HAL Tejas | Updates, News & Discussions-[Thread 2]

[RPK]

 

[GuardianRED]

Full video here!

http://www.ndtv.com/video/shows/wal...-team-of-hindustan-aeronautics-limited-435005

 

[The Huskar]

Any news regarding FOC??
I am tired of expecting good news from this programme.

 

[Ram Mahadev]

If India looking F 16 or Gripen for Mig 21 then LCA is dead horse .

We have room for some 400-450 new single engine fighter more advanced Tejas will be produced for ever. Tejas is our permanent Single engine fighter today tommo and for future. With more upgrades.

Our Plan Single engine forever Tejas

Twin engine medium multi role - AMCA

Twin engine Strategic and Heavy air superiority - PAK FA AKA FGFA

In addition we will keep adding more advanced fighters from all around the world to have technical edge. U should be worried what PAF will do? More technology More Money More Maintenance cost etc. U can't even buy 8 F16 . But keep foul mouthing Tejas? Ur Block 3 is our normal Tejas MK1A already ordered.

 

[migflug]

PKS on Tejas Mk2:

Those who are touting the Tejas Mk.1 are all talking about using the existing airframe of Tejas Mk.1 & trying to tweak it, which is a physical impossibility. There has to be a Tejas Mk.2 because GE Aero Engines has already started deliveries of the F414INS6 tuirbofans since June 2015. What will happen to these turbofans if they aren’t used? Be displayed as showpieces in street roundabouts?

Can anyone confirm that we are getting F414 ? @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Gessler . If we are getting F414 , it means eventually we will have mk2 , then why go for another single engine fighter. It makes no sense in having both Tejas mk 2 and Gripen NG/ F16 , as both are more or less of same weight category.It can be comfortable with tejas mk1a + gripen/f16 , but having mk1a +mk2 + gripen/f16 is ridiculous.
Though i think its mostly about MII and developing private aerospace system , it dosent make sense if we are certainly going for mk2. We could have increased mk1a numbers till mk2 come to fruition.
@PARIKRAMA Your thoughts

 

[PARIKRAMA]

PKS on Tejas Mk2:

Those who are touting the Tejas Mk.1 are all talking about using the existing airframe of Tejas Mk.1 & trying to tweak it, which is a physical impossibility. There has to be a Tejas Mk.2 because GE Aero Engines has already started deliveries of the F414INS6 tuirbofans since June 2015. What will happen to these turbofans if they aren’t used? Be displayed as showpieces in street roundabouts?

Can anyone confirm that we are getting F414 ? @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Gessler . If we are getting F414 , it means eventually we will have mk2 , then why go for another single engine fighter. It makes no sense in having both Tejas mk 2 and Gripen NG/ F16 , as both are more or less of same weight category.It can be comfortable with tejas mk1a + gripen/f16 , but having mk1a +mk2 + gripen/f16 is ridiculous.
Though i think its mostly about MII and developing private aerospace system , it dosent make sense if we are certainly going for mk2. We could have increased mk1a numbers till mk2 come to fruition.
@PARIKRAMA Your thoughts

As far as i know even Ge 404 deliveries are incomplete .. i remember reading some place initially we ordered just 24 404 engines for prototypes and first couple of LCA birds.. Then plan was to order some 100 more.. in batches ..

We did commit to buy 99 Ge414 back in 2012 but i dont remember any commercial contract for the same.. in fact if i recall the deal was some $820 odd Mn for 99 engines but still i dont recall anywhere hearing or reading it being signed.. Of course it might be hidden as well from public eyes..

Might be PKS thought 414 , it might be 404.. possible oversight..

 

[migflug]

PKS on Tejas Mk2:

Those who are touting the Tejas Mk.1 are all talking about using the existing airframe of Tejas Mk.1 & trying to tweak it, which is a physical impossibility. There has to be a Tejas Mk.2 because GE Aero Engines has already started deliveries of the F414INS6 tuirbofans since June 2015. What will happen to these turbofans if they aren’t used? Be displayed as showpieces in street roundabouts?

Can anyone confirm that we are getting F414 ? @PARIKRAMA @Abingdonboy @Gessler . If we are getting F414 , it means eventually we will have mk2 , then why go for another single engine fighter. It makes no sense in having both Tejas mk 2 and Gripen NG/ F16 , as both are more or less of same weight category.It can be comfortable with tejas mk1a + gripen/f16 , but having mk1a +mk2 + gripen/f16 is ridiculous.
Though i think its mostly about MII and developing private aerospace system , it dosent make sense if we are certainly going for mk2. We could have increased mk1a numbers till mk2 come to fruition.
@PARIKRAMA Your thoughts

First Tejas Mark II engine to arrive in September
US refusing to cooperate on Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft engine; defence ministry floating global tender
Ajai Shukla | New Delhi July 6, 2015 Last Updated at 00:27 IST


The plan to develop a more powerful, modernised version of the current Tejas fighter is getting a welcome boost. In September, US engine-maker General Electric (GE) plans to deliver the first F-414INS6 engine (hereafter F-414), which will power the Tejas Mark II.

The F-414 engine's maximum power output of 98 kiloNewtons (kN) will make the Tejas Mark II faster and nimbler than the current Mark I fighter, which gets just 84 kN of peak power from its GE F-404IN engine. The F-414 will also provide the burst of power needed for the Naval Tejas to take off from an aircraft carrier deck on 200 metres of runway.




In 2010, the Aeronautical Development Agency (ADA), which manages the Tejas programme, chose GE over Eurojet to supply 99 engines for the Tejas Mark II. Of these, 16 are being delivered fully-built, so that ADA can build prototypes of the Mark II fighter for ground and flight test programmes.

