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*graphical!* Leaked American Abu Ghraib horror

I think the thread should be closed.While American Forces do treat POW very badly but it's all in their national interest and don't worry they will never invade Pakistan :).Saddam was no hero..The war was not legal but a super power can make mistakes.If we had that kind of war we would have done the same to Indians.

SA, pls grow a pair :):). The thread stays.
 
OMG. Unbelievable. the thread should remain open and if more pictures are available then must be posted because more and more people should see the real face of western democracy.
 
Well, it's a disgrace to say the least. We know that the Western media doesn't spare a single opportunity in maligning and spreading false propaganda against you know what and who. However, they are very quick to label such acts as the responsibility of a handful. Nope, just a few bad apples are responsible for the massive carnage and plundering taking place in occupied lands. They justify the criminality under the pretext of a few bad apples. Well, that's a convenient way to justify the atrocities committed against innocent people. In fact, many even openly boast and feel no remorse in applauding such atrocities. Sickening to say the least. All I care about is Pakistan not turning into Abu Ghraib.
 
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Any American here to Justify this?

S-2? Truthseeker? Solomon? Anyone?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:
 
Any American here to Justify this?

S-2? Truthseeker? Solomon? Anyone?

:rolleyes::rolleyes:

LOL Don't expect them to ever even enter this thread. They are no where to be found at such threads. Too much truth hurts. Still, they will try to justify such wrongdoings committed at the hands of their beloved army personnel. You'll be amazed!
 
this is horrific and a disgrace to humanity.
This should end now, before its too late.
 

These pics will make Mr. obamas job of trying to win Arab world hearts Almost impossible.when same was done to American soldier in Somalia they were called terrorist.
After the release of these and more to come pics American soldiers through out Middle east and Asia will become a target.
Civilized world at its best
 
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And yet you see Zardari in USA every other day with his mouth wide open and all of his teeth being shown while begging his masters to donate more since he is short of cash and Beliwal bhutto fee is coming soon.
 
I've been talking about this for years, mentioned it several times on the forum.

Hell these images are the least horrifying the Pentagon is still withholding images of obscene vile crimes against women, crimes that I dare not type here, and sodomy of young boys in front of their mothers.

They don't want to release this because as they know once the pictures are released, you will see on the bottom of your news ticker "Car bomb explosion kills 300 US soldiers in Baghdad this evening...".

I want all of you to read my post from a month back, it was in response to the Swat flogging video...

On the other side, you think this video is bad, you should see how US troops and US mercenaries treat people in Abu Ghraib and at Baghram base in Afghanistan...

You know it could have been worse, yeah they are giving her a whipping and for some sensitive viewers that's a "OMG!!!"...But I'm just saying these "Taliban" or some of us who believe these are agents of foreign powers, as bad as their reputation is in the eyes of those who criticize them, things could have been much worse.

Compare to Abu Ghraib and Baghram base, this was not nearly as bad.


I maybe a bit off topic....

But here's something to think about!!!



This video of "Taliban" flogging a woman in Swat Valley was allowed to surface and be played on a major internet news online source and now circulate, and allowed to be shown to the public.


But in Abu Ghraib and Baghram we haven't even seen those videos! (not all of them, many of them are withheld even today) Even after years later, so imagine how terrible and horrendous those tapes must be! That we the public are not even allowed to have a glimpse, imagine the immense and total outrage. The Second those videos are seen you will see on the news ticker 300 US Soldiers dead in Iraq after a car bomb explosion.

Get what I'm saying here...Just trying to show you something from a different dimension.


Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...deo-girl-17-flogged-taliban-savages-swat.html
 
And then DS made a post in response to mine about Abu Ghraib and Baghram...

I response with this.



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"I don't give a flying **** what happened in Abu Ghraib or Bagram, when such things are happening in my beautiful country."

Yaar how can you say this, I don't understand why you would have such apathy for those who suffered there. I think maybe because you are not fully aware of what happened there, I can show you some footage that was leaked from Abu Ghraib, some testimonies, and the stories of those who suffered there...I think you will recant your words. Maybe, I shouldn't show you because you maybe become what these people fear "an extremist" or "Islamic militant" trust me the horrors in the prisons were that deep!


I understand you are upset about this situation DarkStar, I hope you cool down soon. Again I hope you read my first post in this thread, I think it is these people who parade around as the "Mujahideen" should be stoned, and PA should do what they swore to do...

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Back to the thread topic

One thing I noticed is the guys do the flogging did this in public, in plain view. They apparently even allowed cell phone cameras to record the punishment. So at least we are aware of what is going on now, and PA should take further action there.


Also if you guys are so upset about this, didn't Pakistani Government allow Shariah law in Swat Valley...Technically if it is allowed, than many scholars would argue flogging is not an illegal punishment. But obviously as we know you cannot flog for minor reasons and knowing the unfair, bias, illegitimate form of judiciary these "militants" have, they have no right to be enforcing the divine Shariah.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/curren...deo-girl-17-flogged-taliban-savages-swat.html



I hope you understand I have been long ahead in exposing this darkness.
 
