Germany wants Europe to form a 'counterweight' to US

[PeaceGen]

This article is absolutely garbage why would europe form any counter weight against the US for Iran nuclear deal or China? really? anyone with a half a brain knows they don't give a shit nor can they say anything against the US policies

correct. the US holds the military power of USA + Canada + Australia + EU. And most of us like it that way, too.

 

[bshifter]

Don't get me dragged into a fight match over who was worse to the people under their control.
I can *PROVE* that it was the Chinese governments, ever since the unification of large swaths of China.

You can prove? Then prove it, instead of just pointing your finger at China. People we have a Dutch educator here who knows a lot more about history then the rest of us.

 

[PeaceGen]

You can prove? Then prove it, instead of just pointing your finger at China. People we have a Dutch educator here who knows a lot more about history then the rest of us.

now you're gonna force me into googling in some kinda contest as to who was worse?
ALL WERE BAD IN SOME PARTS OF OUR HISTORIES. VARIES PER REGION.

but.. since we got a thread on the topic of China, just take a look at the founder of modern China :

Who Was the Biggest Mass Murderer in History?

At least 45 million were starved, shot, tortured, and worked to death. Wednesday, August 3, 2016 Ilya Somin Politics Communism China Genocide Venezuela Slavery Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler...

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Mao thought that he could catapult his country past its competitors by herding villagers across the country into giant people’s communes. In pursuit of a utopian paradise, everything was collectivised. People had their work, homes, land, belongings and livelihoods taken from them.
In collective canteens, food, distributed by the spoonful according to merit, became a weapon used to force people to follow the party’s every dictate. As incentives to work were removed, coercion and violence were used instead to compel famished farmers to perform labour on poorly planned irrigation projects while fields were neglected.
A catastrophe of gargantuan proportions ensued. Extrapolating from published population statistics, historians have speculated that tens of millions of people died of starvation. But the true dimensions of what happened are only now coming to light thanks to the meticulous reports the party itself compiled during the famine…
What comes out of this massive and detailed dossier is a tale of horror in which Mao emerges as one of the greatest mass murderers in history, responsible for the deaths of at least 45 million people between 1958 and 1962.
It is not merely the extent of the catastrophe that dwarfs earlier estimates, but also the manner in which many people died: between two and three million victims were tortured to death or summarily killed, often for the slightest infraction.
When a boy stole a handful of grain in a Hunan village, local boss Xiong Dechang forced his father to bury him alive. The father died of grief a few days later.
The case of Wang Ziyou was reported to the central leadership: one of his ears was chopped off, his legs were tied with iron wire, a ten kilogram stone was dropped on his back and then he was branded with a sizzling tool – punishment for digging up a potato.

Who Was the Biggest Mass Murderer in History?

At least 45 million were starved, shot, tortured, and worked to death. Wednesday, August 3, 2016 Ilya Somin Politics Communism China Genocide Venezuela Slavery Who was the biggest mass murderer in the history of the world? Most people probably assume that the answer is Adolf Hitler...

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Bossman said:
Bullshit western centric list, what about the genocide of native Americans by the Spainish, Portuguese and English. What about genocide of Australian aborigines where they were literally hunted down as animals. Multiple genocides in Africa including those by King Leopold of Belgium, a country that now goes around pretending to be the flag carrier of liberal western values. What about Churchill, whose decision were directly responsible for millions of death due to famine in Bengal.

oh, but the failings of the western war machine are to be allowed to be advertised and used as counters on this forum for ever and ever?

*THAT'S* A HYPOCRITE'S THINKING!

Ghost Hobbit said:
correct. I also think west deliberately misrepresents mao. In fact why should only money be used to get work out of people. Work should be service of the country. So what was done in the camps was just fine.

so what's being done in the re-education camps for uyghurs these days is 'just fine'??

they too report in detail about tortures happening to them!

and meanwhile, to those who the Chinese shine their friendly face, it's all acceptable and/or lies.

WELL NOT ALL OF US ARE GOING TO BELIEVE THAT!
SOME OF US *DO* TAKE WITNESS ACCOUNTS SERIOUSLY!

after all, if the Chinese government hadn't totured or killed these people, they would have no reason to testify about it.
prove their motive for lying about the Chinese government to me, and we can discuss this again.

 

[vostok]

Overview

• The Vietnam War was a prolonged military conflict that started as an anticolonial war against the French and evolved into a Cold War confrontation between international communism and free-market democracy.

This sentence could be even better in this form: "...Cold War confrontation between socialist democracy and post-imperial capitalism..."

 

[Iñigo]

"Germany wants Europe ..."

I don't know, it could just be words, or maybe someone has started to show some freedom of thought

every Empire creates an ideology-religion-identity, and the West empire (1945-) heir to the british empire is similar to any other Empire in history

from his brilliant and luminous, lying and diabolical foundational act in Hiroshima and Nagasaki ... the AngloEmpire 2.0 ... has not stopped sending people to hell spreading chaos and terror across the face of the earth

and of course the minds that live trapped inside the western mental Bubble have the audacity to believe that they are the good guys in the movie

That is the function of a mental Bubble

---

Hello
my name is Iñigo ...

