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Govt forced to withdraw ISI decision

Unfortunately elected Prime Minister has no authority. All the authority is in
the hands of non elected leaders such as Asif Zardari and Nawaz Sharif.

Let us face the truth. Real boss of the Interior Ministry is Mr Rehman Malik; an unelected Security Advisor who gets the same protocol as the PM. IMO Asif Zardari wanted ISI to report to his henchman Rehman Malik instead of the Prime Minister.

And who told you that?


PM that Zardari picked is the man who was put in jail for 5 years without charge, and was tortured by ISI members to quite PPP or join PML-Q.:lol:

There is reason why Zardari picked him, ISI internal elites have all kinds pain when looking at the person who they tortured is the PM now.

We need to track down the sleeper cells inside ISI that continuously take orders from the establishment, what ever happened it sure has shook ISI. One day they will have to obey the civilian government, this elite ISI was initiated by traitor Zia, it was his Gestapo, we need to change that mentality of some of the elites put in charge in ISI by Musharraf. Sooner or later ISI will need to be reformed according to the civilian governments needs.
 
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The Army and the ISI rules the country.

The Pak PM had to rescind his order within 24 hours on foreign soil!!

Imagine the PM has no power to decide what he wants!!

If that is democracy, then it sham democracy as Musharraf had said!!

Kiyani is King!!

Why does Paksitan have to go through a charade of elections and waste money?!

Let the Army rule. There will be continuity as in China where there is no democracy, but they are doing well!

As it is, they control all the arms of the industry and economy!
 
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The Army and the ISI rules the country.

The Pak PM had to rescind his order within 24 hours on foreign soil!!

Imagine the PM has no power to decide what he wants!!

If that is democracy, then it sham democracy as Musharraf had said!!

Kiyani is King!!

Why does Paksitan have to go through a charade of elections and waste money?!

Let the Army rule. There will be continuity as in China where there is no democracy, but they are doing well!

As it is, they control all the arms of the industry and economy!

Salim
You know as well as I do that this is not new to the region. Indira Gandhi was sent packing in the 60s by the COAS when she wanted to change certain things t do with armed forces funstioning. In this case I think Kiyani is right.ISI is already under the PM,so essentially under the control of an elected representative. What is the sense of changing that.
Secondly, this is turf war between a fledgeling institution and an established organized old guard. Being the new kid on the block, you cant sneek orders through without consulting the established members. It is as simple as that. If the Army had faith in the democratic setup, then it woud probably have gone through. But a Government that is so reluctant to take any step in any direction should not interfere in the working of estabished institutes without establishing its credentials. Elected it may have been, but established and working it is not. and here lies the problem.
Regards
Araz
 
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The Army and the ISI rules the country.

The Pak PM had to rescind his order within 24 hours on foreign soil!!

Imagine the PM has no power to decide what he wants!!

If that is democracy, then it sham democracy as Musharraf had said!!

Kiyani is King!!

Why does Paksitan have to go through a charade of elections and waste money?!

Let the Army rule. There will be continuity as in China where there is no democracy, but they are doing well!

As it is, they control all the arms of the industry and economy!

:chilli: seems some people are getting more heart burn more than the unelected Rehman Malil, CIA and Unelected Zardari.

The face of Rehman Malik was worth watching during US tour damn all his and his masters' dreams to destory ISI dashed to grounds
 
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Pot calling the kettle black - showing off bundles of cash recieved in return for a particuar kind of behaviour in the Indian parliament is of course not "sham democracy" - some indians seems desperate to paint others in unkind terms but that says a lot about them. :wave:
 
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The ISI demoted
Tuesday, July 29, 2008
Ahmed Quraishi

It's not democracy's fault. So something has to be wrong with Pakistani politicians. Consider the magnificent blunder of removing an army chief midair and ordering the pilot to land in India. Or – even better – picking Saturday night to neutralize one of the formidable spy agencies of the world, the ISI.

