Hamas battle with Al Qaeda radicals kills 13, injures 100

[gambit]

Sad news, Palestinians dont have any leadership and support from muslim countries.

Al Fatah and Hamas both may be agreed on two state solution , which is against the cause of palestine ,we should fight for each and every inch of Palestine for liberation.

I take it you are preparing yourself for that battle.

 

[waraich66]

I take it you are preparing yourself for that battle.

It is not only my desire but desire of whole muslim world to liberate Palestine, do you allow jews to declare independent state in USA?

We will get Palestine without battle soon , no need to kill mouse with canon

 

[Thomas]

It is not only my desire but desire of whole muslim world to liberate Palestine, do you allow jews to declare independent state in USA?

We will get Palestine without battle soon , no need to kill mouse with canon

please explain what you mean? We would love to know......

 

[TOPGUN]

Hahah mouse with cannon !

 

[waraich66]

please explain what you mean? We would love to know......

I love to tell you but you could not understand until you see the with your eyes -----.

Who saved Musa AS and bani Israel from pheroh and his 17 lac army?

 

[Zulfiqar]

To Thomas:

If the Gazans were really against Hamas then we would have had seen a revolution against them by now. Which is exactly what Israel wants by starving the palestinians. Even the puppet government of Egypt is at it.

please explain what you mean? We would love to know......

Well you know the concept of Armageddon. We strongly have faith in somewhat similar concept. Lets not discuss religion here because of complex issues that come with it.

 

[Thomas]

To Thomas:
If the Gazans were really against Hamas then we would have had seen a revolution against them by now. Which is exactly what Israel wants by starving the Palestinians. Even the puppet government of Egypt is at it.

Not really, Hamas is very well armed and trained by Iran. There is resistance though as far as a division between the west bank controlled by Fatah. and Gaza controlled by Hamas. And not only Egypt is against Hamas. Most of the Arab league is as well. Hamas gets it's main support from Iran, Syria, and Hezbollah. With Iran influencing and controlling them all. The rest of the Arab league support Fatah. as far as the religious aspect that just confirms it is a religious war and not over land, Judaism/Christianity v Islam. My hat off to you for at least admitting that.

 

[Zulfiqar]

as far as the religious aspect that just confirms it is a religious war and not over land, Judaism/Christianity v Islam. My hat off to you for at least admitting that.

In the short run yes it is over the land because Palestinians live in that land and they have been forced out of their houses/farms. The walls have been constructed and the living conditions are like one in an open air prison. This open air prison will soon get over crowded.

The arabs may not be that anti hamas as you say they are.

For Example KSA wants them to stand united.

Palestinian split stalling move toward state: Saudi monarch


RIYADH (AFP)

Saudi King Abdullah bin Abdulaziz told Palestinian president Mahmoud Abbas that the split within the Palestinians' ranks is more damaging to their cause of an independent state than the Israeli "enemy."

In a letter to Abbas marking his Fatah party's first congress in 20 years, the Saudi king stressed that all Palestinian factions need to come together to make an independent Palestinian state possible.

"The arrogant and criminal enemy was not able, during years of continued aggression, to hurt the Palestinian cause as much as the Palestinians hurt their cause themselves in the past few months," Abdullah said in the letter released through the official SPA news agency late Tuesday.


"I can honestly tell you, brothers, that even if the whole world joins to found a Palestinian independent state, and if we have full support for that, this state would not be established as long as the Palestinians are divided."

"This letter from the holy land does not represent my sentiments alone but the sentiments of one thousand million Arabs and Muslims who see their greatest issue is the Palestinian issue."

Saudi Arabia has in recent weeks come under criticism from Israel and some U.S. officials for not doing enough to help restart peace talks between the Palestinians and Israelis.

But Riyadh maintains that Israel's refusal to halt settlement expansion and evictions of Palestinians is the primary barrier to getting talks underway.

Fatah, which is at the helm of the Palestinian Authority, exercised undivided power among Palestinians before it was trounced by the rival Islamist Hamas movement in the 2006 legislative election.

Middle East News | Split Palestinians hurt their cause: Saudi King


The fight in the long run, well we all know about it so lets not discuss it.

 

[shravan]

Hamas is very well armed and trained by Iran.

Any Links from a reliable source for the bold part ?
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Added later: I found the article.

 

[Thomas]

Any Links from a reliable source for the bold part ?
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Added later: I found the article.

of course:

http://www.timesonline.co.uk/tol/news/world/middle_east/article3512014.ece

 

[shravan]

of course:

Hamas wages Iran’s proxy war on Israel - Times Online

Ya I read it. If true things are more complicated then it seems.