Haha

Trolls of the AngloEmpire 2.0 ...
my name is Iñigo ...

and I know you are very very angry because now (2020-) there is a new and old giant: China

 

[Han Patriot]

Vietnam War | Facts, Summary, Years, Timeline, Casualties, Combatants, & Facts | Britannica

The Vietnam War (1954–75) was a conflict that pitted the communist government of North Vietnam and its allies in South Vietnam, the Viet Cong, against South Vietnam and its principal ally, the United States. It was part of a larger regional conflict as well as a manifestation of the Cold War.

www.britannica.com

it's that same "domino theory" that has caused the suffering of the world ever since at least the end of WW2.
NOT one side or another. i can do lookups about both China *and* Russia causing mass suffering to either their own people or to people not yet under their control, all throughout history.
But that would just start a useless 'point the finger at the other guy' game here on this forum, and that's something i'd like to avoid.

i say the borders are defined quite enough, that the world has had it's time to build up alliances through the fostering of military power around the world (there's enough weapons to kill *everyone* 10 times or 100 times over)..



and that *now* is the time to start working on diplomacy and cooperation *between* the superpowers, to *not* see the endless competitions continue.

You can cut and paste as many websites to justify Vietnam War but invading another sovereign state for whatever reasons is just plain wrong after WW2. Are you equating US the holy with China and Russia now? Isn't US supposed to be the golden boy for freedom and 'democracy'? How can you stoop so low and justify US actions based on Russia or China? Are you admitting we are all the same afterall? Democracy and so called freedom is just plain bullshit.

 

[Cherub786]

If the world has learned anything from the past century it is that Germany can never be allowed to become any kind of military power on this planet ever again. Europe must perpetually be a client of America's security apparatus. Europe needs protection from Russia, and only America can effectively provide it, since Germany cannot be allowed to become powerful. This is the price Europe has to pay for its past sins. We cannot tolerate the rise of a new Roman empire

 

[vi-va]

2021 show will begin with Iran new deal. Looking forward to it.
EU has emerged as a counter weight to balance US now. They need an Iran deal in EU own interest.

While the US want to blackmail EU on Iran deal.

 

[Cherub786]

2021 show will begin with Iran new deal. Looking forward to it.
EU has emerged as a counter weight to balance US now. They need an Iran deal in EU own interest.

While the US want to blackmail EU on Iran deal.

I very much doubt there will be another deal with Iran. Things have changed too much. The sanctions are actually working. Iran is suffocating under the pressure and internal revolution against the regime is coming to the boiling point soon. Internal discontent with that turbaned chimpanzee Khamanei is at an all time high.

Now if there is going to be talk of another deal Iran will be asked to make considerably greater concessions than before. Iran's pride won't allow them to agree, so status quo remains.

I say no deal with Iran unless they end ballistic missile program and agree to put an end to all their proxy financing and regional adventurism

 

[vi-va]

I very much doubt there will be another deal with Iran. Things have changed too much. The sanctions are actually working. Iran is suffocating under the pressure and internal revolution against the regime is coming to the boiling point soon. Internal discontent with that turbaned chimpanzee Khamanei is at an all time high.

Now if there is going to be talk of another deal Iran will be asked to make considerably greater concessions than before. Iran's pride won't allow them to agree, so status quo remains.

I say no deal with Iran unless they end ballistic missile program and agree to put an end to all their proxy financing and regional adventurism

No deal means Nuclear Armed Iran.
Not acceptable for EU and US. There will be a deal.

 

[Cherub786]

No deal means Nuclear Armed Iran.
Not acceptable for EU and US. There will be a deal.

Don't be naive. Iran will be bombed by Israel and America if it gets too close to going nuclear. Mark my words, it will happen.

 

[vi-va]

Don't be naive. Iran will be bombed by Israel and America if it gets too close to going nuclear. Mark my words, it will happen.

Could be. I can't exclude the option entirely.
But it will be very costly for Israel and America to do that.
I bet Sleepy Joe dare not to do it.

Also even if you want to do it, you won't get UN endorsement. So it's illegal. EU will not agree as well, not in their interest.

If that happens, US will lose Iran war, just like how US lost Vietnam War. Don't be silly.

 

[Cherub786]

Could be. I can't exclude the option entirely.
But it will be very costly for Israel and America to do that.
I bet Sleepy Joe dare not to do it.

Also even if you want to do it, you won't get UN endorsement. So it's illegal. EU will not agree as well, not in their interest.

If that happens, US will lose Iran war, just like how US lost Vietnam War. Don't be silly.

What you think America and Israel will just sit back and allow Iran to become a nuclear armed state? Not going to happen my friend. They will both say to hell with the UN and the EU.

And no, they won't lose. It will be an all out assault on Iran that will devastate Iran big time. The point is Iran itself knows this.

 

[vi-va]

What you think America and Israel will just sit back and allow Iran to become a nuclear armed state? Not going to happen my friend. They will both say to hell with the UN and the EU.

And no, they won't lose. It will be an all out assault on Iran that will devastate Iran big time. The point is Iran itself knows this.

I heard those kind of stories for past 40 years. Not happen yet.

 

[Globenim]

This article is absolutely garbage why would europe form any counter weight against the US for Iran nuclear deal or China? really? anyone with a half a brain knows they don't give a shit nor can they say anything against the US policies

Yeah why counter an openly hostile hegemonial regime that puts unjustified sanctions on your economy, actively tries to destroy and subvert your foreign relations, spies on your government officials, blackmails your companies and officials, steals your businesses intellectual property, manipulates markets to harm and loot your economy and cheat you out for profits, lies to you about intelligence to trick you into their wars, interferes and manipulates domestic policies and your precious elections and constantly threatens you if you dont bow down to their national agenda. Makes no sense.

Why do they say something against the US regime? Dont they know nobody can say anything against the US regime?