The agency has three enemies: Karzai's puppet regime, the Indians, and some elements in Washington with an acute case of 'Pakistan-phobia'. Why a newly-elected government in Islamabad would choose to identify itself with this company is a mystery, especially when the Pakistani military is completely detached from politics. There are no threats to this elected government from any quarter.\

In fact, if the spooks were to conspire against this government, they'd do their best to keep it in power for as long as possible. This current administration is worse than the half dozen governments that paralyzed Pakistan for nine years and led to our first military intervention in 1958. It's worse than the 'lost decade' of 1990s. In fact, this government is a slam-dunk for the camp that wants to do away with the parliamentary system in favour of a strong elected executive.

And why not? This system is fraught with deformities. Never before was Pakistan under the influence of so many unelected officials after an election. If elections were supposed to produce a remote-controlled prime minister, what was so wrong with Mr Shaukat Aziz?

Instead of presenting the ISI's severed head on a platter to US officials, Prime Minister Gilani should have arrived in Washington armed with the secret information that has prompted the Pakistani military leadership to order a joint intelligence probe into the range of contacts that Indian diplomats and intelligence operatives in Afghanistan have developed with sectarian and other terrorists in Hangu, Swat and the tribal belt. And while at it, the prime minister could have asked President Bush to probe the fate of 'Prisoner 650' at Bagram, suspected to be a Pakistani woman allegedly raped, tortured and kept in a cage by US soldiers in a men's facility. Rights activists believe she could be Dr Afia Siddiqui who disappeared from Karachi along with her three underage kids in 2003.

The fact is that this is a government whose principals could not assume power in Islamabad without Washington's help in arranging the infamous law that wiped clean their legal histories. People think this government would be obliged to President Musharraf since he passed that law. But going by the current intrigues, this is not the case. So who is this government siding with anyway?

Last week, this government fired Munir Akram, our UN envoy. This polished diplomat from interior Sindh has been an effective diplomatic cannon for Pakistan at the world body. While no one is indispensable, Akram is shown the door just when Pakistan is supposed to counter this week India's moves to get preferential treatment from the IAEA. The Americans want Pakistan to lay off and not create problems for India on this count. Akram's removal at this time is nothing less than a back-stab.
The other relevant questions are: why is this government keeping Beijing without a Pakistani ambassador for this long? President Hu Jintao of China has already approved the name of a nominated Pakistani ambassador. Why has this government ordered the said ambassador to stay put in Islamabad? Again, who in Washington is advising this government to tilt away from our most important strategic ally? Why is it that patriotic officials influencing foreign policy are anathema to this government? Both Mr Akram and Dr Shireen Mazari were effectively defying some of our overbearing western allies, especially the Americans. Both were tersely removed from office.
None of this, however, justifies changing the government. It justifies changing the system. Or a decade from now, we'll end up with another political quirk. We had a plane hijack ten years ago and a Saturday night ISI demotion this time.

The ISI demoted
 
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ISI Bad? grow up! the more productive the ISI, the more enemies will react, it goes with the territory.


A failed civilian coup


Thursday, July 31, 2008
Ikram Sehgal

Timed to go into effect before the prime minister reached the US, the bizarre government notification at nine pm on July 26, putting both the ISI and the IB under the "administrative, financial and operational" control of the federal interior ministry was no accident, it was deliberately intended to (1) demonstrate grandly to the US while the prime minister was there that the civilian govt had "brought the ISI to heel" and (2) enhance and solidify Asif Zardari's control over the country.

