Graphic of India and Pakistan's underwater nuclear deterrent

[Hassan Guy]

http://www.hisutton.com/images/IndoPak_CASD-infographic.jpg

 

[Chanakyaa]

You Forgot to Add :

- 'Club-S' and 'Club-N'
- Brahmos

Besides There is NO comparison of Babur with K4/K15 . They differ isn Technology, Roles and Capability. Besides, there is NO point in comparing SSBN with SSK !

 

[nahmed69]

You also forgot to mention daal roti in Club N

 

[Hassan Guy]

You also forgot to mention daal roti in Club N

How is it that you joined in 2006, and are still a new recruit?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

You Forgot to Add :

- 'Club-S' and 'Club-N'
- Brahmos

Besides There is NO comparison of Babur with K4/K15 . They differ isn Technology, Roles and Capability. Besides, there is NO point in comparing SSBN with SSK !

All three are export variants... Club being conventional missiles

Brahmos isnt a nuclear neither a SLCM.

BTWN... Babur III is just a start.

 

[Chanakyaa]

All three are export variants... Club being conventional missiles

Brahmos isnt a nuclear neither a SLCM.

Dear Elite Member, Plz Update yourself :

Submarine-launched variant :

The submarine-launched variant of Brahmos was test fired successfully for the first time from a submerged pontoon near Visakhapatnam at the coast of Bay of Bengal on 20 March 2013. This was the first vertical launch of a supersonic missile from a submerged platform. The missile can be launched from a depth of 40 to 50 m (130 to 160 ft). In late January 2016, Russia confirmed that future Indian-made submarines would be armed with smaller version of the missile that could fit inside a torpedo tube.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dear Elite Member, Plz Update yourself :

Submarine-launched variant :

The submarine-launched variant of Brahmos was test fired successfully for the first time from a submerged pontoon near Visakhapatnam at the coast of Bay of Bengal on 20 March 2013. This was the first vertical launch of a supersonic missile from a submerged platform. The missile can be launched from a depth of 40 to 50 m (130 to 160 ft). In late January 2016, Russia confirmed that future Indian-made submarines would be armed with smaller version of the missile that could fit inside a torpedo tube.

Source?

P.S : Yakhont isnt nuclear capable.

 

[Chanakyaa]

Source?

P.S : Yakhont isnt nuclear capable.

Dear Elite Member,

Brahmos IS Nuclear Capable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos

If Brahmos is Yakhont, the JF17 is F7 ; MKI is Su 27 and Mig 35 is Mig 29

 

[nahmed69]

How is it that you joined in 2006, and are still a new recruit?

hahaha thats true....meri qismat

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

Dear Elite Member,

Brahmos IS Nuclear Capable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos

If Brahmos is Yakhont, the JF17 is F7 ; MKI is Su 27 and Mig 35 is Mig 29

No real sub capability... or planned.. air capability worked on..
http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10


Also id stay away from this source.. which talks about vedic missiles etc
Ever heard of an anti ship nuclear missile?

Even under MTCR nuclear capable missiles cant be sold or exported
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/mtcr



As for Yakhont... dont fool yourself or others

http://idrw.org/?p=18845

There are at least four explanations for this in the whisper corridors but nothing official has come yet from the Russians. One such explanation is that except for the P-700, the rest of the Russian fleet has 300Km missiles, same range as the BrahMos. The argument is that anything bigger would require heavier ships and subs because the P-700 is a 7 ton missile and only the Kirov class carries it.



The other explanation is that the Russians currently don’t have a requirement for BrahMos because they are not inducting new ships like India is. Russia’s latest inductions will happen only later this year for the new Gorshkov class frigates. The new ships will either be equipped with BrahMos or Klub missiles, depending on the budget. Klubs are cheaper but BrahMos is more capable.



