Govt confirms deal for ultra-light howitzer artillery guns with the US has hit a dead-end

[SamBahadur]

The companies can always use the same range as the OFB guns. All it takes is some backing from the Army and MoD.

The new govt. does appear more interested in public-private partnerships one way or the other.

Bro please post weight nd other comparisons

 

[Gessler]

Bro please post weight nd other comparisons

Weight
--
M777 : 4,400 kg
KULH : 4,500 kg

Effective Range
--
M777 : 24km standard, 30km BB, 40km with Excalibur
KULH : 22.4 km standard ; 30km Assisted ammo (BB) ; probably capable of firing Krasnopol-M or Excalibur, but not known

Rate of fire
--
M777 : normal 2 rpm, maximum 5 rpm
KULH : normal 1-2 rpm, maximum 4 rpm

Emplacement time
--
M777 : 2:10 minutes
KULH : less than 3 minutes

Displacement time
--
M777 : 2:23 minutes
KULH : less than 3 minutes

Other specs like caliber etc. are the same, both are 155mm 39-cal howitzers and both guns are air-portable
by C-130J (maximum 2 guns can be flown at one time) and CH-47 Chinook (one gun slung beneath chopper).

M777 is undoubtedly the 'better' one of the two, but comes at hugely expensive prices, we can get much larger
numbers of domestically-built ULHs which are almost equally capable at a fraction of the price...all the import costs
also removed.

 

[janon]

Weight
--
M777 : 4,400 kg
KULH : 4,500 kg

Effective Range
--
M777 : 24km standard, 30km BB, 40km with Excalibur
KULH : 22.4 km standard ; 30km Assisted ammo (BB) ; probably capable of firing Krasnopol-M or Excalibur, but not known

Rate of fire
--
M777 : normal 2 rpm, maximum 5 rpm
KULH : normal 1-2 rpm, maximum 4 rpm

Emplacement time
--
M777 : 2:10 minutes
KULH : less than 3 minutes

Displacement time
--
M777 : 2:23 minutes
KULH : less than 3 minutes

Other specs like caliber etc. are the same, both are 155mm 39-cal howitzers and both guns are air-portable
by C-130J (maximum 2 guns can be flown at one time) and CH-47 Chinook (one gun slung beneath chopper).

M777 is undoubtedly the 'better' one of the two, but comes at hugely expensive prices, we can get much larger
numbers of domestically-built ULHs which are almost equally capable at a fraction of the price...all the import costs
also removed.

If these numbers are true, then it makes no sense whatsoever to go for the M-777. Buy domestic and let the money circulate within the country. Is the Kalyani gun made of Titanium as well? And how far has it been developed? When will it be ready to enter service?

 

[Hamartia Antidote]

We should go for DESI howitzers. Screw overpriced American Shit.

It's British. They were contracted by the US Marines to build it.

M777 howitzer - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

M777 Light Towed Howitzer
Type Howitzer
Place of origin

United Kingdom

 

[holysaturn]

The modernized 105mm indian field gun is still an affordable unit,lighter than m777,can be effective when used with base bleed or rocket assisted shells. Both US and UK use similar guns dont know why wants to phase it out in favor of 155mm guns

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

Its a private company. They can sell to whomever they want.
GoI just has a yes/no say in this.

Wrong quote! Sorry!

 

[VelocuR]

India doesn't have money enough or can't afford? Now stop saying to Pakistan's lack of funds.

NEW DELHI: The government on Friday confirmed the long-pending $885 million deal with the US government for 145 ultra-light howitzers, which were to be acquired for the new Army divisions being raised along the border with China, had hit a dead-end.

TOI was the first to report that the proposed deal for the M-777 howitzers, which had escalated from $647 million (Rs 3,882 crore) to $885 million (Rs 5,310 crore), was not going to be inked because the Indian defence establishment felt the artillery guns were way too expensive.

Moreover, artillery manufacturer BAE Systems has "failed to come with a viable and compliant offsets package'' in what was supposed to be a government-to-government deal under the US foreign military sales (FMS) programme.

"The case has not progressed due to cost issues and because the vendor has not been able to come up with a proposal fully-compliant to the offset requirements," said defence minister Arun Jaitley, in a written to Lok Sabha on Friday.

The defence establishment feels "alternatives" to the M-777 howitzers can be found at half-the-cost involved. The Army, however, has been demanding 155mm/39-calibre light-weight howitzers, with a strike range over 25-km range, for around a decade without any success till now.

Such howitzers can be swiftly air-lifted to "threatened high-altitude areas" along the 4,057-km Line of Actual Control (LAC) with China, which has the military infrastructure in place to swiftly mobilize troops and equipment to outnumber Indian forces by 3:1 there.

The howitzer project, among others, is meant to equip the new XVII Mountain Strike Corps (90,000 troops) being raised to gain "quick reaction force capabilities" against China.

The Indian Defence Acquisitions Council (DAC) in June 2006 had formally given the go-ahead for acquiring 145 ultra-light howitzers from abroad. But the frontrunner, the Pegasus gun of Singapore Technology Kinetic's, was ejected after the firm was blacklisted in the corruption scandal against former Ordnance Factory Board chairman Sudipto Ghosh.

India then went in for the M-777 howitzers under the FMS programme, which does not involve an open competition. The US Defence Security Cooperation Agency in January 2010 notified its Congress of the Obama administration's intention to sell the 145 M-777 guns to India for $647 million. The US offer was renewed in August 2013 with the new project cost being pegged at $885 million.




Govt confirms deal for ultra-light howitzer artillery guns with the US has hit a dead-end - The Times of India

 

[Chanakya's_Chant]

India doesn't have money enough or can't afford? Now stop saying to Pakistan's lack of funds.

And as far as funds are concerned - We have enough to spend because our ECONOMY supports our Defence expenses very well which is not the case with Pakistan

 

[SamBahadur]

India doesn't have money enough or can't afford? Now stop saying to Pakistan's lack of funds.

there's a thick line of difference between being expensive and lacking sufficient funds

 

[Alfa-Fighter]

India doesn't have money enough or can't afford? Now stop saying to Pakistan's lack of funds.

The end is not due to fund , its because they company not offer plan to invest in India, read the post carefully.