HAL upgrades LCA project to boost production

[ni8mare]

Isn't it HAL Tejas?

ohhh..i am talking about AWACS by drdo...that is what trawllu is talking about

 

[The Huskar]

Isn't it HAL Tejas?

Radar design and development is usually the area of expertise of CABS.And now that they have experience from AEW&CS they can do it much better and faster.

 

[Parul]

ohhh..i am talking about AWACS by drdo...that is what trawllu is talking about

I commented on LCA only.

 

[proud_indian]

Isn't it HAL Tejas?

nope it's designed by (ADA Aeronautical Development Agency)

 

[kaykay]

Thanks Sir...One question...what will be the range for target detection and how many targets it can track and engage...?

Well range should be around 140-150 km for 5 m2 considering nose cone radius of Tejas.

 

[Trawllu]

DRDO AEW&CS radar is huge and miniaturizing this will be a mammoth task if not impossible.It is much better to start with a new architecture and system processing design than developing a old one.

we are discussing 2 things here simultaneously

1. bigger version of AWE&C - indian AWACS a la phalcon
2. Aesa for tejas Mk2

while the 2nd is difficult not impossible

both will happen in time bound manner

Well range should be around 140-150 km for 5 m2 considering nose cone radius of Tejas.

no the norm for range is always 5m2 internationally

but IAF uses the standar of 2m2

and for indegenous products i am sure they will apply the 2m2 standard

dont believe me check it out

I commented on LCA only.

you said wake me up when the plane is ready

iplane = awacs as tejas is already ready (only Aesa needs to be developed)

if you had said when Aesa is ready for tejas ..... no confusion

 

[The Huskar]

we are discussing 2 things here simultaneously

1. bigger version of AWE&C - indian AWACS a la phalcon
2. Aesa for tejas Mk2

while the 2nd is difficult not impossible

both will happen in time bound manner

1.bigger version of AEW&CS is possible without any doubt but not feasible.It does not have 360 degree coverage and so blind spot will be there.you will just increase its coverage radius.
2.AESA for Tejas MK2 is very long way off.By then technology enhancement would make us self sufficient in radar(i guess)

 

[Trawllu]

@Abingdonboy is it true that Indian Airforce not accepting it's delivery or DRDO + HAL doing what it does best?

DRDO ready to deliver AEW&C to Air Force | idrw.org

1.bigger version of AEW&CS is possible without any doubt but not feasible.It does not have 360 degree coverage and so blind spot will be there.you will just increase its coverage radius.

That is the whole point of indain AWACS - 360 degree coverage
and longer range
large no of traget tracking and engagement

 

[ni8mare]

1.bigger version of AEW&CS is possible without any doubt but not feasible.It does not have 360 degree coverage and so blind spot will be there.you will just increase its coverage radius.
2.AESA for Tejas MK2 is very long way off.By then technology enhancement would make us self sufficient in radar(i guess)

1. bigger version he meant is rota dome style AEWCS like phalcon which will have 360 degree coverage based on airbus or Boeing...

 

[jarves]

New Delhi: India is soon to begin its second phase of indigenous AEW&CS (Airborne Early Warning and Control System) programme. The government has given necessary sanctions for the project.

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Disclosing this, the DRDO Chief Dr. V. K. Saraswat in an exclusive interview toBharat Defence Kavach, told that this project will be called AEW&CS India and will be developed alike the three Phalcon AEW&C systems acquired from Israel.

“For phase-2 of our AEW&CS programme, which we call AEW&CS India, the government has just given necessary sanctions,” Saraswat said, adding that once the clearance is given, DRDO will select a platform based upon the radar configuration. He then also said that full clearance by the government is very much in the process.

To counter threat from the adversaries, DRDO has two pronged approach to build indigenous Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS) capabilities. In the first phase, DRDO has developed a radar system which will be mounted on board Brazilian Embraer aircraft. Three such aircraft have been acquired and the first of these three will land in India this month end.

The first phase of AWACS will have capability to do surveillance in limited sectors and it will have a limited endurance. “This programme is going on very well. The first aircraft is now landing in India in the last week of July. It will be followed by integration of our radar on board. A dummy radar has already been integrated in Brazil on the platform and we have found that all parameters and integration activities of aircraft have performed beautifully,” he said.

Keeping external threat in mind, the AWACS project is a priority project for DRDO. Two more Embraer145 jet aircraft are coming next year. In the mean while, the indigenous radars are also getting ready for integration on them. Dr. Saraswat told that three of these systems will be completely operational by 2014-15.

DRDO Chief told that the active phased radar working on synthetic aperture mode which is developed indigenously can be comparable to the best in the world. He said that the indigenous radar is Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. It completely scans electronically; it can take images and send to the ground control centers. It has all the features which an airborne surveillance system should have.

On the AEW&CS India project, Saraswat told that DRDO will be developing a complete 360 degree surveillance system.
“Technology which we have realized for the AWACS programme will be directly applicable in the second phase of the project except that the configuration will be to ensure that we have a 360 degree coverage. It will have larger power and larger reach in terms of the surveillance capability,” he said.

On asking whether the indigenously developed AESA radar could also be integrated with the indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas , Saraswat said, “ The work is already on and the Tejas Mark-2 will have nothing but the AESA radar. In fact recently when I was in our lab LRDE, they showed me 1/8 size of RA which is already operational in the same frequency band delivering certain amount of power with the TR (Transmitter & Receiver) modules. The work on the development of AESA for LCA is on.”

