Greek Rafale F3 Vs Turkish S400

[Trisolaran]

That's why we could hit the AWACS first

Noo that's cheating..

But tbh we will keep them in safe distance first and use them to detect cruise missiles. Meteor have long range but air-air missiles can taken down ıf your plane have good EW systems and ours have

India already has Rafale, if you don't know yet.

Realy? Damn.. Well look like all this rules are just cheap excuses to stop us to work with Russians

 

[Foinikas]

But tbh we will keep them in safe distance first and use them to detect cruise missiles. Meteor have long range but air-air missiles can taken down ıf your plane have good EW systems and ours have

MMM-E keeps bragging about the AWACS and keeps mentioning them (every since he found out what network centric means)
but I've pointed at him many times,that they haven't proved useful all these years during our dogfights,operations or any other crisis. His excuse is "they are not used,because it's not real war". Lol

 

[MMM-E]

Whether S-400s were used and failed to destroy the SCALP-EG,that remains uknown.

Syria doesnt have S400
and Russia never fired S400 in Syria

even Turkiye is not outdated Syria
Turkiye has one of the best technology and Radar-AD System capability in the World

-- 450+ km ERALP AESA Radar
-- 600 km BIG BIRD Radar of S400
-- 600 km MESA Radar of Boeing E-7T AEWC

So SCALP Cruise Missile did not hit any S400 , even any AD System

Big deal,VSHORADS system

Yes Big deal
one of our layered Air Defense Umbrella

-- KORKUT 35mm SPAAG with airburst munition
-- SUNGUR MANPADS
-- HISAR-A low altitude Air Defense System
-- HISAR-O medium altitude Air Defense System
-- SIPER high altitude Air Defense System

They might work,they might not work. They might be subpar. You don't know and therefore you can't brag about their capablities.

We very well know about their capablities
They hit flying targets with speed of mach 0,7

if you are talking about real conflict
French/Italian SAMP-T or Israeli DAVID SLING did not hit a Fighter Jet in a real combat

even I am not remember American PATRIOT too

That's why we could hit the AWACS first

from 350 km away ? how ?
in your dreams ?

Boeing E-7T AEWCs will stay in Turkish airspace under protection by S400 - SIPER AD systems and F-16 Fighter Jets

soon also KIZILELMA unmanned stealth Fighter Jets

but I've pointed at him many times,that they haven't proved useful all these years during our dogfights,operations or any other crisis. His excuse is "they are not used,because it's not real war". Lol

AWACS are not for dogfights

AWACS are for BVR Combat

 

[LegionnairE]

What makes you think they can "easily" intercept SCALP? Have they intercepted any cruise missiles before?

Cruise missiles are relatively big and slow targets, I have no doubts that Korkut can handle them..

Having the right system in the right place at the right time is what matters. You can't cover whole Turkey with Korkuts.

 

[Foinikas]

Syria doesnt have S400
and Russia never fired S400 in Syria

even Turkiye is not outdated Syria
Turkiye has one of the best technology and Radar-AD System capability in the World

-- 450+ km ERALP AESA Radar
-- 600 km BIG BIRD Radar of S400
-- 600 km MESA Radar of Boeing E-7T AEWC

So SCALP Cruise Missile did not hit any S400 , even any AD System

Syrians don't have S-400s. Russians do and we don't know if they actually fired any in Syria,which failed. Of course that's just a guess. However,you asked if SCALP-EG has been fired at other AD systems. And the SAA and Russian forces in Syria have plenty there.

We very well know about their capablities

They hit flying targets with speed of mach 0,7
French/Italian SAMP-T or Israeli DAVID SLING did not hit a Fighter Jet in a real combat

even I am not remember American PATRIOT too

You read and believe every little piece of propaganda information your government and Demir say. There's no critical thought in your mind. That makes you extremely biased and unreliable.

from 350 km away ? how ?

in your dreams ?

With hidden aces up our sleeves.

AWACS are not for dogfights

AWACS are for BVR Combat

AWACS is for nothing apparently,since we've managed to outwit you numerous times in the Aegean AND East Mediterranean. And you bought so many of them for some weird reason. No,you don't need so many,don't rush to say "to cover all of Turkey". It's ridiculous. You bought them because your leaders want to make Turk look like a superpower.

Having the right system in the right place at the right time is what matters. You can't cover whole Turkey with Korkuts.

It matters,of course. But the SCALP-EG is pretty darn good as well. The other thing that MMM-E ignores,are the AGM-88E AARGM we have ordered. Of course,MMM-E thinks that the SPECTRA on the Rafale and the advanced HARM missiles on the F-16s are simply "not enough" to handle the amazing superweapons of Russian and Turkish technology (after all,they are signed by president Erdogan...oh my).

 

[MMM-E]

You read and believe every little piece of propaganda information your government and Demir say. There's no critical thought in your mind. That makes you extremely biased and unreliable.

