Great Wall of Ukraine

[Hindustani78]

"Our man " Yats has said recently - "Great Wall of Ukraine" will be engine for Ukrainian economy growth
Such a delusion!

Dont you think this will create jobs ?

 

[Galad]

Dont you think this will create jobs ?

What kind of jobs?Created with what?Who will invest the money?Where the money will come from?If your Kiev employers give you OK- I suggest you to check official statistics(hint for you-economy is dying). Since you are forbidden to post about miserable financial situation -Ukraine is about to default,there is no money.There is no money even to ensure decent agriculture season-this year harvest season will be disaster. Since you have failed to noticed latest about your " Great Wall Of Ukraine"(wonder why?)-here it is for you." Our man " Yats -there will be no wall ,just fences at short distance around border post.Why? " Our man" Yats has the answer-it is too expensive,border guards have to be stationed to guard the wall from thieves.In other words -money for " Great Wall Of Ukraine" has been stolen already.

 

[NaMaloom]

Good step by Ukraine. This should have been done long long ago. Install thermal imaging and heat sensors along the entire fence + guard posts, radars, etc. Shoot to kill any Russian attempting to join militants in Donetsk and Luhansk by crossing the border illegally into Ukraine.

 

[vostok]

Good step by Ukraine. This should have been done long long ago. Install thermal imaging and heat sensors along the entire fence + guard posts, radars, etc. Shoot to kill any Russian attempting to join militants in Donetsk and Luhansk by crossing the border illegally into Ukraine.

Ukrainians do not control the border of New Russia (Donetsk and Lugansk republics) and Russia. So this "wall" - just another bubble, whereby in a poor country will be a couple of new millionaires.

 

[Galad]

Good step by Ukraine. This should have been done long long ago. Install thermal imaging and heat sensors along the entire fence + guard posts, radars, etc. Shoot to kill any Russian attempting to join militants in Donetsk and Luhansk by crossing the border illegally into Ukraine.

In case you missed-country is on the brink of default already.There is no money for good enough food for the soldiers.There was not enough money for this year agriculture season.There is no enough money for most basic medicines.There is no enough money to buy coal for thermal plants-less than 900 000 tonnes in stores compared to over 3 mln tonnes compared to this time previous year.Please stop dreaming and wake up.

 

[NaMaloom]

In case you missed-country is on the brink of default already.There is no money for good enough food for the soldiers.There was not enough money for this year agriculture season.There is no enough money for most basic medicines.There is no enough money to buy coal for thermal plants-less than 900 000 tonnes in stores compared to over 3 mln tonnes compared to this time previous year.Please stop dreaming and wake up.

Same with Russia. and I am not Ukrainian. So STFU.

Ukrainians do not control the border of New Russia (Donetsk and Lugansk republics) and Russia. So this "wall" - just another bubble, whereby in a poor country will be a couple of new millionaires.

Is that what Putin's propaganda's calling it now? 'New Russia'? Hahaahaha.

 

[jhungary]

Same with Russia. and I am not Ukrainian. So STFU.




Is that what Putin's propaganda's calling it now? 'New Russia'? Hahaahaha.

Funny thing is, Russia themselves does not recognize this "New Russia"........Go figure..

 

[vostok]

Is that what Putin's propaganda's calling it now? 'New Russia'? Hahaahaha.

The main thing here is not the name - the Republic of Donetsk or New Russia. The main thing is that Ukraine does no control over hundreds of kilometers of border with Russia. So this "wall" - just another black hole in the budget, "wall" has no practical sense.

 

[NaMaloom]

The main thing here is not the name - the Republic of Donetsk or New Russia. The main thing is that Ukraine does no control over hundreds of kilometers of border with Russia. So this "wall" - just another black hole in the budget, "wall" has no practical sense.

NO ONE recognizes Republic of Donetsk. Goodluck with things like trade and other things that 'recognized' states do on the international level. You can lick Republic of Donetsk all you want, it won't mean or amount to anything. Its a bad joke!

 

[vostok]

NO ONE recognizes Republic of Donetsk. Goodluck with things like trade and other things that 'recognized' states do on the international level. You can lick Republic of Donetsk all you want, it won't mean or amount to anything. Its a bad joke!

However, militias control the border, not ukrainians. And militias decide who can pass, and who - can not. So Junta can build "walls" even up to the heavens, there is no practical sense in it. Just some smartass will milk the budget and earn millions.

 

[jhungary]

NO ONE recognizes Republic of Donetsk. Goodluck with things like trade and other things that 'recognized' states do on the international level. You can lick Republic of Donetsk all you want, it won't mean or amount to anything. Its a bad joke!

There is a reason why Republic of Donetsk and Lugansk have declared their independence and yet no annexation talk hold in Russia and no official recognition to both republic by Russia

It is actually a doubled edged sword to the Russian whether or not the rebel win or lose.

Rebel Won, then either Russia would annex it or leave it independent, both Donetsk and Lugansk have no banking and financial system, the city is badly damaged, and the population have been in a kind of holy war fighting instead of working in a factory, hence no GDP. So either Russia annex it and rebuild both oblast with their own money, which could be billions of dollars, or they leave them at their own device, which almost certainly wounded up going back to Ukraine.

Rebel Lose, Russian lose face and they are getting nothing nowhere. Ukraine would have been stuck with the reconstruction cost but they will be moving away from Russia. Russia will then be left tattered in economy and with nothing to show for.

