Germany debates 'mosque tax' to replace foreign funding

[Kailash Kumar]

Germany debates 'mosque tax' to replace foreign funding

12/05/2019

Support is growing in Germany for a possible 'mosque tax' to finance Islamic institutions

Berlin (AFP)

Support is growing in Germany for a "mosque tax" to make Islamic institutions less dependent on potentially anti-democratic or "radical" foreign funding sources, a media report said Sunday.

The federal government sees it as "a possible path", according to an answer to a parliamentary query, the Welt am Sonntag newspaper reported.

Several of Germany's 16 states had also signalled support in principle for the idea which would mirror Germany's voluntary Christian "church tax", the rnewspaper said.

Concern has grown in Germany about the influence of foreign funding sources on mosques for the country's estimated five million Muslims, who hail mostly from Turkey and Arab countries.

Some 900 mosques in Germany are run by the Turkish-Islamic Union of the Institute for Religion (Ditib), under the authority of President Recep Tayyip Erdogan's government.

Its imams are paid by the Turkish state, and the group has come under scrutiny with some of its members suspected of spying on Turkish dissidents living in Germany.

At the height of a bitter row between Germany and Turkey in mid-2017, two German ministers warned in a Spiegel Online commentary that Erdogan's "dangerous ideologies must not be imported to Germany via certain mosques."

In other cases, some mosques have come under police scrutiny or been closed for preaching radical and militant Islamist ideas.

Welt am Sonntag said that, in the newspaper's own survey, several states had affirmed that mosque communities in Germany should be able to finance themselves.

The interior ministry of the regional state of Mecklenburg-Western Pomerania had said it was open to "mosque financing based on the church model" to reduce foreign influence, including "the danger of possible radicalisation".

A spokesman for the interior ministry of Baden-Wuerttemberg state had also pointed to the threat of outside influence "on theological content and political opinion".

"In the worst case", the spokesman had told the newspaper, this included "radical Islamist or anti-democratic content or aspirations".

https://www.france24.com/en/20190512-germany-debates-mosque-tax-replace-foreign-funding

 

[El Sidd]

Let Pakistan do it lol

 

[Kailash Kumar]

I voted 'No'.

Not because I want foreign funding in mosques in Europe (I want foreign funding to be banned).

But because I want the mosques to raise funding through their own fundraising programmes.

I do not want the German government to interfere with this.

This is because I believe in secular principles.

Religion and state must be separated.

The state must not levy any type of 'religious' taxes.

Therefore I also want the so called 'church tax' abolished.

Like I said, I think it would be best if the mosques would come up with their own type of fundraising programme in line with Islam which they would, for example, name 'Mosque Zakat'.

Another reason for this, next to the secular argument, are the extremists who are already under the influence of ideologies which are foreign funded.

In order to convince them, it is necessary to come up with a fundraising programme which is in line with Islam.

 

[El Sidd]

I voted 'No'.

Not because I want foreign funding in mosques in Europe (I want foreign funding to be banned).

But because I want the mosques to raise funding through their own fundraising programmes.

I do not want the German government to interfere with this.

This is because I believe in secular principles.

Religion and state must be separated.

The state must not levy any type of 'religious' taxes.

Therefore I also want the so called 'church tax' abolished.

Like I said, I think it would be best if the mosques would come up with their own type of fundraising programme in line with Islam which they would, for example, name 'Mosque Zakat'.

Another reason, next to the secular argument, for this are the extremists who are already under the influence of ideologies which are foreign funded.

In order to convince them, it is necessary to come up with a fundraising programme which is in line with Islam.

next up hindu temples

 

[Wow]

Tax all religious monuments everywhere

 

[Kailash Kumar]

next up hindu temples

I do want the Hindu temples to come up with their own funds and fundraising, just like I proposed the 'Mosque Zakat'.

I do not however know how they should call these types of funds and fundraising.

Let me think...

What about...

Pooja paisa?

Modi money?

Fauji finanzierung?

And as a option, for those Hindus who use it... ABC: Akhand Bharat Cryptocurrency.

Well, this is all I got.

Do you have any ideas?

 

[Clutch]

I do want the Hindu temples to come up with their own funds and fundraising, just like I proposed the 'Mosque Zakat'.

I do not however know how they should call these types of funds and fundraising.

Let me think...

What about...

Pooja paisa?

Modi money?

Fauji finanzierung?

And as a option, for those Hindus who use it... ABC: Akhand Bharat Cryptocurrency.

Well, this is all I got.

Do you have any ideas?

India has become a Hindutva extremist nation though... So your dream of suckularism are illusions.