No we believe Foinika's fairly tales on PDF

Indonesia is so stupid to buy Turkish HISAR and SIPER AD Systems to protect multi-billion dollars of strategic facilities and military bases in Indonesia

better stop believing every little piece of propaganda on Greek Media
full of lies and anti-Turkiye propaganda

AWACS is for nothing apparently,since we've managed to outwit you numerous times in the Aegean AND East Mediterranean. And you bought so many of them for some weird reason. No,you don't need so many,don't rush to say "to cover all of Turkey". It's ridiculous. You bought them because your leaders want to make Turk look like a superpower.

Why are all your posts so silly ?
Every modern Air Force has AWACS ...
even Greece .. Greece bought them because your leaders want to make Greece look like a superpower ? please act a little wise

Turkish Airforce has 4 Boeing E-7T AEWCs since 2015
and there was not any conflict since 2015

Dogfights over the Aegean nothing to do with AEWC
AEWCs are for BVR combat in a real conflict

With hidden aces up our sleeves.

Ok ZEUS and PEGASUS
so funny

 

[LegionnairE]

It matters,of course. But the SCALP-EG is pretty darn good as well. The other thing that MMM-E ignores,are the AGM-88E AARGM we have ordered. Of course,MMM-E thinks that the SPECTRA on the Rafale and the advanced HARM missiles on the F-16s are simply "not enough" to handle the amazing superweapons of Russian and Turkish technology (after all,they are signed by president Erdogan...oh my).

We've had AGM-88s for a long time. While it's a good thing for Greece to acquire more cruise missiles, Turkey can produce much more at lower costs. You're never going to get an edge there.

The problem for Turkey could be the sheer amount of strategic targets to defend.

I can already see that it's going to be a pain in the *** to defend the bosphorus bridges for example.

But I'm fairly certain that something as critical as an S400 battery will be protected by Korkuts, not to mention the fact that S400 is a mobile system, you have to find it first. If they are used correctly, they could cost Greece dozens of aircraft.

AWACS is for nothing apparently,since we've managed to outwit you numerous times in the Aegean AND East Mediterranean. And you bought so many of them for some weird reason. No,you don't need so many,don't rush to say "to cover all of Turkey". It's ridiculous. You bought them because your leaders want to make Turk look like a superpower.

This is the wrongest thing you said, Turkey probably needs 1-2 more B737 AEW&Cs. You don't realize that these planes can't stay on air forever, they need to go down for fuel and maintenanceç And obviously whole Turkey needs to be covered.

We could also suffer casualities and the ability to have an AEW&C in the air constantly, would be very nice.

 

[Foinikas]

Indonesia is so stupid to buy Turkish HISAR and SIPER AD Systems to protect multi-billion dollars of strategic facilities and military bases in Indonesia

Oh Indonesia,a State at constant warfare and big experience

better stop believing every little piece of propaganda on Greek Media
full of lies and anti-Turkiye propaganda

There's no propaganda here that I believe. The Rafale is a solid model from a true and tested company which produces succesful aircraft for more than half a century and armed by a company that makes high quality weapon systems and has long experience on the subject.

The problem here is not whether the Rafale or the S-400 is better. It's your absolute conviction,that no matter what,Turkish systems will prevail and no matter what,Turkey will triumph.

It becomes boring to see the same predictable replies and bragging in your posts.

Why are all your posts so silly ?
Every modern Air Force has AWACS ...
even Greece .. Greece bought them because your leaders want to make Greece look like a superpower ? please act a little wise

Yeah,every modern Air Force has AWACS. How many fucking AWACS did Turkey buy? 4. How many refuelling tankers? 7. The f you gonna do with 7 aerial refuelling tankers ffs?! Where are you going?

4 AWACS with a massive space coverage each. That's luxury.

Dogfights over the Aegean nothing to do with AEWC
AEWCs are for BVR combat in a real conflict

Ah nothing to do huh? When you can't pick up our F-16s on radar and suddenly find them actually LEAVING from Cyprus.

 

[aszx]

Is Russia’s S400 powerful enough to counter Rafale jet?
How easy would it be for Turkey's S-400 system to down the 24 French Rafale jets that Greece will soon be operated?

S-400 battery consists of a long-range radar, a command post vehicle, target acquisition radar and two battalions of launchers with each launcher having four tubes.
The effective range 400km of the S-400 system is reportedly quite impressive (if one is to believe Russian claims), but is limited by the curvature of the earth and can’t penetrate Turkey’s mountainous geography.
As we can see in Syria, protection does not help much. If you fire 8 SCALP missiles from 4 Rafales the chance is nearly zero.
You also should keep in mind that 400 km range is against slow flying high altitude targets. Against low flying targets it is limited to LOS.

