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Govt allows import of life-saving drugs from India

Why cant Pakistan get the medicine from China instead?
Chinese are not competitive on Pharma exports as much as India

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For 2015 India is the 10th largest Pharmachuetical exporter while China is 16th as approx 50% in value of exports.

http://www.trademap.org/Country_SelProduct.aspx

China dominates the Active ingredients market though

Also, Chinese themselves are desperately trying to import life saving cancer drugs from India.




When patients get caught between cancer and crime - China - Chinadaily.com.cn

After businessman Lu Yong was charged with "the sale of fake drugs" and "impairing credit card administration", the case once again set off debates over unlicensed overseas anti-tumor medicines.

In contrast with patented drugs sold for higher prices, partially resulting from huge R&D expenditure by initial developers, the compulsory license practice enabled an Indian generic version to be more affordable. In China, there is also such a stipulation in patent law, which has never been resorted to.

The 46-year-old owner of a textile export company in Wuxi, Jiangsu province, Lu helped buy Indian medicines, which are unlicensed in China, via credit cards that turned out to be illegal.

Under the current legal system, drugs that have not been given the green light by related authorities are considered fake, even if they are effective, prosecutor Luo Jian, who is dealing with the case, told Beijing Times.

People who provide accounts for the sale of fake drugs will be treated as accomplices, according to the law, Luo said.

Lu himself was diagnosed with chronic myeloid leukemia in 2002 and began to take Gleevec, developed by Swiss pharmaceutical giant Novartis for use in the treatment of multiple cancers.

The anti-tumor drug recommended by his doctor was priced around 23,500 yuan ($3,777) per box at that time and he needed to take one box a month.

As the medicine is not covered by the national medical insurance system, he told Chinese Business View that he spent 600,000 to 700,000 yuan on his treatment in the first two years after his diagnosis and was almost broke.

In 2004, Lu began to turn to Gleevec's Indian version, Veenat, which had a similar effect yet cost much less, 3,000 yuan, if bought directly from India. He shared his find with other leukemia patients in support groups at social network platform QQ. As a result, more than 1,000 members of the groups followed suit.

Complicated procedures that involve filing various documents in English for the shipments remained a "torture" for many of these new buyers. So Lu served as an interpreter for them, free of charge.

The price of Veenat continued to fall over the years, because of growing group purchases. The cost, including mail charges, had dropped to around 200 yuan by September 2013, Lu said.

To tap into the huge underground market, the Indian company opened bank accounts in China to facilitate remittance yet faced frequent problems due to restrictions and technical issues in transnational payments.

The company asked Lu, one of their earliest Chinese buyers, to use his own account as a bridge, he told media.

They had previously used accounts belonging to two patients in Yunnan province, through which Lu and others suffering from leukemia remitted payments for their medicines from India. But the account owners quit as the volume of trade grew because they were afraid of getting into trouble.

Lu took over the transfer role. He bought credit cards at an online shop in 2012 to remit payments for more than 1,000 patients a month. He said he didn't realize that the shop was "an illegal group specializing in credit card trade" until he was caught by police in November 2013.

He was prosecuted in Yuanjiang, Hunan province, in July 2014. The court was scheduled to hear the case in late November but it was postponed because of his health.

"I've just told those that are sick as me the medicine that can maintain our lives," he told the Oriental Morning Post. "They didn't buy medicines from me and I earned no difference or charged any fees."

Chinese Business View quoted him as saying: "If I were taken back in time, I would do the same. Our national policies cannot cover every patient. What I did is complementary to the shortcomings of the policies."

For him, the biggest benefit from providing his accounts might be the free drugs provided to him by the Indian company, as they had done with the previous account providers. Yet Lu said the exemption was not a big deal for him.

Prosecutor Luo said: "Law has its own bottom line. It is out of the question to give him an immunity from criminal liabilities just because he did it for others. Otherwise he would be followed and the law would be pointless."

According to the latest judicial interpretation by the Supreme Court released in November, the sale of a small number of unlicensed overseas medicines that do not damage or delay treatment is not considered a crime.

There is some humanity in the policy, Liu Guiming, chief-editor of Democracy and Law magazine, told The Paper.

It takes care of individual cases. When there is a patient in need of such medicine at home, the Indian drug is an option for consideration, Liu said.

Yet for cancer patients that need to take anti-tumor drugs in the long-term, it is easy to cross the line.

Lu said Gleevec in China is probably sold at the highest price in the world, much more than the $2,200 it costs in the United States. He called on foundations to help resolve the medical bills for cancer patients and suggested governments negotiate with companies to cut prices.