 

[313ghazi]

How would it work? What is this voluntary church tax? @Bismarck

 

[El Sidd]

I do want the Hindu temples to come up with their own funds and fundraising, just like I proposed the 'Mosque Zakat'.

I do not however know how they should call these types of funds and fundraising.

Let me think...

What about...

Pooja paisa?

Modi money?

Fauji finanzierung?

And as a option, for those Hindus who use it... ABC: Akhand Bharat Cryptocurrency.

Well, this is all I got.

Do you have any ideas?

hahahaha triggered much

 

[Kailash Kumar]

hahahaha triggered much

@Retired Troll

I am not religious.

So I was not triggered.

I was making jokes.

I actually asked you to also make jokes, since you like to make jokes on this forum.

P.S.

I have noticed that although you like to troll and make jokes, this is not your true nature.

You remind me of Gülenists.

The Gülenists are acting like modern Muslims, while they are actually very conservative.

In the same way you act funny in a lot of posts, but from other posts I can see that you are actually angry and show signs of extremism.

You should change your name into 'Taqiyya Troll'.

India has become a Hindutva extremist nation though... So your dream of suckularism are illusions.

@Clutch

Well, I am not Indian, nor am I religious.

I do want secularism, not just for India, but for the whole world.

I do however not think that India is 100 % secular, but also not 100 % Hindutva.

There are extreme Hindu organisations and people who, for example, might attack and kill people who practice cow slaughter.

I personally do not believe that a cow is or represents God.

I actually do not believe in God.

So, I do think that Hindus should leave others alone who practice cow slaughter.

The government should also not ban cow slaughter merely for religious reasons.

That is not a separation of religion and state.

That is not secular.

On the other hand, in India there is also discrimination against Hindus, especially when it comes to Hindu temples.

See the table below.

The thread which I posted talks about 'mosque tax'.

As you can see from the table above, in India Hindu temples already need to pay (income) tax, while other religious instutions do not need to.

The Indian government can also interfere in the management of Hindu temples, while they do not interfere in the places of worship of other religions.

Is that fair?

I would think not.

It is not a separation of religion and state.

It is not secular.

So, India is a mixed bag of pro- and anti-Hindu government policies.

I think many of these policies were enacted by governments in India because the political parties who were in charge needed to win (or buy) votes for the next election.

And that is also part of the problem.

 

[El Sidd]

@Retired Troll

I am not religious.

So I was not triggered.

I was making jokes.

I actually asked you to also make jokes, since you like to make jokes on this forum.

P.S.

I have noticed that although you like to troll and make jokes, this is not your true nature.

You remind me of Gülenists.

The Gülenists are acting like modern Muslims, while they are actually very conservative.

In the same way you act funny in a lot of posts, but from other posts I can see that you are actually angry and show signs of extremism.

You should change your name into 'Taqiyya Troll'.

omg swamy 007 has cracked my code

 

[Clutch]

Well, I am not Indian, nor am I religious.

I do want secularism, not just for India, but for the whole world.

My posts aren't about you... You could be a cat with a keyboard talent for all i know...
My post is about India.

 

[Kailash Kumar]

omg swamy 007 has cracked my code

That is better.

This is what I expect from you.

By the way, Swamy 007 always cracks codes.

And your code was very easy to crack.

I would of course not expect more from you.

But I am happy.

Mission accomplished.

It was easy to do so.

Although this mission was not as easy as letting a brigadier sell me Osama bin Laden's location in Pakistan.

That was very easy.

My posts aren't about you... You could be a cat with a keyboard talent for all i know...
My post is about India.

You said to me in post #7 : 'India has become a Hindutva extremist nation though... So your dream of suckularism are illusions.'.

So, you are the one who directed your response to me with: 'your dream of suckularism'.

Next time, if you do not want me to reply, do not direct your response to me.

 

[El Sidd]

That is better.

This what I expect from you.

By the way, Swamy 007 always cracks codes.

Your code was very easy to crack.

I would of course not expect more from you.

But I am happy.

Mission accomplished.

It was easy to do so.

Although this mission was not as easy as letting a brigadier sell me Osama bin Laden's location in Pakistan.

That was very easy.

hahahaha frustrated much

 

[Kailash Kumar]

hahahaha frustrated much

I am actually disappointed in you now.

I am joking and I expect you to reply with a joke.

That's fun.

You are allowed to have fun, right?

Mullahs are not giving you any problems if you do, right?

I hope not.

By the way, you do not need to reply in a second.

You could also reply in a couple of hours or even tomorrow.

As long as it is funny.