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It was an interesting peice of article in ToI dated 24th June 2007.
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Great myths of Indian history


Atul Sethi | TNN


When UPA presidential nominee Pratibha Patil mentioned that the purdah had been in existence since Mughal times, she was being historically inaccurate, but voicing a commonly held misconception.
In fact, according to N R Farooqi, professor of History at Allahabad University, the Mughals probably borrowed purdah from the Rajputs. Historian Harbans Mukhia, in his book, The Mughals of India, cites the Baburnama and the Humayunnama to state that the Mughals were never in purdah. Farooqi says Mughal women were introduced to the purdah only after Akbar married a Rajput princess, who may have brought this custom along with her.
Many other popular perceptions are often mistaken for historical fact, such as Islam being brought to India by Muslim invaders. Most historians concur that India’s introduction to Islam was, in fact, through Arab traders.
It’s not surprising that tales abound in India, since our culture has a tradition of storytelling. Myths, however, become intertwined with history, often overshadowing it. That’s why the fictional Salim-Anarkali romance is more popular than the real Jahangir-Noorjahan love story. Even stories which have an element of truth can be blown out of proportion. Like Asoka slaying his 100 brothers, which historians believe was exaggerated, though there probably was a struggle for the throne.

‘Trade, not invasion brought Islam to India’


Irish dramatist Denis Johnston once said that myths are not created, they create themselves and then find expression in that which serves their purpose. Perhaps it’s time we helped dispel some popular misconceptions.

Islam was brought to India by Muslim invaders:

Most historians now agree that India’s introduction to Islam was through Arab traders and not Muslim invaders, as is generally believed. The Arabs had been coming to the Malabar coast in southern India as traders for a long time, well before Islam had been introduced in Arabia.
Writes H G Rawlinson, in his book, ‘Ancient and Medieval History of India’, ‘‘The first Arab Muslims began settling in the towns on the Indian coast in the last part of the 7th century.’’ They married Indian women and were treated with respect and allowed to propagate their faith. According to B P Sahu, head of the department of history of Delhi University, Arab Muslims began occupying positions of prominence in the areas where they had settled by the 8th and 9th centuries.
In fact, the first mosque in the county was built by an Arab trader at Kodungallur, in what is now Kerala, in 629 AD. Interestingly, Prophet Mohammed was alive at that time and this mosque in India would probably have been one of the first few mosques in the world, thus highlighting the presence of Islam in India long before the Muslim invaders arrived.
Asoka killed his 100 brothers to claim the throne: In his book, The Oxford History of India, Vincent Smith writes that the story told by the Buddhist monks of Ceylon that Asoka slaughtered 98 or 99 of his brothers in order to clear his way to the throne is absurd and obviously concocted to highlight Asoka’s alleged abnormal wickedness prior to his conversion to Buddhism.
In fact, Asoka, says Smith, took good care of his brothers long after his succession, evidence of which is found in his rock edicts. However, according to Nayanjot Lahiri, professor in the department of history at Delhi University, this is a legend which can’t be summarily dismissed and it probably has a grain of truth.
Although the reference to 100 brothers seems purely metaphorical, there are references in one Indian and two Sri Lankan literary texts that there was a protracted struggle between Asoka and his brothers for the throne. Since Asoka’s formal consecration was also delayed for some four years after the death of his father Bindusara, it indicates that his ascension to the throne was contested, says Lahiri. How many brothers were slain, or whether any were slain at all, is however a question that is still debatable.

Buddhist monks were vegetarians:

Most people associate Buddhism with non-violence and imagine that Buddhist monks and nuns never consumed animal food. However, according to Nayanjot Lahiri, the idea that meat and its products were not allowed to Buddhist monks is a myth. For instance, in case of sickness, raw flesh and blood could be used by the monks.
Fish and meat were mentioned among the five superior and delicate foods that a monk who was unwell was allowed to eat. Irfan Habib, former professor of history at Aligarh Muslim University, agreed that monks could eat meat. The only restriction, however, was that they could not eat the meat of animals especially slaughtered for them.
Buddhist sutras also mention that one may, with a clear conscience, receive, cook and eat meat either freely offered by someone else, or that which came from an animal which had died of natural causes, but not of that which had been especially slaughtered for eating. Even the archaeology of Buddhism provides some evidence on this, says Lahiri, as animal bones have been recorded from two famous Buddhist sites in Sri Lanka—the Abhayagiri vihara at Anuradhapura and the Sigiriya vihara—which indicate that Buddhist monks were not vegetarian.

