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Google to show China what it's missing

Google could be set for another tense showdown with the Chinese government after changing its search experience for users in the People’s Republic in a way that will explicitly notify them when their searches are being blocked by the authorities.

Senior vice president of knowledge, Alan Eustace, announced the changes in a blog post and managed to do so without mentioning the c-word, censorship, once.

The Google line is that searches made from mainland China and routed through its servers in Hong Kong “can be inconsistent and unreliable”, with users often presented with error message such as “This webpage is not available” or “The connection was reset”.

Google wanted to improve the search experience so it got its engineers to study some of the keywords causing problems – reviewing 350,000 of the most popular search queries in China in the process, Eustace explained.

“We’ve taken a long, hard look at our systems and have not found any problems. However, after digging into user reports, we’ve noticed that these interruptions are closely correlated with searches for a particular subset of queries,” he added.

“So starting today we’ll notify users in mainland China when they enter a keyword that may cause connection issues. By prompting people to revise their queries, we hope to reduce these disruptions and improve our user experience from mainland China. Of course, if users want to press ahead with their original queries they can carry on.”

The key problem for Chinese users is that the Great Firewall is a rather blunt instrument which can end up blocking innocent queries because they share the same Chinese characters as banned terms.

Google’s Eustace uses the example of ‘Yangtze River’, which can be blocked for users, diplomatically omitting to mention why it causes problems.

What he fails to mention is that the word for river is the same as that of the surname of former Chinese president, Jiang Zemin, whose name has been frequently banned from searches since false rumours of his death spread online last year.

The new search feature will alert users as they type in the offending characters and present them with the following message:

We've observed that searching for [insert search term here] in mainland China may temporarily break your connection to Google. This interruption is outside of Google's control.

Users can then learn more about the interruption via a link taking them to a help centre article, continue with their original query, which will be blocked, or edit their search term to use the pinyin system - used to transliterate Chinese characters into Latin script – to avoid unnecessary blocks.

Google of course famously pulled its search servers from China in early 2010 after a falling out with the government over cyber attacks and censorship, although searches from within the country to its Hong Kong servers are still censored as they have to travel through the Great Firewall.

Since then its market share has dropped to around 15 per cent in China, so perhaps the web giant feels now it has nothing to lose in “improving the search experience” in this manner for users.

However, the new feature is unlikely to sway the market in its favour. An overwhelming majority of China's internet users have plumped for home-grown search firm Baidu which self-censors and as such can offer a much smoother user experience.

In fact, Google will have to keep a constant eye on the ever-changing censorship landscape to ensure its new feature remains relevant, according to Hacene Taibi, CEO at Bejing-based SEO firm THEM, who told The Reg that "the pinyin option won't be used by 95 per cent of Chinese" as they are used to using hanzi, Chinese characters.

Although most of Google’s services are blocked in the People’s Republic its Android platform is in a market leading position there, so the firm wants to be careful about how far it pushes the patience of the Communist Party just a few days before the bloody anniversary of the Tiananmen Square uprising of 1989. ®

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Better search in mainland China

Over the past couple years, we’ve had a lot of feedback that Google Search from mainland China can be inconsistent and unreliable. It depends on the search query and browser, but users are regularly getting error messages like “This webpage is not available” or “The connection was reset.” And when that happens, people typically cannot use Google again for a minute or more. This video shows what’s happening:


We’ve taken a long, hard look at our systems and have not found any problems. However, after digging into user reports, we’ve noticed that these interruptions are closely correlated with searches for a particular subset of queries.

So starting today we’ll notify users in mainland China when they enter a keyword that may cause connection issues. By prompting people to revise their queries, we hope to reduce these disruptions and improve our user experience from mainland China. Of course, if users want to press ahead with their original queries they can carry on.

In order to figure out which keywords are causing problems, a team of engineers in the U.S. reviewed the 350,000 most popular search queries in China. In their research, they looked at multiple signals to identify the disruptive queries, and from there they identified specific terms at the root of the issue.

We’ve observed that many of the terms triggering error messages are simple everyday Chinese characters, which can have different meanings in different contexts. For example a search for the single character [江] (Jiāng, a common surname that also means “river”) causes a problem on its own, but 江 is also part of other common searches like [丽江] (Lijiang, the name of a city in Yunnan Province), [锦江之星] (the Jinjiang Star hotel chain), and [江苏移动] (Jiangsu Mobile, a mobile phone service). Likewise, searching for [周] (Zhōu, another common surname that also means “week”) triggers an error message, so including this character in other searches—like [周杰伦] (Jay Chou, the Taiwanese pop star), [周星驰] (Stephen Chow, a popular comedian from Hong Kong), or any publication that includes the word “week”—would also be problematic.