With both the ISI and the IB already reporting to the prime minister, the perception of creating "civilian control" was not simply for US consumption, the gamble was no one would react while the Pakistani PM was in the US, the inadvertent tacit US approval would have made it a fait accompli. It took only six hours for those who control the democratically elected government to see light; an urgent press release at 3am on July 27 by the Press Information Department (PID) "clarified" the notification as having been "misunderstood"
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Though questionable given the controversy about the individual concerned, putting the IB under the ministry of interior is understandable since its primary mission is internal. The ISI being Pakistan's first line of defence against external enemies, and of this category there is no dearth. What was the logic it should report to the ministry of interior? Would the COAS ring up Section Officer Rafique (or whoever) to find out the order of battle (ORBAT) of the Indian army or the movements about its armoured divisions? Lt-Gen (r) Hamid Gul, former DG ISI, said there would be celebrations in India and Israel about the ISI's potential being emasculated. Control of intelligence agencies by responsible democracy is necessary but this logic is superseded by doubt about the constitutional legality of unelected individuals being privy to national secrets.

Everyone wants the elected assemblies to continue, but governance must be in the hands of those who have been elected by the people. Public servants or those taking oath of office are subject to the Official Secrets Act; and even that requires further scrutiny for higher security clearance. For democracy to function legally, Asif Zardari must be elected as an MNA and become prime minister, and once he takes oath of office, his security grading will stop all such controversy.

Our enemies, as all enemies are apt to, earnestly desire our disintegration and/or Balkanisation at the very least to disarm us of our nuclear assets. There is a nexus between them and misguided extremists who have become pawns of enemy intelligence agencies with one objective and one objective alone, to put the Pakistani state under pressure by engaging the armed forces internally and bringing its image under disrepute. While many of ISI exploits are unheard and unsung, unfortunately the advance publicity about the ISI's "political wing" creates misgivings among the citizens and tarnishes its image unnecessarily. This detracts from its primary role. The "black" propaganda is exploited by our enemies. A former DG ISI incredulously maintains that technically the 'internal security' division of the ISI has additional political tasks among its functions and hence that a 'political wing' does not even exist! What astounding logic! It surely merits in Ripley's 'Believe it or not' and – jokes aside – undercuts our credibility as a state. The 'political function', or whatever one may technically call interference in civilian governance, must be stopped forthwith.

The ISI is usually tarred and feathered by the western media without verifying facts fed to them by hostile agencies. Increasingly more sophisticated in spreading its message, the media is an invaluable instrument in pursuing the objectives of war during times of peace. Propaganda is meant to achieve during peace what is impossible to do on the battlefield. The Christian world has many nuclear states, Israel is Jewish and nuclear, India is Hindu (despite its secular credentials) and nuclear. Why are we not offered the same nuclear deal as India, given that we are an energy-deficient country with a large population? Look at the logic and arguments denying Muslim Iran nuclear potential. The same arguments could hold good for Pakistan, being the only Muslim state having nuclear weapons and the means to deliver them. We could be targeted next.

Emasculating the ISI had relevance only to personal gain, having nothing to do with national interest. This fiasco is a national "wake-up call" to save the country from being sold, literally, at bargain prices to the highest bidder. The small clique running Pakistan today on behalf of the PPP and its coalition partners could have taken this calculated risk of reining in the ISI for even commercial reasons. Considered to be the largest known reserves in the world, Thar's coal deposits could fulfil Pakistan's energy needs for years to come. A government delegation travelled a few weeks ago to Mumbai to get leading Indian industrial giants in energy involved in exploiting our coal reserves (there was also discussion about the sensitive telecommunication sector). The ISI must have reported adversely against pursuing any joint venture with India in this sensitive border area, and in the vital energy sector.

Trade with India is a must but on an equitable and reciprocal basis. One questions the motivation for the generosity in the recently announced one-sided India-centric trade policy. Can this large-heartedness account for why India has opened consulates in Afghanistan on our troubled western borders except to add fuel to the fire by funding and arming terrorists? And that innocent Pakistanis are dying all over the country as a result. Partially diverting strategic reserves from our eastern borders, is it a coincidence that suddenly the LoC is coming alive?

The first civilian coup was getting Benazir Bhutto's will accepted wherein Asif Zardari and his unelected associates took control over a great national political party and seemingly turned it into a private fiefdom. A hundred days later, the next civilian coup succeeded in duping Mian Nawaz Sharif in entering into an agreement that the government had no intention of honouring. The Grand Slam of civilian coups (coincidentally after another 100 days) was designed for total control.