The DRDO developed AESA radar will be of same size and volume of the present radar integrated on Tejas Mark-1. Once the work starts for the Mark-2 of Tejas aircraft, the old radar will be simply replaced by the indigenous AESA radar.

“Now we can configure small as well as large AESA radar. The advantage of AESA is that as you increase the numbers of TR modules, the more power you get,” said Dr, Saraswat.

It is claimed that the Indian AESA radar can be compared with the best in the world in terms of resolution, performance and electronic warfare capability. The basic element of AESA radar which are the TR modules are being produced today by Bharat Electronics and other private industries in India.

This is like 3 year old article.

 

[jha]

New Delhi: India is soon to begin its second phase of indigenous AEW&CS (Airborne Early Warning and Control System) programme. The government has given necessary sanctions for the project.

View attachment 109328​

Disclosing this, the DRDO Chief Dr. V. K. Saraswat in an exclusive interview toBharat Defence Kavach, told that this project will be called AEW&CS India and will be developed alike the three Phalcon AEW&C systems acquired from Israel.

“For phase-2 of our AEW&CS programme, which we call AEW&CS India, the government has just given necessary sanctions,” Saraswat said, adding that once the clearance is given, DRDO will select a platform based upon the radar configuration. He then also said that full clearance by the government is very much in the process.

To counter threat from the adversaries, DRDO has two pronged approach to build indigenous Airborne Warning & Control System (AWACS) capabilities. In the first phase, DRDO has developed a radar system which will be mounted on board Brazilian Embraer aircraft. Three such aircraft have been acquired and the first of these three will land in India this month end.

The first phase of AWACS will have capability to do surveillance in limited sectors and it will have a limited endurance. “This programme is going on very well. The first aircraft is now landing in India in the last week of July. It will be followed by integration of our radar on board. A dummy radar has already been integrated in Brazil on the platform and we have found that all parameters and integration activities of aircraft have performed beautifully,” he said.

Keeping external threat in mind, the AWACS project is a priority project for DRDO. Two more Embraer145 jet aircraft are coming next year. In the mean while, the indigenous radars are also getting ready for integration on them. Dr. Saraswat told that three of these systems will be completely operational by 2014-15.

DRDO Chief told that the active phased radar working on synthetic aperture mode which is developed indigenously can be comparable to the best in the world. He said that the indigenous radar is Active Electronically Scanned Array (AESA) radar. It completely scans electronically; it can take images and send to the ground control centers. It has all the features which an airborne surveillance system should have.

On the AEW&CS India project, Saraswat told that DRDO will be developing a complete 360 degree surveillance system.
“Technology which we have realized for the AWACS programme will be directly applicable in the second phase of the project except that the configuration will be to ensure that we have a 360 degree coverage. It will have larger power and larger reach in terms of the surveillance capability,” he said.

On asking whether the indigenously developed AESA radar could also be integrated with the indigenous light combat aircraft Tejas , Saraswat said, “ The work is already on and the Tejas Mark-2 will have nothing but the AESA radar. In fact recently when I was in our lab LRDE, they showed me 1/8 size of RA which is already operational in the same frequency band delivering certain amount of power with the TR (Transmitter & Receiver) modules. The work on the development of AESA for LCA is on.”

The DRDO developed AESA radar will be of same size and volume of the present radar integrated on Tejas Mark-1. Once the work starts for the Mark-2 of Tejas aircraft, the old radar will be simply replaced by the indigenous AESA radar.

“Now we can configure small as well as large AESA radar. The advantage of AESA is that as you increase the numbers of TR modules, the more power you get,” said Dr, Saraswat.

It is claimed that the Indian AESA radar can be compared with the best in the world in terms of resolution, performance and electronic warfare capability. The basic element of AESA radar which are the TR modules are being produced today by Bharat Electronics and other private industries in India.

This is too old an article.

There were talks that first few batches of Mk-2 will not have AESA. They will be fitted with EL-2032 derived Radars just like Mk-I as the home grown AESA will not be ready by then. This shows how much progress we have made. This is why I was skeptical about doing everything ourselves for LCA. We could have easily got an already developed Radar like Selex-Raven or, could have tried to develop El-2052 . But this new director of DRDO is as usual over confident and MK-2 may very well come 3-4 years late.

 

[trident2010]

Good news !!

 

[Dillinger]

There is no French involvement in the Kaveri program, Snecma and GTRE were unable to reach an agreement in that regard. The article is dated and inaccurate in terms of details contained within.

 

[Abingdonboy]

@Abingdonboy is it true that Indian Airforce not accepting it's delivery or DRDO + HAL doing what it does best?

For LCA, no this isn't the case- the LCA is still yet to meet the full FOC standard (will do soon) but this is not the IAF's doing.

As for the CABS AWACS, the IAF is going to take delivery within a few weeks- nothing to worry about on this front.

 

[Trawllu]

As for the CABS AWACS, the IAF is going to take delivery within a few weeks- nothing to worry about on this front.

as such there is nothing to worry about it

The point is they knew they were getting these planes still they dont have the staff ready

but it only shows the poor planning and management at IAF - the very 2 attributes which we accuse DRDO / HAL etc of having

BTW they are not accepting the plane in few weeks but rather end of Dec or jan