Now, when a user types in a common term like [长江] (Yangtze River) from China, Google highlights the problem term [江] as they type, and when they press “enter” a drop-down menu appears beneath the search box:

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Notices will appear matching the user’s language settings.


To learn more, users can click on the “interruption” link, which takes them to this help center article. They can continue with their original query (which will likely lead to an error message), or click “Edit search terms,” which will remove the highlighted characters and prompt users to try other search terms:

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In order to avoid connection problems, users can refine their searches without the problem keywords. For example, instead of searching for [长江], they could search for [changjiang]—which also means Yangtze River, but is written using pinyin, the system used to transliterate Chinese characters into Latin script. This won’t cause a timeout, but will still generate search results related to the Yangtze River.

We’ve said before that we want as many people in the world as possible to have access to our services. Our hope is that these written notifications will help improve the search experience in mainland China. If you’re outside China and are curious to see what the notifications look like, you can visit this link to try it out.

Posted by Alan Eustace, Senior Vice President, Knowledge

Note: To read this blog post in Chinese, see this PDF.

Better search in mainland China - Inside Search
 
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Good, more business for our domestic search engines then. :D

If foreign companies want to shoot themselves in the foot, why should we complain?
 
What a fantastic idea by google, Informing users that freedom of information is being restricted by their government.

A lot of Chinese would be oblivious to the fact that their government censors so much information.

Good, more business for our domestic search engines then. :D

If foreign companies want to shoot themselves in the foot, why should we complain?

I fail to see how informing their users that information is being censored will lose them business? I don't know how you came to that conclusion either.

Pretty silly.

If i was a Chinese citizen, i would be using the search engine that informed me what information my government was censoring.
 
Good, more business for our domestic search engines then. :D

If foreign companies want to shoot themselves in the foot, why should we complain?

Why would the CCP want you to view in Baidu what it doesn't want you to view in Google?
 
What a fantastic idea by google, Informing users that freedom of information is being restricted by their government.

A lot of Chinese would be oblivious to the fact that their government censors so much information.



I fail to see how informing their users that information is being censored will lose them business? I don't know how you came to that conclusion either.

Pretty silly.

If i was a Chinese citizen, i would be using the search engine that informed me what information my government was censoring.

That would be like a major party pooper for a lot of Chinese on PDF, wouldn't it??
 
I fail to see how informing their users that information is being censored will lose them business? I don't know how you came to that conclusion either.

Because if you don't follow the rules, you get booted out.

They tried this game once, and they failed. So they left the mainland and set up here in HK, though they still provide search services for all of China.

If i was a Chinese citizen, i would be using the search engine that informed me what information my government was censoring.

Well I am a Chinese citizen (specifically a Hong Konger) and I can tell you that I don't particularly care.

Any information I want I can find out one way or another. Ask me anything you like, about the Tiananmen incident, about Chairman Mao causing mass starvation during the Great Leap Forward, about the self-immolation of Tibetan monks and about the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang. :lol:

Funny how it always seems to be non-Chinese who are so determined to speak on our behalf, without even bothering to ask for our opinions. If you really were fighting on our behalf, surely you would care to ask our opinion first?
 
Good, more business for our domestic search engines then. :D

If foreign companies want to shoot themselves in the foot, why should we complain?

GOOGLE IS JUST INFORMING THE USER ABOUT THE STUFF BEING CENSORED BY CHINA .....SO IF THE CONTENT IS CENSORED FOR GOOGLE SEARCH ...IT WILL BE CENSORED IN THE CHINESE SEARCH ENGINES TOO.....SO NO WAY THEY END UP BEING BETTER THAN GOOGLE...

ON THE OTHER HAND IF CHINA DECIDES TO BAN GOOGLE....GOOGLE WILL LOOSE BUSINESS BUT ITS THE CHINESE CITIZENS LIKE YOU WHO WILL LOOSE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION
 
GOOGLE IS JUST INFORMING THE USER ABOUT THE STUFF BEING CENSORED BY CHINA .....SO IF THE CONTENT IS CENSORED FOR GOOGLE SEARCH ...IT WILL BE CENSORED IN THE CHINESE SEARCH ENGINES TOO.....SO NO WAY THEY END UP BEING BETTER THAN GOOGLE...