There would have been turmoil within the ranks if the govt had not smartly retracted from its unambiguous notification. This is a wake-up call not only for the citizens of this country but for those in uniform. This should be the proverbial straw that breaks the camel's back. The nature of his job imposes upon the army chief an unenviable responsibility, that his presence is for the good of Pakistan.

Pervez Musharraf may be vilified for any number of reasons but no one can question his patriotism. For the sake of Pakistan one appeals to the president to correct two major blunders immediately. He should repeal the National Reconciliation Ordinance and withdraw the decision to impose a provisional constitution order on Nov 3, 2007. As for Justice Iftikhar Chaudhry, Senator Aitzaz Ahsan and the lawyers' community, for the sake of this country they must reciprocate by not going the route of vengeance and adjust to living with the president and those judges who took oath on the PCO. This holds true for the only nationally-electable leader left, Mian Nawaz Sharif. Whenever nations are in crisis, leaders are expected to rise above their individual agendas to secure the country's sovereignty and integrity
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The writer is a defence and political analyst. Email: isehgal@pathfinder9 .com
 
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The ISI flip-flop: Anatomy of Defective Decision-Making

by Nasim Zehra

Media Monitors Network - Sunday, August 3, 2008

Prior to the Prime Minister Yusuf Raza Gaillani's departure for the US, a detailed meeting on Pakistan-US relations covering the security matters was at the Prime Minister's House. The key professional security men including the Army Chief and the DG ISI were present. The PPP's co-Chairperson Asif Zardari, the man now with the last word on most key government decisions, also participated. His political appointee the National Security Advisor, a retired general, security analyst well-known to the Bush team and to President Parvez Musharraf tipped and Gaillani's fellow traveler to the US, was also present. For PPP leader Zardari, the army chief and the ISI chief are both past Musharraf emissaries to Benazir Bhutto and now who Zardari in his capacity as the country's final authority on national matters, engages with. There was a general consensus among the participants on how the Prime Minister and his team would articulate in Washington the well-known Pakistani concerns and also the Pakistani response to equally well-known US concerns. For a more effective response to the acute internal security crisis, the participants agreed on the need for better coordination among various intelligence agencies. The growing external critique of Pakistan's intelligence agencies especially of the ISI, by sections of the Indian, the Afghan and the US government may also have been discussed. There was no discussion at all on altering the reporting line of the ISI.

Following the meeting Gaillani departed for the US and Pakistan's Press Information Department (PID) issued a circular announcing that through amendment in the Rules of Business the Prime Minister's decision that the ISI and IB would, with immediate effect, be placed under the control of the Interior Ministry. This decision like all others was undoubtedly led by the PPP co-Chairperson with input from other undisclosed sources. By all accounts the matter was not discussed in any Cabinet meeting, it was not put before the parliament or any parliamentary or Senate Committee and none of the coalition partners were consulted. Similarly the justification to alter the reporting line was not discussed with the Ministry of Defense or the three services chiefs or the Chairman Joints Chief of Staff Committee who are the heads of institutions currently directly involved in the operations and the output of the ISI. The Advisor on Interior , to whose ministry the IB already reports, must have had an input in the decision.

While the Constitutionally-mandated Executive authority does allow the Prime Minister to amend the Rules of Business, his move raised endless questions regarding what his decision was meant to achieve. The IB and ISI were already reporting to the Prime Minister and what would demoting the ISI's reporting line from the elected Prime Minister and the country's Chief Executive to a ministry achieve?

Also in violation of a basic rule of hierarchy and reporting lines that requires individuals and institutions with narrower mandates to report to authority with a broader mandate, the PID circular announced that ISI would report to the Interior Ministry which Constitutionally has a narrower mandate than that of the ISI. The ISI's mandate is to provide strategic intelligence, including external threat perceptions and covert operations, to the Prime Minister, the three Armed Forces and to the Joint Service Headquarters. ISI's Internal security wing, however, does cover internal security matters including providing security clearance for the armed forces personnel, work on counter-intelligence to undermining intelligence assets of the adversarial countries deployed within Pakistan. There is also the extremely notorious section of the internal security wing which has actively contributed to the mutilation of Pakistan's political evolution. Hence, the ISI's mandate is far broader than that of the institution the PID notification was instructing it to report to.