Third, many Russian experts view BrahMos as a downgraded Yakhont and so why should Russia choose it instead of Yakhont? It is pointed out that Yakhont is the export name for the P-800 Oniks. BrahMos is just the short range version of Yakhont. The Indians wanted a longrange missile but the Russians could not give it because of the MTCR (Missile TechnologyControl Regime) stipulations and so they gave the shorter version (BrahMos) to the Indians.



Fourth, Russia cannot incorporate whatever they have learnt from the BrahMos because everything for the missile is out sourced from Russia. The missile’s seeker, guidance,navigation and fire control systems are all India’s responsibility for manufacturing along with the firing mechanism. Why should Russia develop the same things again and incorporate these into the Oniks?



However, BrahMos has a greater tactical value over Yakhont. While Yakhont is an anti-shipcruise missile only and can be fired from ships, BrahMos can be used against any land or seabased target and can be fired from any platform be it land, sea, air or underwater.



BrahMos a Game Changer for India



Whatever Russia’s reasons are for not integrating the BrahMos missiles in its armed forces yet, for India BrahMos is a potent weapon and a veritable game changer. In view of this, Antony, in his February 19, 2013 speech announced that the Indian government has decided to expand the infrastructure at multiple centres to cater to larger production requirement of BrahMos missiles and systems. He said the Indian armed forces consider BrahMos to be an important weapon due to its speed, precision and power.



Antony also said that the cooperation between the scientists and scientific expertise of India’s DRDO and Russia’s NPOM and many other organizations from India and Russia has proved that there is a way to do things faster and take the lead in the world. He pointed out that the partnership has blossomed and yielded results, which have not been achieved by any other country.



The minister said that the role of DRDO, NPOM and the quality assurance agencies ingrooming this industry to achieve high technology levels and a superior quality product has indeed resulted in customer’s delight, that is, the Indian defence forces. He remarked that this process has resulted in a new trend of thinking, in terms of a collaboration and joint venture, as India too could share its technology and products with others.



Indian Air Force Chief NAK Browne in his address said that the modified Su-30 Mk-1 aircraft will soon be equipped with BrahMos missile. It should be pointed out in this context that the Indian Army and the Navy have already got BrahMos, while the IAF will get it by 2014. The integration of the new BrahMos missile on to Sukhoi’s Su-30MKI long-rangefighter is due to reach a key milestone this year with integration of the weapon on test aircraft, ahead of planned first deliveries to the IAF in 2014

P.S: Yakhont was always air launch capable..
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Even airlaunched version had :

The Izvestia daily quoted a defence industry source as saying that the BrahMos missile, test fired from the Russian-built frigate INS Teg, had a new satellite guidance system borrowed from Russia’s long-range cruise missile X-555 and its latest version, X-101. The new guidance technology, which uses Global Navigation Satellite System (Glonass) — Russia’s alternative to the U.S. Global Positioning System (GPS) — has been added to the BrahMos’ Doppler-inertial guidance system to increase its range and precision.

yakhont

brahmos

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/russia/ss-n-26.htm


Last time you became upset over russian helpin india with arihant which was dead before the russians came to rescue and now this.

Dear Elite Member,

Brahmos IS Nuclear Capable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos

If Brahmos is Yakhont, the JF17 is F7 ; MKI is Su 27 and Mig 35 is Mig 29

Except JF-17 isnt a F-7.. and MKI is an upgraded variant of su-27 ...called Su-27P...and so on.


SU-27 variants
Su-27 - basic, pure A2A, over 20 years old, soviet variant - Su-27UB is two seater variant
Su-27SK - upgraded Su-27 with some new systems and limited A2G capabilities (not on Chinese Su-27SK) - UBK is two seater variant of SK
Su-27SK2 - more advanced modernizacion fo RuAF
Su-30 (Su-27P) - two seat interceptor with air refueling probe
Su-33 (Su-27K) - carrier based variant of Su-27SK
Su-34 (Su-27IB) - bomber variant to replace Su-24, the most advanced Su-27 in serial production so far.
Su-35 (Su-27M) - demonstrator, Russians are going to use avionics from it in modernization of old Su-27 (but engines and hull stay the same - no canards, no trust vectoring etc), and if they will run out of airframes for modernization they are considering to start serial production of Su-35 or Su-37.
Su-37 (Su-27MP) - demonstrator, Su-35 with TVC engines.
Su-27SMK - Su-27 airframes upgraded with the avionics package of the Su-35


