Gun battles on the LOC continuing thread.

[Areesh]

5 Indian soldiers killed in recent skirmishes , 1 Captain injured .

- Lance Naik Yogesh Muralidhar
- Sepoy Mandeep Sing
-Lance naik Sam Abraham
-Head Constable A Suresh
- head constable Jagpal Singh
- 1 Army Captain Injured .

You forgot 1 BSF guy who was killed on his birthday.

 

[Windjammer]

Pakistani soldiers executing their duty of keeping Indians warm this winter.

 

[waz]

there are official communications plenty of them coming from your military after these kind of month long exchanges/bat actions etc., also at same time pakistan starts asking international agencies to intervene.
There seems to be effort from pakistani military to start expanding the ring to plain areas near Jammu and north Panjab seems likely to be a political motivation so near to 26th Jan.
Rest assured Indian army has much bigger firepower in every single front so we all know what will happen at the end going by the history for almost every single clash between two neighbors.

No there hasn't been in recent times and Pakistan outright denied Indian media reports recently of a DGMO meeting, Pakistan tried diplomacy, it didn't work. Things have changed now.
India does have a slight advantage there's no doubt about that, but it's not overwhelming and in mountainous terrain it is muted, considering need vast numbers are needed to launch successful assaults, which India does not have or currently plan to expand to.
Clashes in history? Please don't bring that in here, but anyway it currently stands at two stalemates and a win India.

 

[Imran Khan]

indian side of LOC

 

[waz]

indian side of LOC

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Civilian or military?

 

[Tumba]

It's not a question of being on the top or bottom.
You can't deny the fact that Pakistan is pretty much occupied on it's Western border fighting the WOT.
Why would Pakistan raise tension on the Eastern border, in reality your so called democracy always indulges in these actions to divert attention from other issues, did Pakistan threaten a nuclear strike on India .....so what was the purpose of your war lord boxing above his weight....now wait for all the tall claims and terminologies to make Indian headlines.

I find it very hard why pakistanis fail to see the obvious which is infront of them all along.
All these policies are being followed by your own army, whose policy calculus is based on an imagined army through which it can continue taking lion share of anything pakistan as a nation can garner.
Soviet defeat in afganistan gave pakistani establishment a use case they think can also be applied on eastern front.
There are terrorist farms in pakistan which cater to this strategic requirement of pak army.
So if you think you can find any logic here then you must revisit pakistan's history their is something fundamentally wrong in pakistan's military doctrine which might be coming from pakistani society itself which is also visible here like Hate for Hindus.
Regarding the Army chief's comment on pakistan it was only because of this specific reason. Your army thinks under nuke umbrella they can keep sending terrorists to India. We can hear almost every month some one from position of power in pakistan keep saying we will use BUM.

 

[Windjammer]

indian side of LOC



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Yup, those must be pots used for Haldi Daal.

 

[Imran Khan]

Civilian or military?

INDIA-PAKISTAN-UNREST-BORDER
An Indian villager sorts through belongings brought from his house that was damaged in shelling across the India-Pakistan border in Kapoorpur village about 35km from Jammu on January 20, 2018. Tensions escalated along India-Pakistan border in Kashmir as the rival armies continued exchanging heavy fire on January 20 killing an Indian soldier and three civilians on both sides, officials in the two countries said. / AFP PHOTO / Rakesh BAKSHI (Photo credit should read RAKESH BAKSHI/AFP/Getty Images)

Yup, those must be pots used for Haldi Daal.

pankha - bartan - sandooq kisi be chary ki umer bher ki jama poonji thi shayed sir

 

[waz]

INDIA-PAKISTAN-UNREST-BORDER
An Indian villager sorts through belongings brought from his house that was damaged in shelling across the India-Pakistan border in Kapoorpur village about 35km from Jammu on January 20, 2018. Tensions escalated along India-Pakistan border in Kashmir as the rival armies continued exchanging heavy fire on January 20 killing an Indian soldier and three civilians on both sides, officials in the two countries said. / AFP PHOTO / Rakesh BAKSHI (Photo credit should read RAKESH BAKSHI/AFP/Getty Images)


pankha - bartan - sandooq kisi be chary ki umer bher ki jama poonji thi shayed sir

I hope to God civilians are not hurt in all this. In actual fact I just hope an amicable agreement can be reached, but then there is reality.