Either way, NATO already won, before both Belarus and Ukraine are buffer state for Russia, now we are pretty sure NATO will gain a land border to Russia and this time they are not in East Germany. I actually want Ukraine give up those two province so they can just join NATO and EU and get this over with.

Thank you Russia

 

[NaMaloom]

However, militias control the border, not ukrainians. And militias decide who can pass, and who - can not. So Junta can build "walls" even up to the heavens, there is no practical sense in it. Just some smartass will milk the budget and earn millions.

And militias will soon run out of public support, however much exists currently once the people start to starve, there are few jobs to come by, the economy of that region takes a nose-dive, etc. The rebels are propped up by Russia for short-term gains while the long-term cost will be immense for the avg. person. Obviously Ukraine is building the fence wherever border troops are still loyal to it. It remains to be seen what will be the result. Just as you believe there is no practical sense in a border wall, I believe there is NO practical sense in a banana republic called 'Republic of Donetsk'.

There is a reason why Republic of Donetsk and Lugansk have declared their independence and yet no annexation talk hold in Russia and no official recognition to both republic by Russia

It is actually a doubled edged sword to the Russian whether or not the rebel win or lose.

Rebel Won, then either Russia would annex it or leave it independent, both Donetsk and Lugansk have no banking and financial system, the city is badly damaged, and the population have been in a kind of holy war fighting instead of working in a factory, hence no GDP. So either Russia annex it and rebuild both oblast with their own money, which could be billions of dollars, or they leave them at their own device, which almost certainly wounded up going back to Ukraine.

Rebel Lose, Russian lose face and they are getting nothing nowhere. Ukraine would have been stuck with the reconstruction cost but they will be moving away from Russia. Russia will then be left tattered in economy and with nothing to show for.

Either way, NATO already won, before both Belarus and Ukraine are buffer state for Russia, now we are pretty sure NATO will gain a land border to Russia and this time they are not in East Germany. I actually want Ukraine give up those two province so they can just join NATO and EU and get this over with.

Thank you Russia

Exactly my thoughts. Russia itself handed NATO what it feared all along ==> Ukraine.

 

[jhungary]

And militias will soon run out of public support, however much exists currently once the people start to starve, there are few jobs to come by, the economy of that region takes a nose-dive, etc. The rebels are propped up by Russia for short-term gains while the long-term cost will be immense for the avg. person. Obviously Ukraine is building the fence wherever border troops are still loyal to it. It remains to be seen what will be the result. Just as you believe there is no practical sense in a border wall, I believe there is NO practical sense in a banana republic called 'Republic of Donetsk'.




Exactly my thoughts. Russia itself handed NATO what it feared all along ==> Ukraine.

I think Russia made a major military mistake and like you said, handed the whole Ukraine on a platter to the EU and NATO. Look at the best case scenario for Russia, they could annex both Lugansk and Donetsk that's 2 oblasts only, but they will lose the other 22 Oblasts to EU and NATO. And that's the BEST CASE SCENARIO

If I was Putin, I am pretty sure I will wait for the Maiden to be over, and the Ukrainian elect another Pro-Russian president again, then start the migration work, not before and an open support of insurrection. Yeah, the Pro-Russian regime of Ukrainian will support the movement, but how man Ukrainian are pro-Russia? And how many are Pro-Ukraine? You do the maths

 

[vostok]

And militias will soon run out of public support, however much exists currently once the people start to starve, there are few jobs to come by, the economy of that region takes a nose-dive, etc. The rebels are propped up by Russia for short-term gains while the long-term cost will be immense for the avg. person. Obviously Ukraine is building the fence wherever border troops are still loyal to it. It remains to be seen what will be the result. Just as you believe there is no practical sense in a border wall, I believe there is NO practical sense in a banana republic called 'Republic of Donetsk'.

In fact, the Donbass - industrial heart of Ukraine (it was once even industrial heart of whole Russian Empire). And without Donbass Ukraine very quickly become a country where the bakery or creamery called "plants"
At the same time Donbass, in spite of constant attacks by the junta continues to live and work. When the junta to calm down, Donbass will be restored very quickly, within 2-3 years.
The poor, out of work residents of ukraine will go to work not only to Russia or Poland, but also to the Donbass.

 

[NaMaloom]

In fact, the Donbass - industrial heart of Ukraine (it was once even industrial heart of whole Russian Empire). And without Donbass Ukraine very quickly become a country where the bakery or creamery called "plants"

At the same time Donbass, in spite of constant attacks by the junta continues to live and work. When the junta to calm down, Donbass will be restored very quickly, within 2-3 years.
The poor, out of work residents of ukraine will go to work not only to Russia or Poland, but also to the Donbass.

What are they going to do with whatever industry they have left after the war when they have NO ONE to trade with, no financial system of their own, no one in the international community of countries other than Russia willing to deal with Donbass. Donbass should be renamed 'dumbass' since they have sacrificed their future for some wet dream of reliving some past Russian glory. Ukraine is recognized internationally all over the world, no one gives a damn about Donbass.

You are dreaming quite a bit if you think Ukrainians and Polish will go to Donbass to work when Donbass is in ruins and Donbass residents will soon start dying out of starvation and unemployment - it will be Donbass people trying to go to work in Ukraine and Poland.

Do tell me whatever it is that you are smoking...