[getpocket.com] Why 40% of Vietnamese People Have the Same Last Name

[vi-va]

Japan bring civilization to us? Seriously?

Japanese use 汉字 han character. Chinese don't use Japanese. People like @cochine brain washed by their textbook, without knowing what's civilization at all. Pathetic.

 

[AViet]

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In the United States, the most popular last name is Smith. As per the 2010 census, about 0.8 percent of Americans have it. In Vietnam, the most popular last name is Nguyen. The estimate for how many people answer to it? Somewhere between 30 and 40 percent of the country’s population. The 14 most popular last names in Vietnam account for well over 90 percent of the population. The 14 most popular last names in the US? Fewer than 6 percent.

In the U.S., an immigrant country, last names are hugely important. They can indicate where you’re from, right down to the village; the profession of a relative deep in your past; how long it’s been since your ancestors emigrated; your religion; your social status.

Nguyen doesn’t indicate much more than that you are Vietnamese. Someone with the last name Nguyen is going to have basically no luck tracing their heritage back beyond a generation or two, will not be able to use search engines to find out much of anything about themselves.

This difference illustrates something very weird about last names: they’re a surprisingly recent creation in most of the world, and there remain many places where they just aren’t very important. Vietnam is one of those.

The existence of last names in Vietnam dates to 111 BC, the beginning of a lengthy thousand-year occupation of the country by the Han Dynasty in China. (There were a few short-lived attempts at independence before the Vietnamese kicked the Chinese out in 939 AD.) Before this time, nobody really knows how the Vietnamese handled names, due to lack of written records. In fact even the name “Vietnam” comes from the Chinese; “viet” is the Vietnamese version of the word the Chinese used to describe the people southeast of Yunnan Province.

It is likely that the Vietnamese, prior to Chinese domination, did not use last names, (or family names, which we should call them, given that in Vietnam and many other places, this name does not come last). This does not make them unusual at all. Prior to the 18th century, much of the world did not use family names. More common would be what’s called a “patronymic” name, meaning your full name would literally translate as something like “Steve son of Bob.” Patronymic names refer only to the generation immediately before and remain common in much of the world, especially in Scandinavia and the Middle East. (Keep an eye out for “surnames” ending in “-sson” or including “Ben” or “Ibn.” Those are patronymic names.)

The entire idea of a family name was unknown to most of the world unless you were conquered by a place that used them. Those conquerors included the Romans, the Normans, the Chinese, and later the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Germans, and the Americans. It was the Chinese who gave Vietnam family names.
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Much more complicated than that. Author seems not familiar with Vietnamese history, and his work has been based on common sense.

Most of early Vietnamese people seems to have the surname Li or Ly (李) (Ly Ong Trong, the Vietnamese hero who fought Xiongnu; Ly Cam, Ly Tien, who were servants or soldiers in the court of Han Lingdi Liu Hong, who asked the Emperor to treat people from Jiaozhi (North Vietnam and Southern China) as equal to Han Chinese (because of that, they then promoted to become governors in proper China). Several early dynasties of Vietnam came from Li family. The Later Li dynasty, founded by Ly Cong Uan (李公蘊) was one of the brightest dynasty in our history.

The surname Nguyen (阮) became prominent much later, highly likely because other families (Li, Mac, Tran, etc.) changed their name to Nguyen to avoid prosecution.

 

[Viet]

There must be a Han governor with a surname of Ruan in the Han dynasty who decided to just give any Vietnamese with no surname his surname.

Nonsense!
Vietnam was divided between the Nguyen ruler in the Southern and Trinh in the Northern in the 17 century.
The Nguyen won the war and united the country.
Traditionally the Viet people show their loyalty toward the ruler by taking the surname of the ruler.


Division map of Vietnam by Trịnh lords(Red) and Nguyễn lords(Blue)

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trịnh–Nguyễn_War

 

[AndrewJin]

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In the United States, the most popular last name is Smith. As per the 2010 census, about 0.8 percent of Americans have it. In Vietnam, the most popular last name is Nguyen. The estimate for how many people answer to it? Somewhere between 30 and 40 percent of the country’s population. The 14 most popular last names in Vietnam account for well over 90 percent of the population. The 14 most popular last names in the US? Fewer than 6 percent.

In the U.S., an immigrant country, last names are hugely important. They can indicate where you’re from, right down to the village; the profession of a relative deep in your past; how long it’s been since your ancestors emigrated; your religion; your social status.

Nguyen doesn’t indicate much more than that you are Vietnamese. Someone with the last name Nguyen is going to have basically no luck tracing their heritage back beyond a generation or two, will not be able to use search engines to find out much of anything about themselves.

This difference illustrates something very weird about last names: they’re a surprisingly recent creation in most of the world, and there remain many places where they just aren’t very important. Vietnam is one of those.

The existence of last names in Vietnam dates to 111 BC, the beginning of a lengthy thousand-year occupation of the country by the Han Dynasty in China. (There were a few short-lived attempts at independence before the Vietnamese kicked the Chinese out in 939 AD.) Before this time, nobody really knows how the Vietnamese handled names, due to lack of written records. In fact even the name “Vietnam” comes from the Chinese; “viet” is the Vietnamese version of the word the Chinese used to describe the people southeast of Yunnan Province.

It is likely that the Vietnamese, prior to Chinese domination, did not use last names, (or family names, which we should call them, given that in Vietnam and many other places, this name does not come last). This does not make them unusual at all. Prior to the 18th century, much of the world did not use family names. More common would be what’s called a “patronymic” name, meaning your full name would literally translate as something like “Steve son of Bob.” Patronymic names refer only to the generation immediately before and remain common in much of the world, especially in Scandinavia and the Middle East. (Keep an eye out for “surnames” ending in “-sson” or including “Ben” or “Ibn.” Those are patronymic names.)

The entire idea of a family name was unknown to most of the world unless you were conquered by a place that used them. Those conquerors included the Romans, the Normans, the Chinese, and later the Spanish, the Portuguese, the Germans, and the Americans. It was the Chinese who gave Vietnam family names.
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Click on the link for the rest of the story.

Their entire premises of existence is.....China, China, China

 

[cochine]

Japanese use 汉字 han character. Chinese don't use Japanese. People like @cochine brain washed by their textbook, without knowing what's civilization at all. Pathetic.

So .... ? Mônglian, Manchủrian and Japanese could used 汉字 han character in the past, so they did easily controlled Chinese in China in the past ... in long time.

 

[vi-va]

So .... ? Mônglian, Manchủrian and Japanese could used 汉字 han character in the past, so they did easily controlled Chinese in China in the past ... in long time.

you were part of China for one thousand years. welcome back.

 

[cochine]

you were part of China for one thousand years. welcome back.

we had regained oủr indêpndence from China over thousand years ago ... pls don't dream any more