 

[Qutb-ud-din Aybak]

i think india has a huge advantage at LOC in kashmir. they have numerical superiority about 3 to 1 in their favor against pak forces. in majority of the areas they are at heights. both armies have almost similar types of conventional weapons and training but the indians have the numbers and quantity of weapons on their side. so i fail to understand how come we inflict more damage to indian posts as per our news sources. the indian military and media also does propaganda. if this trend continues for more time i think the losses of PA will be huge.

in some areas we are strong and some they are.
geography also neutralizes the numbers.
and the training + experience matters too.

our snipers for example have already killed a lot on afghan border.
plus the numerical strength difference may not be 1:3 ratio.
secondly it was even more in 90s but we still used to beat them heavily.

 

[Windjammer]

I find it very hard why pakistanis fail to see the obvious which is infront of them all along.
All these policies are being followed by your own army, whose policy calculus is based on an imagined army through which it can continue taking lion share of anything pakistan as a nation can garner.
Soviet defeat in afganistan gave pakistani establishment a use case they think can also be applied on eastern front.
There are terrorist farms in pakistan which cater to this strategic requirement of pak army.
So if you think you can find any logic here then you must revisit pakistan's history their is something fundamentally wrong in pakistan's military doctrine which might be coming from pakistani society itself which is also visible here like Hate for Hindus.
Regarding the Army chief's comment on pakistan it was only because of this specific reason. Your army thinks under nuke umbrella they can keep sending terrorists to India. We can hear almost every month some one from position of power in pakistan keep saying we will use BUM.

When you openly host the likes of BLA separatists in your country, pointing fingers doesn't bode well for your own image. Successive governments of the day implement their policies as they deem fit for the period, you think Indra Gandhi would have trampled the Golden Temple had she known it would cost her life. As for nuclear umbrella, when you have a scheming enemy writing a whole episode from Cold Start, Surgical Strikes and cross border raids then replying them in kind is what the doctor orders. For humanity, let's hope your army chief would learn his lesson before crossing any thresholds.

 

[Tumba]

Civilian or military?

these are civilians the bad baniya hindoo specifically targeted, like I said the ring is being expanded so close to 26th Jan when full Asean state Heads will be chief guests.
Rest assured it will be avenged IA will wait for time and place of its choosing.

 

[Windjammer]

INDIA-PAKISTAN-UNREST-BORDER
An Indian villager sorts through belongings brought from his house that was damaged in shelling across the India-Pakistan border in Kapoorpur village about 35km from Jammu on January 20, 2018. Tensions escalated along India-Pakistan border in Kashmir as the rival armies continued exchanging heavy fire on January 20 killing an Indian soldier and three civilians on both sides, officials in the two countries said. / AFP PHOTO / Rakesh BAKSHI (Photo credit should read RAKESH BAKSHI/AFP/Getty Images)


pankha - bartan - sandooq kisi be chary ki umer bher ki jama poonji thi shayed sir

Off course, it's very sad to see commoners suffering but those sitting in Delhi don't realise this.

 

[Tumba]

When you openly host the likes of BLA separatists in your country, pointing fingers doesn't bode well for your own image. Successive governments of the day implement their policies as they deem fit for the period, you think Indra Gandhi would have trampled the Golden Temple had she known it would cost her life. As for nuclear umbrella, when you have a scheming enemy writing a whole episode from Cold Start, Surgical Strikes and cross border raids then replying them in kind is what the doctor orders. For humanity, let's hope your army chief would learn his lesson before crossing any thresholds.

if you go read the real history and not the propaganda by your army you will know who is at fault here. But it seems GOI has understood now PA mindset is beyond redemption. All we in India can see our state is on right track against this enemy. Hopefully what you say GOI implements.

 

[Champion_Usmani]

these are civilians the bad baniya hindoo specifically targeted, like I said the ring is being expanded so close to 26th Jan when full Asean state Heads will be chief guests.
Rest assured it will be avenged IA will wait for time and place of its choosing.

"IA will wait for time and place of its choosing"? ?, come on man thats what all armies do worldwide, the time and place of their choice, if IA does any mischief in future, PAK Army will avenge & punish at the time and place of its choosing, simple... just check recent history & remove all doubts from your mind....