He said he hoped more anti-tumor drugs would be covered by national medical insurance. However Xiao Zesheng, a law professor at Nanjing University, told The Paper that paying too high prices for anti-tumor medicines will damage others' interests and is unfair to them. "The key is the high prices," he said.
 
Do you think we cannot sell these medicines (for more) to 150 other countries in the world that we regularly export to?

Do you think we have a dearth of patients waiting for treatment and surgery at major hospitals across the country from neighbiuring countries? Do you know what our surgical roster wait lists look like? All paying.

Good. So we've established that you're not doing anyone any favors.

Btw what plane of logic do you inhabit?
 
Good. So we've established that you're not doing anyone any favors.

Btw what plane of logic do you inhabit?

We are doing you a massive favor.

After what we get from you, there is no reason for us to save Pakistani lives.

No logic either.

Some would actually call it stupid.

Addendum: I really do not get this "common man" argument. As if there are two different entities that make up an enemy state. Those that wish you harm and try to kill you. And the common man. The Pakistan Army recruits soldiers who are common men. The ISI were all common men. Hafiz Saeed was a common man. Kasab was a common man. The Jihadis who attacked Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota were once all common men. Pakistan has 200 million common men. And the supply of common men morphing into those who would harm us is never ending. So if one were to say Pakistan is the epicentre of terrorism and the nursery of terror, then where does a nursery get its kids from?
 
We are doing you a massive favor.

After what we get from you, there is no reason for us to save Pakistani lives.

No logic either.

Some would actually call it stupid.

You are not. No one is in any confusion when it comes to Indian generosity. You are doing it for the money.

The Pakistani lives are being saved by the Pakistani doctors and the Pakistani money which is used to buy those medicines.

Come to think of it, we are doing you a favor by allowing you your forex reserves.

Addendum: I really do not get this "common man" argument. As if there are two different entities that make up an enemy state. Those that wish you harm and try to kill you. And the common man. The Pakistan Army recruits soldiers who are common men. The ISI were all common men. Hafiz Saeed was a common man. Kasab was a common man. The Jihadis who attacked Pathankot, Uri and Nagrota were once all common men. Pakistan has 200 million common men. And the supply of common men morphing into those who would harm us is never ending.

There is no "common man argument" here. We are united in the effort against Indian misadventurism, terrorism and atrocities against the innocent Pakistanis and Kashmiris. We also unanimously acknowledge the fact that any aggression or ill-will from India or Indians will be paid in kind. We also collectively recognise the desperate, although futile, Indian efforts of branding Pakistan a terror harbour against all logic and proof.

Make no mistake. You keep your ways and you wont find any quarter from any Pakistani. We are all very clear on that.

So if one were to say Pakistan is the epicentre of terrorism and the nursery of terror, then where does a nursery get its kids from?

From Indian fantasy, where else?
 
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That's fine. I see no problem with this, if it means saving lives, instead of taking them. India has a far better pharma industry than Pakistan does.

As for the little "another import from India" quip, Pakistan makes very little money from India. If anything, India is benefiting from Pakistan, far more than the other way around.
definately is a problem, i have no qualms about importing from india , infact am of the opinion to get the product cheapest from wherever
the problem that i have is we should be producing generic drugs ourselves , take a leaf from indias pharma industry and show the big pharma u cannot screw us
to hell with patents

pakistan import mainly cotton and medicines from india....

cotton , because of their textile industry which is also the main export industry of pakistan , and because pakistan can't get cotton from anywhere alse...

medicines , because indian medicies are mainly generic , which are cheap but equally effective compare to specilized drugs...very few states produce quality generic drugs because they have almost zero margin profit keep the true quality , pakistan can get madicines from china or west but they sell specilized salts which going to cost you 10 times to 1000 times more in price depending on the salt......
india do not make any money in selling these drugs , they are produce in india keeping in mind the overall health situation and exported just to keep the forex reserves ($)...

for example , a generic typhyd tablet cost 25 paisa and are given free at govt & charitable hospitals , but a specilized medicine at chemist shop might cost you up to 50 rs....

if you had read the article , it clearly says that pakistan is going to import medicines from india for non- commetcial purpose....thats means medicines for thier hospitals only , the generic one.
totally correct about medicine and thats what i wanted to say that we should copy ur model , not against trade with india but in the long run we should develop our pharma industry as well
 
they should have done it earlier... the dubai route is unnecessarily expensive
 
Do you think we cannot sell these medicines (for more) to 150 other countries in the world that we regularly export to?