There were other issues regarding the institutional and operational impact of this decision especially on the ISI. ISI currently functions with a 65 army and 35 civilian ratio of staff. Of the 65% almost 90% are serving officers while 10% are contractual retired military men. The 35 % are hired by the ISI's own internal hiring team which includes the Additional Secretary of the Defense Ministry. The ISI functions under multiple authorities. Operationally, it is under the PM, officers are seconded by the army, the final promoting authority for the civilian employees on the ISI recommendation is secretary of Defense Ministry while the army chief headed board recommends promotion of the eight major generals that head the eight ISI wing and ISI 's budget allocation technically comes from the Ministry of Defense. With such a complex institutional arrangement placing the agency under the Interior Ministry was quite simplistic.

Constitutionally and according to the Rule of Business, the ISI operations are sensitive and, therefore, secretive and require the clearance of the Prime Minister and to some extent of the army chief. Switching its command to the Minister of Interior would undermine ISI's working. Almost all national intelligence agencies report to the country's Chief Executive. He must get input from all intelligence agencies without being vetted by other ministries, to then enable him with input from other Constitutionally relevant individuals, to arrive at appropriate decisions.

How and why the July 26 decision then was made? Perhaps the defense of decision by the PPP co-Chairperson is a revealing one. The press quoted him as saying that the decision was made to deflect international pressure on the ISI and enable the elected government to effectively defend the ISI. Indeed against the back drop of the deadly attack in Kabul on the Indian embassy, the rising attacks inside Afghanistan on the ISAF forces, the firing along the LOC and increase attacks inside India, the increasingly harsh criticism of the ISI by the US, Indian and Afghan trio is unceasing. Conversely there is Pakistan's official claim that India and Afghanistan are supporting the attackers conducting increasingly deadly attacks on Pakistan's security forces in the tribal areas, NWFP and in Baluchistan.

So, should external criticism of ISI warrant a secretively-taken, suddenly sprung and PID- notified decision to change its chain of command? Certainly, not. Such a haphazard move that was reversed within 12 hours makes mockery of the functioning of Pakistani State institutions as much of those who make such decisions.

The decision was reversed after the Prime Minister had flown off but while the PPP co-chairperson was still in Pakistan. On advice from relevant individuals Zardari reversed the decision. Subsequently a private channel Business Plus quoted him saying that the earlier notification "had made it clear that the role of the Ministry of Interior would be of an assistant in the affairs looked after by the ISI, adding that the second notification had clarified all ambiguities in this regard." Reportedly he also complained that the some elements were trying to create a misunderstanding between the government, army and intelligence agencies which enjoyed good relations.

However, beyond this amateurish, thoughtless flip-flop decision-making there is nothing sacrosanct about any State institution and when required steps must taken to improve the accountable and effective functioning of all institutions. ISI as an institution, in addition to existing accountability mechanisms, has long needed stringent oversight by bipartisan elected authority to make its operations more accountable to elected authority. IB while under the exclusive control of the elected Prime Minister has also functioned as a personal tool to fight political battles against the political opposition. If conducted within the Constitutional parameters using institutional avenues, such oversight would streamline the workings of the ISI and the IB. As for external criticism the governments managing CIA, MOSSAD, MI5 and RAW etc seldom seek to external popularity for their intelligence agencies!

The critique of the elected government's move, notwithstanding, there are specific issues regarding the oversight, management of Pakistan's premier intelligence agencies that need to be addressed. The ISI of the post-eighties especially needs to be streamlined. The CIA-ISI nexus through the anti-Soviet Afghan war under an army dictator’s leadership catapulted ISI into it into an intelligence supremo with its unaccountable spread of activities. Its patrons of the past are its harsh critics today and internally its political users of yesterday want it cut down to size.