The love story of Salim and Anarkali: :smitten:

A lowly courtesan falls in love with the crown prince of the Mughal empire who, in turn, is ready to defy his father’s will for the sake of his beloved. This is the story of Salim and Anarkali, made popular by films like ‘Mughal-e-Azam’. The tragedy, however, is that the epic romance was probably just a work of fiction.
For, Anarkali never existed. Or, even if she did, she was probably a slave girl who had no proven connection with either Salim or his father, the Emperor Akbar. According to Irfan Habib, the legend of Anarkali came into being some four years after Jahangir’s death, when she was mentioned briefly in some texts of the 1630s. After that, there’s no mention of her anywhere and there is no reference to her in Jahangir’s autobiography either.
Yet, Anarkali’s name remains closely linked with Salim and she is probably more popular than even his wife, the historical Noorjahan, was. What probably fanned this popular imagination, says N R Farooqi, professor at Allahabad University, was circumstantial evidence like a tomb, believed to be that of Anarkali’s, situated in Lahore which was built by Jahangir. Or tales spread by European travellers and later picked up by popular culture, thus cementing the legend of Salim and Anarkali in people’s imagination.

Jodha Bai was the name of Akbar’s Rajput wife:

Akbar’s first Rajput wife, it is believed, was the eldest daughter of Bhar Mal, the Raja of Amber. Popular perception has it that her name was Jodha Bai and that she was Jahangir’s mother. History, however, suggests otherwise.
According to Irfan Habib,there is no mention of Akbar’s Rajput wife anywhere in any Mughal text. Abul Fazal, in his ‘Akbarnama’, does not mention her name as Akbar’s wife. Nor does Jahangir, in his autobiography, ‘Tuzk-e-Jahangiri’, mention Jodha Bai as his mother. This is because, according to N R Farooqi, Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar’s Rajput queen. It was, in fact, the name of Jahangir’s Rajput wife, whose real name was Jagat Gosain. Since she belonged to the royal family of Jodhpur,she was also referred to as Jodha Bai.
According to Farooqi, she was a very important woman in the royal household. Besides being married to the emperor, she was also the mother of Khurram, who later became Emperor Shah Jahan.The myth of Jodha Bai being Akbar’s Rajput wife, says Irfan Habib, probably gained credence during the 19th century when guides at Fatehpur Sikri gave her the mantle of Akbar’s wife, a perception which is prevalent even today.
 
Islam came in south through trade which was peaceful and came in north via turko-mongolic rulers with not so fair means. This does not changes that fact. so you have to define Islam came as in where the article does not dweels upon that, and if it is South India it is known fact it came through trade route, if its North I beg to disagree anyone here is welcome to prove me wrong.

The same is for Christianity, it came in Goa through not so fair means by the portugese while Christianity came elsewhere through trade.

This does not rules out inner rivalries after some rulers established their imprint here.

By the way the article is misleading because the starting of the article which tries to dweel upon recent veil controversy is wrong, Purdah was bought here my the Muslims what The Rajput practiced was VEIL, DONT MIX PURDAH WITH VEIL., which can be said more properly as 'Ghunghat'.

The maulana sahib made some quick comments in the recent issue as hes hearing what he fears.


Smt. Patil is not fully correct about the introduction of the veil to protect from the 'Mughal' agressors if it is in whole context but is partially correct if shes speaking in Rajasthani context.

She is speaking to Rajasthani women in general and not Muslim women in particular. Rajasthan was quite successful in warding of Slave Dynasty/Sultanate attacks and it was the Mughal attacks that layed them low. A key point to understand is that Delhi is a Rajasthani outpost in medevial India.

One must not confuse with Veil and the Muslim practice of Purdah. Purdah is essentially covering the face entire and usually,but not always,which included the upper torso. Veil has been part of eastern cultures(most of Eurasia,from turkey to China)they may have included a separate cloth material distinct from the main apparel,but usually veil were part of womans head gear throughout eastern societies.

Even in India before Islam, Veil was part of the head gear later it evolved into extending the pallu of woman's Saree over the head or over the face. In India its more prevalent among the jat and Rajput communities,In that context Veil is not entirely alien to India, Purdah is.

Veil was prevalent among jat and Rajputs only at that time.
 