 

[gambit]

please explain what you mean? We would love to know......

It means he is all talk and no walk.

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It is not only my desire but desire of whole muslim world to liberate Palestine, do you allow jews to declare independent state in USA?

We will get Palestine without battle soon , no need to kill mouse with canon

Kid...I am no stranger to the reality and horrors of war. If merely being in the middle of war or caught in a battle qualify one as a 'veteran' then I have been a 'veteran' since five years old from the Tet Offensive of 1968. There are three scars on my body from a grenade from another battle a few years later. Then as an adult I saw the results of the Iraqi army on the Kuwaitis in Desert Storm. It was muslims set on muslims -- God willed (Inshallah) that some horrific misfortunes be meted out to these people and let us all praise Him (Allahu Akbar) that we were chosen to be the instruments of His divine wrath -- Then the infidels showed up and spoiled the gang rape, figuratively and literally, of the Kuwaitis.

People like me are quite cynical every time we read or hear people like you talk, literally or figuratively, about 'liberating' some people suffering some injustice somewhere. You do the talking from the physical comfort of your home, probably in some Western country that give you more respect than the petty despotic regimes people like you are known for would give any one else who is not a muslim. When the arguments come to be a challenge for you to back up your hot air, your cowardice can only give you and us vague answers and explanations as to why you are the 'armchair warrior' and nothing more.

 

[waraich66]

It means he is all talk and no walk.

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Kid...I am no stranger to the reality and horrors of war. If merely being in the middle of war or caught in a battle qualify one as a 'veteran' then I have been a 'veteran' since five years old from the Tet Offensive of 1968. There are three scars on my body from a grenade from another battle a few years later. Then as an adult I saw the results of the Iraqi army on the Kuwaitis in Desert Storm. It was muslims set on muslims -- God willed (Inshallah) that some horrific misfortunes be meted out to these people and let us all praise Him (Allahu Akbar) that we were chosen to be the instruments of His divine wrath -- Then the infidels showed up and spoiled the gang rape, figuratively and literally, of the Kuwaitis.

People like me are quite cynical every time we read or hear people like you talk, literally or figuratively, about 'liberating' some people suffering some injustice somewhere. You do the talking from the physical comfort of your home, probably in some Western country that give you more respect than the petty despotic regimes people like you are known for would give any one else who is not a muslim. When the arguments come to be a challenge for you to back up your hot air, your cowardice can only give you and us vague answers and explanations as to why you are the 'armchair warrior' and nothing more.

Dear sir,

First of all your concept about warrior is not acceptable to me, person who fought wars are only great warrior , for me those who have given their whole life for service of humanity are greater warriors.

Reality will open when our eyes closed then we realise who was riding the horse and who was on donkey.


Some time we get confused to see the results , Allah has created this world Makafat e Amal (every action has reward or punishment) , what muslim ummah is suffering is due to their own wrong actions for example world has seen distruction of Iraq many times , ie Changez Khan attacked and killed 20 lac muslims in six weeks and again in 2003 but this time destroyer was different.

Question is why muslim countries are under foriegn agression?

Iran destroyed by Iraq,Kuwait destroyed by Iraq, Iraq destroyed by US, Afghanistan destroyed by Russia and now under attack by ISAF?



It is our believe that war between Haq(Right) and Batil(Evil) shall continue uptill last day (dome day).

Muslim nation have to undergo through different phases of examinations,but ultimate victory will be those who are true followers.

So please dont mind from my few brief answers because of limitation of this forum .

Regards,

 

[muse]

Question is why muslim countries are under foriegn agression?

Iran destroyed by Iraq,Kuwait destroyed by Iraq, Iraq destroyed by US, Afghanistan destroyed by Russia and now under attack by ISAF?

It is our believe that war between Haq(Right) and Batil(Evil) shall continue uptill last day (dome day).

Muslim nation have to undergo through different phases of examinations,but ultimate victory will be those who are true followers.

So please dont mind from my few brief answers because of limitation of this forum .

A more honest and more dangerous mindset, I cannot recall. It is because of these dangerous mindsets that bring about national failure and invite intervention. So long as these mindsets continue to poison impressionable peoples, be sure that those threatened will react.

 

[waraich66]

A more honest and more dangerous mindset, I cannot recall. It is because of these dangerous mindsets that bring about national failure and invite intervention. So long as these mindsets continue to poison impressionable peoples, be sure that those threatened will react.

Why you think it is dangrous mind set?

You dont have believe on dome day?
You dont have belive on last great war between jews and muslims/cristians?

Your angle or frame of mind may be different ?