Do you think we have a dearth of patients waiting for treatment and surgery at major hospitals across the country from neighbiuring countries? Do you know what our surgical roster wait lists look like? All paying.
a little correction, not only the neighbouring countries but the world!

You are not. No one is in any confusion when it comes to Indian generosity. You are doing it for the money.

The Pakistani lives are being saved by the Pakistani doctors and the Pakistani money which is used to buy those medicines.

Come to think of it, we are doing you a favor by allowing you your forex reserves.
Yes you're doing a huge favour on us by buying from us, Happy? You win...lets not turn this into another troll fest! I believe treatment should be available for any ill or diagnosed patient on this planet irrespective of his country, religion, color or economic status but sadly thats not the case! Only a suffering family knows what it goes through due to non availability of procedures, drugs, money, etc.
Jai Hind
 
Yes you're doing a huge favour on us by buying from us, Happy? You win...lets not turn this into another troll fest!

Not really. It's a simple business transaction. Your compatriot is just a special flower who doesn't understand anything else.
 
If you are someone who has to depend on medicines lifelong for survival (like Thyroid and other hormones, BP tablets etc), India is the only option to live without dying. They (EU,US) thrive on social security/insurance system which means, buying medicines over the counter will be VERY expensive.
 

Do you see a problem between us saving your lives (medicines, hospitals, doctors) and you taking ours (Jihadis, army, Kasabs) ???

I see a major problem here.
It's a economic transaction, this has very little to do with morals. Don't try and make this more than it actually is. Pakistan pays for the medicine, and in return for cash, India provideo the necessary product. Pakistan can buy them from other natons, the only reason it doesn't is due to price point.

pakistan import mainly cotton and medicines from india....

cotton , because of their textile industry which is also the main export industry of pakistan , and because pakistan can't get cotton from anywhere alse...

medicines , because indian medicies are mainly generic , which are cheap but equally effective compare to specilized drugs...very few states produce quality generic drugs because they have almost zero margin profit keep the true quality , pakistan can get madicines from china or west but they sell specilized salts which going to cost you 10 times to 1000 times more in price depending on the salt......
india do not make any money in selling these drugs , they are produce in india keeping in mind the overall health situation and exported just to keep the forex reserves ($)...

for example , a generic typhyd tablet cost 25 paisa and are given free at govt & charitable hospitals , but a specilized medicine at chemist shop might cost you up to 50 rs....

if you had read the article , it clearly says that pakistan is going to import medicines from india for non- commetcial purpose....thats means medicines for thier hospitals only , the generic one.
Notice how what you said and what I said don't contradict each other. The only thing i'd disagree on is the notion that India is getting nothing from this.

Besides, my comment was meant for more than just this deal, but rather overall trade, including the cotton trade. Pakistan is the larest buyer of Indian cotton, which is a purely commercial enterprise. Also, trade between the two is heavily skewed in the favor of India. Again, India makes more money from Pakistan, than Pakistan does from India.

definately is a problem, i have no qualms about importing from india , infact am of the opinion to get the product cheapest from wherever
the problem that i have is we should be producing generic drugs ourselves , take a leaf from indias pharma industry and show the big pharma u cannot screw us
to hell with patents
From my understanding, India buys the rights to a drug and then produces generic versioNS. Pakistan does do the same thing, but Pakistan's purchasing power, when it comes to pharmaceutical, is far smaller.
 
Not really. It's a simple business transaction. Your compatriot is just a special flower who doesn't understand anything else.

His compatriot is a surgeon. Who has operated on more than one Pakistani in the past 20 years. So he has a lot more standing to mouth of on this topic than you do.
 
His compatriot is a surgeon. Who has operated on more than one Pakistani in the past 20 years. So he has a lot more standing to mouth of on this topic than you do.

So he has himself earned a living off of a Pakistani's money? You're welcome.

How would a surgeon know anything more than any other on a topic that is as trivial and as general as drinking water? Strange man.

Should I ask a Pakistani mason about how the Indians should be forever grateful to us since we are generous enough to export them tonnes of cement everyday so that they can keep a roof over their children's heads? He would have a lot more standing to mouth of on that topic than you or I, right? You people......
 
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So he has himself earned a living off of a Pakistani's money? You're welcome.

How would a surgeon know anything more than any other on a topic that is as trivial and as general as drinking water? Strange man.

wow, you are special! Maybe another way of looking at it is that he saved the life of a pakistani which despite the money offered your country wasn't able to, Despite the hatred amongst their hearts for each other you see people of one country keep coming to their neighbour when it comes to saving their life or diagnosing their disease (i hope you know the countries here)!! Lack of skills, eh?
 
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