Govt. making the Indian Navy bleed

[Thorough Pro]

Crap article. Indian government did spend more thant 100 million dollars to have this sub moderenized in Russia that took two long years for complete overhaul and instalting new equipment and weapons.. it was pure incompetence on part of indian navy during weapon loading/re-fuelling to start the fires and cause explosions. Had an old sub sunk in deep sea, the "old equipment" argument would have made any sense.

 

[SQ8]

It would have made sense if this were not a modernized sub which probably went through an extensive check of its internals and mechanics. So the article is true to an extent but its basing its position on an entirely wrong event. At this point, the IN is scheduled for a massive upgrade.. upgrades take time and unlike mobile telephones cannot be purchased off the shelf. The writer must realize that normally even cars take a few days or weeks before they are delivered. And here we have massive ships and submarines.

Also, it would be prudent if the gentleman who wrote the article is reminded that almost EVERY armed force in the world has had to make massive cuts in their military programs to the world economy. Unless India wishes to disconnect itself from the effects of this demon called a global economy, it will have to pay the price.

 

[Chinese-Dragon]

America spends 5% of GDP on defence, and Saudi Arabia spends up to 10% of GDP on defence.

It's OK to raise defence spending, as long as you don't go crazy like the Soviet Union and spend 20-30% of GDP on defence.

There is a trade-off though. By spending less on defence, you can spend more on the economy. A lot of people were angry with Deng Xiaoping when he cut millions of troops from the PLA and massively cut down defence spending.

But look what Deng Xiaoping's reforms did for our economy. There is always a trade-off. That said, anywhere from 2% to 5% is optimal, if you want fast economic growth at the same time.

 

[Alphacharlie]

America spends 5% of GDP on defence, and Saudi Arabia spends up to 10% of GDP on defence.

It's OK to raise defence spending, as long as you don't go crazy like the Soviet Union and spend 20-30% of GDP on defence.

There is a trade-off though. By spending less on defence, you can spend more on the economy. A lot of people were angry with Deng Xiaoping when he cut millions of troops from the PLA and massively cut down defence spending.

But look what Deng Xiaoping's reforms did for our economy. There is always a trade-off. That said, anywhere from 2% to 5% is optimal, if you want fast economic growth at the same time.

Thank you...first logical note I have come across from a Chinese Member....thanks again.

 

[Screambowl]

This was the only wing of Military doing well. Our bikau netas are now behind navy to spoil its operation capabilities.

 

[Mike_Brando]

America spends 5% of GDP on defence, and Saudi Arabia spends up to 10% of GDP on defence.

It's OK to raise defence spending, as long as you don't go crazy like the Soviet Union and spend 20-30% of GDP on defence.

There is a trade-off though. By spending less on defence, you can spend more on the economy. A lot of people were angry with Deng Xiaoping when he cut millions of troops from the PLA and massively cut down defence spending.

But look what Deng Xiaoping's reforms did for our economy. There is always a trade-off. That said, anywhere from 2% to 5% is optimal, if you want fast economic growth at the same time.

actually what you said was 100% correct.a large country like India which have a large border and multiple potential enemies should spend atleast 3-4% of its G.D.P. in defense irrespective of the fact that the economy is booming or slowing down.but the unfortunate thing for the Indian Armed forces is that for the last 10 years the defence spending has gone down from over 2% of the G.D.P. to the current defense budget which is a mere 1.79% of the G.D.P.the current Govt. of India is more concerned about implementing its populist policies so that it can get a sizeable amout of votes from the poorer section of the society.while its intentions seems good but in reality this is hurting the Armed Forces pretty bad.
the current defense budget for the fiscal year 2013-14 was Rs.2.03 trillions which is a mere 12.23% of the planned Govt.(central Govt. only) expenditure for this fiscal year and its the lowest allocation among all the planned govt. expenditure(social service got the highest allocation as usual).so comparing it with the current G.D.P. of India its only around 1.79% which is even lower than what the Govt. had allocated for defense in 2012-13(it was 1.85% of the G.D.P.).
so you can clearly see that India can easily increase the defense budget to around 25% of all planned Govt. expenditure by cutting all these social service schemes which will be equivalent to around 3.58% of the current G.D.P. of India.
there was a time in the 1980s when the Govt. used to spend more than 3% of the G.D.P. on defense and in 1987 the defense spending was 3.43% of the G.D.P. when the Late Rajiv Gandhi was the prime minister of India.those were the golden days for the Indian Armed Forces!

 

[Black Eagle 90]

Most of India's submarines have lived 75% of their operational life and many of them will be decommissioned in a phased manner in the coming years.

The explosion on board the INS Sindhurakshak has blown the lid off the Indian Navy’s claims of battle-preparedness. Most of India's submarines have lived 75% of their operational life and many of them will be decommissioned in a phased manner in the coming years.

Strategic experts claim that successive Indian governments have been obsessed about designing land-based plans to counter Pakistan and China and the navy always took a back seat.

The Indian Navy is supposed to guard the 7,500 km-long coastline, 1,200 plus islands, and 2.2 million sq km of exclusive economic zone (EEZ). It is also meant to control the Indian Ocean region which contains one-third of the world's population and 40% of the world's oil and gas reserves.

“Induction of submarines into our navy was done more or less in an episodic way. The last of the submarines of the Sindhughosh class was inducted in 1999, 2000. And since then, there has been no new induction, which shows huge lacuna on the part of the government in assessing the situation,” said defence and strategic expert Commodore (retired) C Uday Bhaskar.

“If the Scorpenes get delayed any further, the Indian Navy will be left with just about four or five submarines by 2020,” said a senior navy officer, requesting anonymity.

Six Scorpene submarines are currently being built in Mumbai in collaboration with French firm DCNS. The first of these will be ready by 2016-17.

“The Indian Navy is more like a Cinderella Service. It paid a heavy price, because of the inability of bureaucrats and politicians to arrive at the right strategic assessment,” said Bhaskar.

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I am 100% sure that Russian could secure a bigger deal with IN; if they offer:
6 Akula SSBN (out of 15 Russians) with upgrades.
6 Amur 1950 SSKs
6 Amur 950 Coastal SSKs

with commitment of providing them till 2020 all of them.

 

[Nexus]

I am 100% sure that Russian could secure a bigger deal with IN; if they offer:
6 Akula SSBN (out of 15 Russians) with upgrades.
6 Amur 1950 SSKs
6 Amur 950 Coastal SSKs

with commitment of providing them till 2020 all of them.

no man,
i "think" our gov. will buy subs with TOT Type-214 and those chap scprpince(forgive me i never write this spelling).
amd those akulas are too old and we are currently building ATV subs. Fore more info. Akula-class submarine - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia