and equipment from the compound. "I saw my name appeared at least four times in the intelligence documents - related to attempts to take me out. I saw details of surveillance against me and joint Fatah-Israeli plans to thwart our operations."

"If we release these documents, the entire world will be shocked, not just the Palestinians. The dozens of armored vehicles, RPG launchers and rockets, the hundreds of thousands of bullets we have - they are all nothing compared to the documents and data discs we uncovered."

"There are video tapes of surveillance against our fighters and their homes, wiretaps on our calls, the PA's entire method of operation has been exposed," he said.

The Hamas man said that the documents also implicate several Arab nations of involvement in the internal Palestinian power-struggle in an attempt to impair Hamas.

According to the Hamas source the papers also document the PA's cooperation with the CIA against Palestinian organizations, especially Hamas.

Releasing the documents would entail the approval of the Hamas leadership, said the Hamas source, noting that the documents would be used to prove the justness of Hamas' fight against the Palestinian security forces.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22521

 

[Bull]

Speaking about links and credible source? MBI Munshi is a reference pt for all these.

That was sneaky. Making snide remarks about me on a thread that I have not previously posted on. You were hoping I would not see your comment. Really underhand and dishonest. Anyway have a look at the following news article -

Exactly what i said. Thanks anyways.

http://www.informationliberation.com/?id=22521

 

[thorosius]

Nobody likes a stranger occuping their land. Everyone will fight the occupiers (I don't know about Hindus though). So it is no shock when Hamas kills Jews, they have their right to defend their land and liberate occupied areas. Hindus should know, they have 7 lakh army tied to Kashmir.

 

[Bull]

Nobody likes a stranger occuping their land. Everyone will fight the occupiers (I don't know about Hindus though). So it is no shock when Hamas kills Jews, they have their right to defend their land and liberate occupied areas. Hindus should know, they have 7 lakh army tied to Kashmir.

7 lakh army in Kashmir.. We have only 10 lakh in total. Who is manning the chineese and the remianing pak border?

 

[Adux]

Why dont Pakistan just a drop an atom bomb on the 7 lac indians, who are standing together in that spaceless valley, and just walk into new delhi and take over india

 

[Bull]

Why dont Pakistan just a drop an atom bomb on the 7 lac indians, who are standing together in that spaceless valley, and just walk into new delhi and take over india

hey...where does ur loyality lie? dont give them loopholes in our plans!!!

 

[thorosius]

Ofcourse you won't admit it. Admitting it means that in order to successfully suppress 15 lakh Kashmiri Muslims you need 7 lakh soldiers. Doesn't depict a nice picture of your army.