Variants for export:
Su-30K - Su-30 for export
Su-30MK - first multi role variant, two seater.
Su-30MKM - proposed version for Malaysia
Su-30MKA - export version for Algeria
Su-30MKK - export version for China
Su-30MKK2 - improved for naval attack (in use by Chinise Navy)
Su-30MKI - for export to India (advanced French/Israel avionics, trust vectoring, canards etc.), much better then MK/MKK
Su-32FN - proposed export variant of Su-34
basic Su-27 and Su-27SK are also offered for export

 

[wali87]

Dear Elite Member,

Brahmos IS Nuclear Capable.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/BrahMos

If Brahmos is Yakhont, the JF17 is F7 ; MKI is Su 27 and Mig 35 is Mig 29

Well u got that right bahmos is definitely yakhont, su 30 an upgrade of su27, mig35 upgraded version of mig 29.. common platform .but only a blind and dumb person would call jf17 an f7.

 

[Chanakyaa]

No real sub capability... or planned.. air capability worked on..
http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=10&sid=10


Also id stay away from this source.. which talks about vedic missiles etc
Ever heard of an anti ship nuclear missile?

Even under MTCR nuclear capable missiles cant be sold or exported
https://www.armscontrol.org/factsheets/mtcr



As for Yakhont... dont fool yourself or others

http://idrw.org/?p=18845

There are at least four explanations for this in the whisper corridors but nothing official has come yet from the Russians. One such explanation is that except for the P-700, the rest of the Russian fleet has 300Km missiles, same range as the BrahMos. The argument is that anything bigger would require heavier ships and subs because the P-700 is a 7 ton missile and only the Kirov class carries it.



The other explanation is that the Russians currently don’t have a requirement for BrahMos because they are not inducting new ships like India is. Russia’s latest inductions will happen only later this year for the new Gorshkov class frigates. The new ships will either be equipped with BrahMos or Klub missiles, depending on the budget. Klubs are cheaper but BrahMos is more capable.



Third, many Russian experts view BrahMos as a downgraded Yakhont and so why should Russia choose it instead of Yakhont? It is pointed out that Yakhont is the export name for the P-800 Oniks. BrahMos is just the short range version of Yakhont. The Indians wanted a longrange missile but the Russians could not give it because of the MTCR (Missile TechnologyControl Regime) stipulations and so they gave the shorter version (BrahMos) to the Indians.



Fourth, Russia cannot incorporate whatever they have learnt from the BrahMos because everything for the missile is out sourced from Russia. The missile’s seeker, guidance,navigation and fire control systems are all India’s responsibility for manufacturing along with the firing mechanism. Why should Russia develop the same things again and incorporate these into the Oniks?



However, BrahMos has a greater tactical value over Yakhont. While Yakhont is an anti-shipcruise missile only and can be fired from ships, BrahMos can be used against any land or seabased target and can be fired from any platform be it land, sea, air or underwater.

Dear Elite Member ,


I hope you will maintain the decorum of your synergy for defence topics and the "ELITE" title , and GIVE ME ONE and ONLY ONE ( I repeat "ONE" ) 'Credible' Source which says that Babur III can carry NUCLEAR weapons ?

Before you paste the link kindly verify the parameters as laid for "Brahmos Sources" .

Now, Plz visit an EYE doctor OR Learn to READ. Why ?

You Say :

No real sub capability... or planned.. air capability worked on..

http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/03/21/india_tests_submarine-launched_brahmos_missile_23097
http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...-brahmos-submarine-version-tested-460723.html

Which State :

India successfully test fired a submarine-launched version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile on Wednesday, the BrahMos Aerospace Russian-Indian company said.