I cannot comment on the veg of monks, have to study on that but I can say one thing it can be entirely possible what the article states on that just like any other religion Buddhism has different followings which in Islam and Christianity and Judaism is termed as 'sects'.
 
well one great myth of Indian history..is that the name "India" actually refers to any historical event/name in India of today. Almost all the history of India before 1000 AD refers to Pakistan
 
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Jodha Bai was the name of Akbar’s Rajput wife:

Akbar’s first Rajput wife, it is believed, was the eldest daughter of Bhar Mal, the Raja of Amber. Popular perception has it that her name was Jodha Bai and that she was Jahangir’s mother. History, however, suggests otherwise.
According to Irfan Habib,there is no mention of Akbar’s Rajput wife anywhere in any Mughal text. Abul Fazal, in his ‘Akbarnama’, does not mention her name as Akbar’s wife. Nor does Jahangir, in his autobiography, ‘Tuzk-e-Jahangiri’, mention Jodha Bai as his mother. This is because, according to N R Farooqi, Jodha Bai was not the name of Akbar’s Rajput queen. It was, in fact, the name of Jahangir’s Rajput wife, whose real name was Jagat Gosain. Since she belonged to the royal family of Jodhpur,she was also referred to as Jodha Bai.
According to Farooqi, she was a very important woman in the royal household. Besides being married to the emperor, she was also the mother of Khurram, who later became Emperor Shah Jahan.The myth of Jodha Bai being Akbar’s Rajput wife, says Irfan Habib, probably gained credence during the 19th century when guides at Fatehpur Sikri gave her the mantle of Akbar’s wife, a perception which is prevalent even today.

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Name of Jehangir's mother was indeed Jodha Bai. She was nicknamed as Mariam Zamani Begam; a common custom among moghul queens. She is mentioned as Mariam Zamani Begam in the Tuzk e Jehangiri.

Jehangir also had a Rajput wife called Jodha Bai who was nicknamed Bilqis Makani Begam. She was the mother of Prince Khurram later Shah Jehan.

Anarkali is probably a myth. Most Moghul princes apart from learning art of war and being appointed as governnors of the frontier provinces, enjoyed hunting and company of courtesans from very early youth. Marriage with anyone was out of the question except for political reasons. Anarkali may have been a court dancer but it hard to believe that Salim would risk a war with his father over the love of a dancing girl. Salim did fight his father but that was because he was tired of waiting for Akbar to die.

The myth of Anarkali was popularised in the thirtes by Imtiaz Ali Taj of Lahore who was indeed inspired by the alleged tomb of Anarkali in the compound of old Civil Secretrate building in Lahore and wrote a play about it.

Saying that Purdah was adoptedby Mughals from Rajputs is also probably untrue. There is a Hadith thru Hazart Ayesha ( RA) that face can be left uncovered. However there is another Hadith which says that all parts of the female body must be hidden from strangers. In many orthodox muslim countries such as Saudi Arabia and Afghanistan, there has been a tradition of purdah since early Islam. Purdah therefore existed among muslims in India long before the arrival of Moghuls in the sixteenth century.

Some Hindu writers have even suggested that even though "Ghoonghat" existed in Hindu upper class for a long time; Hindu society before the arrival of Isalm had very liberal attitude towards sex and intermixing between men and women. With the arrival of Turkic invaders who later became the rulers, there was a constant danger that the Turks would forcibly marry any local girl they found attractive as Muslims were allowed 4 wives. Ghooghat therefore changed into Purdah in some Hindu/Rajput households. Please remember that Turkic Muslim dynasties had been in North India for nearly half a century before arrival of the Mughals.
 
roadrunne, I dont quite get you.

Either you are reading the wrong places for history or you are not aware of history at all.

There are many parts of history of sub-continent which spans consisting of Pakistan and India combined. The particular year you mentioned does not holds any water.


niaz, this prevalence of veil was mostly among Rajput community, this wasnt there in some other community of that time. Till today you can see women of Rajasthan to use veil.
 
roadrunne, I dont quite get you.

Either you are reading the wrong places for history or you are not aware of history at all.

There are many parts of history of sub-continent which spans consisting of Pakistan and India combined. The particular year you mentioned does not holds any water.


niaz, this prevalence of veil was mostly among Rajput community, this wasnt there in some other community of that time. Till today you can see women of Rajasthan to use veil.

Joey,

I am not denying that Rajputs use veil. My question is that did they take from Muslims or Muslims adopted it from the Rajput??

I maintain that Afghans/Turks arrived in the areas bordering Rajputana circa 1000 AD. It is these people who brought purdah to India not vice versa.