Rafale can out-range the S-400 with Storm Shadows, so it has a tool to deal with stuff like that, and the S-400 will have no chance to retaliate. Also the outstanding capability of SPECTRA regarding airborne threat localisation is one of the keys of the Rafale’s superior situational awareness and it provides a multi-spectral threat warning capability against hostile radars, missiles and lasers.
Rafale is a unique EW/ECm aircraft, is not working alone, but with the helps of others Rafale/F-16V/Mirage 2000, the HELLAS-SAT and the Erieye's(AEW coverage), a full and Network centric warfare system.

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[Akritas]

Greece should practice their Rafale against Indian S-400.

Once the squadron is completed, I think it is only a matter of time before we see cooperation between the Indian and Greek Air Force.

 

[Foinikas]

We've had AGM-88s for a long time. While it's a good thing for Greece to acquire more cruise missiles, Turkey can produce much more at lower costs. You're never going to get an edge there.

No,these are the advanced model,the new one.

. While it's a good thing for Greece to acquire more cruise missiles, Turkey can produce much more at lower costs. You're never going to get an edge there.

We can't find a long war,it's not possible for us. It would be a disaster,unless we get massive support from other countries. In weapons,money,food,volunteers and basically everything.

This is the wrongest thing you said, Turkey probably needs 1-2 more B737 AEW&Cs. You don't realize that these planes can't stay on air forever, they need to go down for fuel and maintenanceç And obviously whole Turkey needs to be covered.

You guys have enough refuelling airplanes to keep them up. But ffs even 2 of them can cover a pretty big part of Turkey. Unless Erdogan is planning to have Turkey attacked by all fronts! West,north,south,east. Lol!

 

[Skull and Bones]

Once the squadron is completed, I think it is only a matter of time before we see cooperation between the Indian and Greek Air Force.

India's long term strategy is to have a comprehensive defense treaty with countries around Turkey. Recent defense co-operation with Armenia and Cyprus is pointing toward that direction.

Maybe in the next leg of defense purchase, Armenia can buy Brahmos missile, and some Air Defense systems.

 

[Foinikas]

India's long term strategy is to have a comprehensive defense treaty with countries around Turkey. Recent defense co-operation with Armenia and Cyprus is pointing toward that direction.

Maybe in the next leg of defense purchase, Armenia can buy Brahmos missile, and some Air Defense systems.

No no no no no no

 

[MMM-E]

Oh Indonesia,a State at constant warfare and big experience

Indonesia is one of the biggest Asian Power which bought Turkish AD Systems

There's no propaganda here that I believe.

I watch Greek media
Full of lies and anti-Turkiye propagandda to fool Greek People

The Rafale is a solid model from a true and tested company which produces succesful aircraft for more than half a century and armed by a company that makes high quality weapon systems and has long experience on the subject.

and so ?
Rafale doesnt have any real combat experience as like you always talked about real combat experience

The problem here is not whether the Rafale or the S-400 is better. It's your absolute conviction,that no matter what,Turkish systems will prevail and no matter what,Turkey will triumph.

I show the reality
Greece is not equal to Turkiye in a large scale of war ... not even close

if Greece have 24 Rafales ,
Turkiye has S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems to counter Rafales
also 235 F-16s in service and KIZILELMA unmanned Fighter Jet on the way


if Rafales fire 100 SCALP Missiles ,
Turkiye can fire 1.000 Missiles to hit all strategic and military targets in Greece-Greek Islands

( TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , ATACMS , J600T , BORA , TAYFUN , SLAM-ER , POPEYE , SOM , ATMACA )

also long range guided bombs ( 150-180 km ) TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , KUZGUN-TJ on the way

 

[Foinikas]

I watch Greek media
Full of lies and anti-Turkiye propagandda to fool Greek People

You watch a few shows nobody knows about and some bloggers who nobody cares about

Indonesia is one of the biggest Asian Power which bought Turkish AD Systems

Sure,one of biggest Asian Power...lol

and so ?
Rafale doesnt have any real combat experience as like you always talked about real combat experience

Rafale has more experience than your AA systems.

I show the reality
Greece is not equal to Turkiye in a large scale of war ... not even close

You show your version of reality,which is often very different from even Turkish analysts.

if Greece have 24 Rafales ,
Turkiye has S400 and SIPER Air Defense Systems to counter Rafales
also 235 F-16s in service and KIZILELMA unmanned Fighter Jet on the way


if Rafales fire 100 SCALP Missiles ,
Turkiye can fire 1.000 Missiles to hit all strategic and military targets in Greece-Greek Islands

( TRLG-230 , TRG-300 , ATACMS , J600T , BORA , TAYFUN , SLAM-ER , POPEYE , SOM , ATMACA )

also long range guided bombs ( 150-180 km ) TOLUN-IIR , KGK-LR , KUZGUN-TJ on the way

We've heard the same story a billion times already