The missile was launched vertically from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal and flew its complete range of over 290 kilometres, BrahMos chief executive Sivathanu Pillai said.

From the Makers : http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=20

And this Pic too :

Ever heard of an anti ship nuclear missile?

Are you really having comprehension issues , Mr. Elite Member ?

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/04/20...d_sukhoi_is_bad_news_for_indias_enemies_42687

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/brahmos.htm

You can see how many times the word "Nuclear" IS used in BOTH "Credible" and "Non Vedic" Sources.

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

M

Dear Elite Member ,


I hope you will maintain the decorum of your synergy for defence topics and the "ELITE" title , and GIVE ME ONE and ONLY ONE ( I repeat "ONE" ) 'Credible' Source which says that Babur III can carry NUCLEAR weapons ?

Before you paste the link kindly verify the parameters as laid for "Brahmos Sources" .

Now, Plz visit an EYE doctor OR Learn to READ. Why ?

You Say :


http://in.rbth.com/economics/2013/03/21/india_tests_submarine-launched_brahmos_missile_23097
http://www.newindianexpress.com/sta...-brahmos-submarine-version-tested-460723.html

Which State :

India successfully test fired a submarine-launched version of the BrahMos supersonic cruise missile on Wednesday, the BrahMos Aerospace Russian-Indian company said.

The missile was launched vertically from a submerged platform in the Bay of Bengal and flew its complete range of over 290 kilometres, BrahMos chief executive Sivathanu Pillai said.

From the Makers : http://www.brahmos.com/content.php?id=20

And this Pic too :

Are you really having comprehension issues , Mr. Elite Member ?

http://in.rbth.com/blogs/2015/04/20...d_sukhoi_is_bad_news_for_indias_enemies_42687

http://www.globalsecurity.org/military/world/india/brahmos.htm

You can see how many times the word "Nuclear" IS used in BOTH "Credible" and "Non Vedic" Sources.

Even your own sources take a leak on your leaks..

No mention of nuclear capability anywhere except low class Indian sources ...! Not even on Brahmos page...

Which itself nullifies your claim about any planned submarine capability... Read your own sources ... Which ironically talk about so called "Vedic missiles" banned by Hindu gods to prevent destruction..


Neither can any nation export nuclear capable missiles or platforms... Not even a yakhont export variant...

 

[Chanakyaa]

M


Even your own sources take a leak on your leaks..

No mention of nuclear capability anywhere except low class Indian sources ...! Not even on Brahmos page...

Which itself nullifies your claim about any planned submarine capability... Read your own sources ... Which ironically talk about so called "Vedic missiles" banned by Hindu gods to prevent destruction..


Neither can any nation export nuclear capable missiles or platforms... Not even a yakhont export variant...

That Epic ! lol

In Short, "Hey...I know I was Wrong.. But hey.. Why would i Admit It" ?

Mr. Elite Member, We have MADE Brahmos > If we dont know its Properties/Capabilities then who will ? lol

We know Brahmos Better than You ( The same way You know Babur better than Us ) !

If you really are an "ELITE" member behave/reply like that ; Dont give Hillarious replies.

 

[ranadd]

All three are export variants... Club being conventional missiles

Brahmos isnt a nuclear neither a SLCM.

BTWN... Babur III is just a start.

Klub class missiles are nuclear capable.

Brahmos IS nuclear and Submarine launched. Whether you like it or not. Tests are complete. Issue is the VLS/UVLS systems from the 75I is not ready.

Agreed about Babur 3. As a weapon system, Babur 3 has less or no impact on India. Around 350 Km is the EEZ of any nation. Babur has 450KM reach. So making sure the delivery system want to remain silent, it will stay out in International waters to make the hit. Pretty sure Mumbai and Vizag will be high in the list. Mumbai already has the S300 and Akash ABM system in place. soon it will get S400 as well. So yes, Babur 3 has to go a long way to be taken serious by the Indian Government. It is not a slight. Pakistan is taking the Israeli route. Commendable.