Muslims Arabs had invaded Sindh as early as 711 AD and captured Multan and lower Pujnab with capital at Al Mansura (in the hononore of Mansoor Abbassi , the Caliph). That state bordered on Rajputana (Rajasthaan) and Gujrat. Muslims had fights with Raja Bhoj of Gujarat. Veil could have come to Rajasthan at that time also but I find it hard to imagine that Moghuls borrowed it from Rajputs.
 
Sir,

Joey's assertion is that though Rajputs had the viel, most of other sections of the Hindu community got it from the muslims
 
Ofcourse mate Mughals did not borrowed the thing from Rajput thats purely wrong, is what I told you in the main article posted by kashif.

About Muslims adopting it from Rajput or vice versa I have to do some research but it was sure that Mughals did not adopted it from Rajputs as the article states as they had it from before Mughals came.

Thus Patil hurting Muslim sentiments as the left makes it sound is also not correct as she was referring to Rajasthani women.

But they did had some sort of such practice, remember Padmini and the issue of seeing her image in the mirror or something like that?

I dont know how correct this is but you might find this interesting never the less,

 
roadrunne, I dont quite get you.

Either you are reading the wrong places for history or you are not aware of history at all.

There are many parts of history of sub-continent which spans consisting of Pakistan and India combined. The particular year you mentioned does not holds any water.

the year is an approximation. The term "India" was always applied to the area of Pakistan up until around 100 BC, and then extended further into Bharat after this. However, subsequent invasions into "India" (actually Pakistan), such as the Hunnic invasions, were not into Bharat proper. These are parts of Pakistani history. It's very simple really.
 
the year is an approximation. The term "India" was always applied to the area of Pakistan up until around 100 BC, and then extended further into Bharat after this. However, subsequent invasions into "India" (actually Pakistan), such as the Hunnic invasions, were not into Bharat proper. These are parts of Pakistani history. It's very simple really.

1. Historically, geographically, archeologically, genetically incorrect.

2. Yes Pakistan specific invasions are part of their history whos denying that?

I'll state some of simple easy understandable points,

1, Pakistanis as people would tend to think of being genetically from different pool than Indians are wrong it isnt, actually it also depends if someone is referring to some special tribes or commong Pakistani per-se.

2. Linguistical difference between north India-Pakistan and deep-South was there due to the different civilizations formed.

3. Pakistan and India were similar entities until 1947 - denying this questions the ability of the user to comprehend things or questions the grandeur of illusion one suffers from.

4. Most people here or archeologists or researchers refers and referring things as subcontinents history and not Pakistan as specific or India as specific per se (normally they mention present day pakistan or present day India) when dealing with cross-country kingdoms, like for Mauryan empire, it is not taught in our schoool that he was botn in Gujrat, but he was from present day Pakistan, same goes for the Mughals in India. The more proper terminology would be empires like Mughal Empire, Mauryan Empire, Chola Empire, British Empire and so on.

5. I dont see what the fuss is here about, one is trying to pull things on another which isnt even being discussed to keep it in short.
 
1, Pakistanis as people would tend to think of being genetically from different pool than Indians are wrong it isnt, actually it also depends if someone is referring to some special tribes or commong Pakistani per-se.

Oh well this makes sense..not..Pakistanis are on average genetically and physically different to Indians aka Bharatis

3. Pakistan and India were similar entities until 1947 - denying this questions the ability of the user to comprehend things or questions the grandeur of illusion one suffers from.

Pakistan and India were never similar entities until 1947. Pakistan has only been part of the NorthWest fringe of India (such as Indian Punjab, and Indian Gujrat). Other than that, Pakistan has spent more time part of Afghanistan or even part of the Greek Empire than part of India aka Bharat.
 
pakistans history doesnt exist from before 1947, pakistan is a country that doesnt have much history. Though it likes to create an image that mughals etc were the early day pakistanis. This is not the case people of pnjab and sindh need to look back and will find that their history is tied with india and not mughals and other people who came from afghanistan etc.

What really annoys me is that pakistan is trying to steal the history of people of nwfp and afghanistan, by naming their missiles guri and babur and this and that. They were not pakistani and were from afghan regions, most punjabis were sikhs and hindus that converted to islam. Now that just because they became muslim doesnt eliminate their genes from indians and their history.

No matter how much punjabis and sindhis distance their selves from india, in truth they are same race and related.

Rather then just reading books and assuimng, if you ask the people invloved balouchs and people of nwfp they will tell you that they dont see punjabis and sindhis as their own and have no love or historical connection in anyway.