Meanwhile, Hindustan Aeronautics (HAL) will establish a facility to manufacture the remaining 83 engines in Bengaluru. With the Indian Air Force (IAF) and navy likely to order at least 160 Tejas Mark II fighters, the HAL facility could eventually build about 700 engines (assuming a fighter uses 3.5 engines in its service life).

ALSO READ: Outgoing Tejas chief says Mark II will fly in three years, enter IAF service in six

For now, ADA is welcoming the arrival of the first F-414 engines. This will allow it to start building the first Mark II prototype, which it plans to fly within three years, that is, by 2018-19. ADA says it will hand over the first production fighter to the IAF within six years, that is, by 2021-22. HAL Bengaluru is building the first 20 Tejas Mark I fighters, which were contracted in 2007. In 2010, the IAF committed itself to another 20 Mark I fighters, which will be contracted when the Tejas gets final operational clearance, probably by March 2016. These 40 fighters will use the F-404 engine.

Not everyone believes the Tejas Mark II, powered by the F-414, is a good idea.

Aerospace experts like Pushpinder Singh of Vayu Magazine say the benefits of the more powerful F-414 would be negated by its additional weight and the re-design of the Tejas that they say will be needed to accommodate the engine.

Experts also argue the Tejas' constricted air intake will prevent the F-414 from sucking in the air it requires, even with extensive redesign. In that case, the engine would not deliver its rated 98 kN thrust.

Rejecting this view, GE and ADA officials say they will accommodate the F-414 without problem or extensive redesign, and that it will perform to its designed potential.

Their claim is supported by the engine data on the GE website (see graphic), which indicates the F-414 is no larger than the F-404. Nor is it significantly heavier, says ADA.

While GE has bagged the deal to supply India the F-414, an even bigger prize could prove elusive - the supply of a more powerful version of the F-414 for the Advanced Medium Combat Aircraft (AMCA), a fifth-generation medium fighter that ADA plans to develop, with the IAF standing ready to buy 200.

As Business Standard reported (June 1, "Carter to face Indian demand for engine technology") the defence ministry has asked the United States to let the Defence Research and Development Organisation work with GE in jointly upgrading the F-414 to a rating of 110 KN of peak power. ADA believes the AMCA needs 220 kN of peak power from its twin engines.

This is welcomed by GE, which had earlier worked for the US Navy on upgrading the F-414 to a 116 kN engine designated F-414 enhanced engine.

With that project now shelved, GE would like to see it revived with Indian partnership, funding and a large assured market.

Yet, Washington is stonewalling the Indian request, even though the two countries had established a "joint working group" to explore cooperation in engine design during President Obama's visit to India in January.

A disappointed Indian defence ministry is now issuing a global tender, inviting aero engine firms to co-develop a suitable engine with the DRDO.

Senior defence ministry sources say that Eurojet, the European consortium whose EJ200 engine lost out to GE's F-414 in the contest to power the Tejas Mark II, has satisfied the DRDO it can uprate the EJ200 to 110 kN.

Snecma, the French company that builds the Rafale's M-88 engine, will also be issued a tender. However the M-88, which currently generates 75 kN of thrust, cannot be uprated beyond 105 kN.

"Fighters are designed around a pre-selected engine. We will issue the tender quickly and select an engine for the AMCA so that the programme does not get delayed. If Washington chooses to deny India engine technology by preventing GE from working with the DRDO, that will have its own implications," a top defence ministry official says.


If the engines F414 have already arrived , then what wil happen to those in light of a new single engine fighter programme. Is any development going on mk2? Or will it go wasted or maybe we can use it on gripen NG?

 

[mkb95]

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[salarsikander]

So the thread becomes 17 and tejas dik measuring comtest

 

[Allen Iverson]

So the thread becomes 17 and tejas dik measuring comtest

It wasn't untill your post..

 

[ashok321]

Death blow to the indigenous light combat aircraft (LCA) programme?

http://economictimes.indiatimes.com...hter-production-line/articleshow/54945552.cms

 

[Water Car Engineer]

IAF Day

Tejas Trainer At LEH

 

[GORKHALI]

The LCA Tejas SP-1 during the Air Force Day Celebrations flown by Group Captain Madhav Rangachari performing a steep pull right after the takeoff demonstrated the Aircraft's ability to Climb Rapidly to Desired Altitude

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[rockstarIN]

omplimenting the effort put on by everybody back home, here we present an image of Tejas carrying two 1000 lbs MK-11 bombs in TANDEM for the first time for an exclusive test flight to know what happens when one released in presence of the other.
We take this opportunity to dedicate this image to the armament designers and all associated in designing and realizing a special pylon for this configuration. Days will not be far when there will be six of these heavier stores on-board. This is a step closer.

#JaiHind
#TejasOfficialArchive #Tejas_LCA #NFTC #IADN

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[sathya]

omplimenting the effort put on by everybody back home, here we present an image of Tejas carrying two 1000 lbs MK-11 bombs in TANDEM for the first time for an exclusive test flight to know what happens when one released in presence of the other.
We take this opportunity to dedicate this image to the armament designers and all associated in designing and realizing a special pylon for this configuration. Days will not be far when there will be six of these heavier stores on-board. This is a step closer.

#JaiHind
#TejasOfficialArchive #Tejas_LCA #NFTC #IADN

Disclaimer: Please share the Post only with the Tags and Write Up. Kindly do not Edit or Reproduce this Image in any manner. Copyright: #ADA

If we have dual rails in next pylon for BVR,
It will be wonderful..