ON THE OTHER HAND IF CHINA DECIDES TO BAN GOOGLE....GOOGLE WILL LOOSE BUSINESS BUT ITS THE CHINESE CITIZENS LIKE YOU WHO WILL LOOSE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION
Common sense is not so Common....:azn:
 
i still dont understand why chinese government is still allowing google to operate in china.

they should have been kicked out when they interfered in our internal affairs.

i hope this time, we permantently ban them from operating in china.

google is a well known CIA tool to spy on others.
 
i still dont understand why chinese government is still allowing google to operate in china.

they should have been kicked out when they interfered in our internal affairs.

i hope this time, we permantently ban them from operating in china.

google is a well known CIA tool to spy on others.
Actually its Facebook. :azn:
 
Because if you don't follow the rules, you get booted out.

What? Did you even read the article? They aren't breaking any rules or laws.

They tried this game once, and they failed. So they left the mainland and set up here in HK, though they still provide search services for all of China.

You obviously didn't read the article. What you just mentioned is an entire different deal.

Well I am a Chinese citizen (specifically a Hong Konger) and I can tell you that I don't particularly care.

You don't care that your government restricts and censors information that you want access to? I call BS. As shown in the google video, they are even restricting people from looking up some natural river systems.

Are natural rivers a threat to national security? :woot:


Any information I want I can find out one way or another.
So you have no problem living in a society where you have to find information the hard way and secretly because your government is censoring and restricting it?

Ask me anything you like, about the Tiananmen incident, about Chairman Mao causing mass starvation during the Great Leap Forward, about the self-immolation of Tibetan monks and about the terrorist attacks in Xinjiang

Ask yourself this, is the information you have on those events correct? Probably not. You probably have the Chinese government version.

Funny how it always seems to be non-Chinese who are so determined to speak on our behalf,

I am not trying to speak on anyones behalf. I am just really excited and happy for the Chinese people who use Google who are frustrated with the service because of the Chinese government censorship.

without even bothering to ask for our opinions.
I am friends with many Chinese, and they have expressed to me their delight, hence why i'm commenting. You are just upset that we aren't asking for your opinion which is PRO-censorship.

If you really were fighting on our behalf, surely you would care to ask our opinion first?
I'm not fighting on anyones behalf. Stop putting words into my mouth. As i said above, everyone knows you are PRO-communism and PRO-censorship so its pointless asking for your opinion on the matter as we already know it.
 
GOOGLE IS JUST INFORMING THE USER ABOUT THE STUFF BEING CENSORED BY CHINA .....SO IF THE CONTENT IS CENSORED FOR GOOGLE SEARCH ...IT WILL BE CENSORED IN THE CHINESE SEARCH ENGINES TOO.....SO NO WAY THEY END UP BEING BETTER THAN GOOGLE...

ON THE OTHER HAND IF CHINA DECIDES TO BAN GOOGLE....GOOGLE WILL LOOSE BUSINESS BUT ITS THE CHINESE CITIZENS LIKE YOU WHO WILL LOOSE FREEDOM OF INFORMATION

The example given is ridiculous, no firewall will block the word "river" just because it is the last name of a past president. Foreigners always believe that Chinese are robots and don't know a thing outside. I am wondering wondering where such kind of arrogance came from.

What kind of "free information" one will lose? When someone does a search, it is either political sensitive issues or normal knowledge search. And for anyone who is interested in politics or different historical view, it takes about 5 minutes to download a proxy. Everyone who is in or have a high school degree knows this, and Chinese government knows this. If you take a look of the list of blocked sites in China, they are either anti-China sites like Falungong's site, or business sites that have conflict interests with local company (Youtube - Youku, Facebook - Sinanet/Tencent, Twitter - Sinanet Weibo, Google - Baidu). News site like CNN/BBC/HuffingtonPost/TOI/Yahoo are accessible everywhere in China so anyone can read foreign news if he wants. I think Chinese government is pretty happy if everyone believes that sites are blocked for "free" information so no trading disputes are raised.
 
You don't care that your government restricts and censors information that you want access to? I call BS. As shown in the google video, they are even restricting people from looking up some natural river systems.

I do care, but I care about other things more. Like inflation or corrupt local officials.

Information is easy to find, it's not exactly difficult to cross the firewall. It just requires you to jump through a few extra hoops (proxy servers) and it's done. People do it all the time.

Frankly I am sick and tired of outsiders trying to speak on our behalf. Just come over here and ask us.

I'm not fighting on anyones behalf. Stop putting words into my mouth. As i said above, everyone knows you are PRO-communism and PRO-censorship so its pointless asking for your opinion on the matter as we already know it.

I am NOT pro-Communism at all. :rofl: Where did you get such a ridiculous idea from, or is it just another stereotype?
 

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