Also understand the top ranks and officials in the US army, Pentagon and Defense Sec. Donald Rumsfeld gave an order to "soften up" the prisoners and detainees at designated US prison camps...

The terrorist soldiers and guards were given orders that contradict the Geneva Convention, which the US is a signatory of, this resulted in this legally ordered torture.
 
The way to prevent such horror and torture inflicted upon your people by a foreign or regional power is to have a mighty military and Nuclear weapons.
 
LOL Don't expect them to ever even enter this thread. They are no where to be found at such threads. Too much truth hurts. Still, they will try to justify such wrongdoings committed at the hands of their beloved army personnel. You'll be amazed!

There is no justification as to what happened at Abu Ghraib. Those prisoners were horribly beaten and abused by soldiers who's job was to treat the prisoners humanely.

What you forgot to add in your original post is that the soldiers who committed the abuse were punished. Here is the punishment the soldiers recieved....

Cpl. Charles A. Graner Jr., 372nd M.P. Co.

Convicted by a general court-martial in January 2005 on five counts of assault, maltreatment and conspiracy.

The charges against Graner stemmed from a number of incidents at Abu Ghraib in November 2003. Among the charges were striking a detainee with a metal baton, stomping on detainees' hands and bare feet, and hitting a detainee "with a means or force likely to produce death or grievous bodily harm." He was also charged with photographing detainees he had ordered to strip and masturbate, as well as a pair of detainees whom he had ordered to simulate fellatio.

Graner received a 10-year prison sentence and a dishonorable discharge from the Army, and was reduced in rank to private.

Pfc. Lynndie England, 372nd M.P. Co.

Convicted by a general court-martial in September 2005 on one count of conspiracy, four counts of maltreating detainees and one count of committing an indecent act.

England was photographed holding a leash tied to a detainee's neck, smiling while pointing at hooded and naked detainees, and giving a thumbs-up sign next to a group of naked detainees bound and stacked in a pyramid.

England was sentenced to three years in prison and received a dishonorable discharge.

Staff Sgt. Ivan Frederick II, 372nd M.P. Co.

Pleaded guilty before a general court-martial in October 2004 to conspiracy, dereliction of duty, maltreatment of detainees, assault and committing an indecent act.

The charges against Frederick included arranging naked detainees in a human pyramid, ordering detainees to strip and masturbate, forcing two detainees into a position simulating fellatio and posing for a photograph while sitting on top of a bound detainee. He was also charged with participating in an incident in which a hooded detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his hands and told that if he fell off, he would be electrocuted.

Frederick was sentenced to eight years in prison and the forfeiture of pay. He also received a dishonorable discharge and a reduction in rank to private.

Spc. Jeremy Sivits, 372nd M.P. Co.

Pleaded guilty before a special court-martial in May 2004 to four counts of taking photographs of detainee abuse in November 2003.

The charges against Sivits included escorting detainees to be abused by other soldiers and taking photographs of detainees forced into a human pyramid.

Sivits was sentenced to one year in military prison, was educed in rank and received a bad-conduct discharge from the military.

Spc. Sabrina Harman, 372nd M.P. Co.

Convicted by a general court-martial in May 2005 of conspiracy, maltreating detainees and dereliction of duty.

The charges against Harman included posing in a photograph giving a thumbs-up next to a dead detainee, photographing and videotaping detainees while they were forced to masturbate, writing "rapeist" (sic) on a detainee's leg, and participating in an incident in which a hooded detainee was placed on a box with wires attached to his hands and told that if he fell off, he would be electrocuted.

She was sentenced to six months in prison and received a bad-conduct discharge.

Sgt. Javal S. Davis, 372nd M.P. Co.

Pleaded guilty before a general court-martial in February 2005 to assault, dereliction of duty and lying to investigators.

The charges against Davis included arranging detainees on the floor to be abused by other soldiers, stomping on detainees' hands and bare feet, striking at least one detainee and jumping on a pile of detainees.

Davis was reduced in rank, was sentenced to six months in prison and received a bad-conduct discharge.

Spc. Megan Ambuhl, 372nd M.P. Co.

Pleaded guilty before a summary court-martial in September 2004 to failing to prevent or report maltreatment of prisoners.

Ambuhl received a reduction in rank to private and the loss of half a month's pay.

Spc. Armin J. Cruz Jr., 325th M.I. Battalion

Pleaded guilty before a special court-martial in September 2004 to conspiracy and mistreating prisoners.

Cruz confessed to forcing detainees to strip and crawl on their hands and knees, to pouring cold water on detainees and to helping position detainees for a photograph so that they appeared to be sodomizing one another.

Cruz was sentenced to eight months in prison, was reduced in rank to private and received a bad-conduct discharge.

Spc. Roman Krol, 325th M.I. Battalion

Pleaded guilty before a general court-martial in February 2005 to two counts of abusing detainees and one charge of conspiracy abuse.

Krol admitted to pouring water on naked detainees, forcing them to crawl around on the floor and throwing a foam football at them while they were handcuffed.

Kroll was sentenced to 10 months in prison, received a bad-conduct discharge and was reduced in rank to private.

Any person in the military that commits such abuses should be prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law. :usflag:
 

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