While balouch and people of nwfp are related to iranians and afghans, while sindhis and punjabis are of indian origin by language and by their nature, the only difference being religion.
 
^^You're not really an Indian wishing he was a Pakistani :taz:

pakistans history doesnt exist from before 1947, pakistan is a country that doesnt have much history. Though it likes to create an image that mughals etc were the early day pakistanis. This is not the case people of pnjab and sindh need to look back and will find that their history is tied with india and not mughals and other people who came from afghanistan etc.

People of Punjab and Sindh are very much tied in with Mughal history, after all their language and parts of their culture indeed is from the Mughals - Urdu is basically an arabo-persianified form of simplified Sanskrit which was mutually intelligible with the Mughals - that's why the Mughals created this language.

NWFP otoh has Pashto which has nothing to do with the Mughals. It's a more ancient language than the Mughals, so the two really have nothing in common.

Around 7% of Pakistan is Indian, those that moved over at Partition, but the remaining 90%+ are Pakistani and look very different to the average Indian, proveable on any characteristic map.

What really annoys me is that pakistan is trying to steal the history of people of nwfp and afghanistan, by naming their missiles guri and babur and this and that. They were not pakistani and were from afghan regions, most punjabis were sikhs and hindus that converted to islam. Now that just because they became muslim doesnt eliminate their genes from indians and their history.

Punjabis before Islam were either Buddhist or Vedic. Hinduism was always a very very small minority of Punjab as demonstrated in the Mahabharatta. Another hisotrical inaccuracy you make is that Punjabi Sikhs converted to Islam, of course it's the other way round. There is also nothing wrong with Pakistan naming its missiles after Afghan kings since, many Pakistanis are Afghans.

No matter how much punjabis and sindhis distance their selves from india, in truth they are same race and related.

Punjabis are closer to Indians than Pashtuns and Balochis, but that's obvious, however Punjabis and Sindhis are completely genetically different to Indians..this much has been proved by science, and it is a simple fact that Punjabis from Pakistan do not look like South Indians, Orrissans, Indians from the centre of India, basically they don't look anything like the majority of Indians.

Rather then just reading books and assuimng, if you ask the people invloved balouchs and people of nwfp they will tell you that they dont see punjabis and sindhis as their own and have no love or historical connection in anyway.

Well I'm from there, and a lot of them live and work in Karachi, Islamabad and many other places in the Punjab - so I hardly think you can apply India's situation to Pakistan NWFP.

While balouch and people of nwfp are related to iranians and afghans, while sindhis and punjabis are of indian origin by language and by their nature, the only difference being religion.

Completely not true. The NWFP people are not related to Iranians, they ARE Afghan race, but there are more Afghans in Pakistan than in Afghanistan. So Pakistan IS Afghania.

Baloch are not Iranians. Look up their genetics. They don't even have the same language closeness.

Punjabis and Sindhis are different to the majority of Indians. They only share a slight resemblance (generally less Dravidified), with the Northwest fringe of India aka North west border of Bharat.

Some more research on your part is needed.
 
i dont know where you are getting your information from but its wrong, well i guess you have to alter a few things to distance your self from your indian ancestors. Pushtoons are afghans and yes balouch also relate to iran. please go and read before you come and debate with me, its no good cutting and pasting a few lines from the net. Punjabis and sindhis are of indian origin, you can not call your self an afghan just because you wish to deny your indian ancestry. How can punjabis be afghans? may be some afghan pashtoon blood in some of them, as afghanistan still to this day claims its border to be from river roxanne to river jehlum. punjabis that may have some pashtoon afghan blood can not call them selves afghans or tie their selves with our history, as they are not pure blooded afghans or pashtoons. And why should you name after heroes that dont belong to you, are you that desperate to show some history for your self by claiming historical links with people like mahmood of ghazni etc.

Accept the fact that you have indian history and ancestral background, please dont say that everything is smooth between punjabis and pashttons, may be in karachi but in my native sarhad a dog has more value then a punjabi mongrel.

Only thing that unites us is our religion apart from that nothing else, no quaid e azam etc, as not many pashtoons have respect for the man, he was a worthless drunk who took glory for others hardwork. we had our own quaid khan abdul ghaffar khan, who did alot to ensure the rights of pashtoon people

I am not an indian am pakistani pashtoon, from mardan, and my people and my culture comes way before pakistan and other ethinic groups.

Before you call me an indian, i can trace my pure blooded family 300 years back all the way to daman in afghanistan near jalalabad, can you do the same?
may be you can trace yours all the way to delhi, he he he he he he
 
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