As an institution that must promote and protect Pakistan's interests abroad it must remain a secret and dreaded organization but one wholly accountable to an elected and responsible body of people. Four specific steps must be taken to streamline ISI's workings:

One, for more regular reporting to the Prime Minister a regularized system of ISI and IB reporting to the Prime Minister must be evolved. At present, the initiative to report on the strategic environment and threat perceptions etc, to the elected PM, based on media reports has mostly been taken by the agencies. The elected authorities appear more proactive on issuing instructions to agencies on the domestic political front.

Two, for greater control of the workings of the ISI and other intelligence agencies, these should be put under the parliamentary review and oversight through in-camera briefings to the Defense committees of National Assembly and Senate. The creation of Intelligence Subcommittees of these two Defense Committees is long overdue. This would enable parliamentarians with security clearance to receive briefings on sensitive issues.

Three, greater coordination among intelligence agencies and the key policy makers are required. Regular meetings of the Defense Committee of the Cabinet needs to be held, essentially, a constitutionally mandated body needs to be reactivated by the elected government.

Four, the elected government must arrive at a consensus to disband the notorious political department of the ISI's internal security wing. For decades this department has mutilated the political evolution of Pakistan.

Clearly, mature management of State affairs requires persons in decision-making positions to be politically credible, knowledgeable and competent. If a State and society needs to be successfully steered towards stability, progress and internal unity, there is no room for immature, reactive, secretive and cliquish decision-making. Far less in Pakistan, which by virtue of the multiple internal crisis and the major security crisis that surround it, still remains in the eye of the storm.

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Thus far the backtracking on the ISI issue has been the best thing that could have happened for Pakistan in the current situation. I, for one, am extremely happy that this key instrument of the state policy has been saved from emasculation.

There is a need for the ISI to be aggressively involved in Counter Intelligence work right now against at least two entities. Shuffling and moving ISI under a useless Ministry of Interior would actually detract the ISI from doing the work that it needs to.

For any Pakistan well-wisher, this is a good news. Unfortunately the person who made this call (Zardari) is totally out of his league and has no clue how much damage this can cause to Pakistan at this juncture.

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Musharraf: Conspiracy Being Hatched Against ISI and Pakistan Army

Pakistani President General (Retired) Pervez Musharraf has said that a conspiracy is being hatched against the Pakistan Army and the Inter-Services Intelligence (ISI) controlled by it, according to a report in the Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Khabrain.

The ISI has recently been in international news headlines, especially after criticism from India, Afghanistan and the U.S. for its role in last month's attack on the Indian Embassy in Kabul.

A few days ago, the civilian government of Prime Minister Yousuf Raza Gilani promised India that the charges would be investigated.

According to the report, President Musharraf said that any attempt to weaken the ISI is tantamount to weakening the Pakistan Army, the War on Terror and Pakistan. He said the ISI is Pakistan’s first line of defense.

President Musharraf’s statement on the ISI assumes significance in view of the emerging distance between the civilian government led by Prime Minister Gilani and the military establishment led by Army Chief General Ashfaq Kiyani and Gen. (R) Musharraf.

Last week, the Pakistani president issued a two months’ deadline to the civilian government to come out with a clear and comprehensive package to tackle growing inflation, law and order problems and deteriorating political stability in Pakistan. The Urdu-language newspaper Roznama Express quoted Musharraf as saying that lack of economic and political stability is turning out to be a big challenge for Pakistan.

According to the Roznama Express report, President Musharraf asked the civilian government to understand the gravity of the problem and prepare a comprehensive policy ‘’within one or two months.’’ His two month deadline raises a question mark on the durability of the civilian government that came to power after the February polls.

Source: Roznama Khabrain, Pakistan, August 4, 2008; Roznama Express, Pakistan, August 1, 2008

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