German footwear brand Von Wellx shifts production from China to India

[rishav]

And not like this is high-end manufacturing that need to meet huge quota of production and Indian market is bigger than Vietnam's atleast ,so that may help in import tax relief.

India is the fourth largest producer of automobiles in the world . Is automobile manufacturing considered high-end ?

 

[manga]

After I enlightened you, why any firm would come to iNDIA from china ,you jumped boat to another point.

So after giving lecture of wisdom you could not answer if manufacturing Mercedes Benz is low end or high end job then why did you even get started. Or may be you are pretending dumb to not know the answer. I guess it's latter, lolz.

 

[Leishangthem]

India is the fourth largest producer of automobiles in the world . Is automobile manufacturing considered high-end ?

First ,I was talking about a specific brand.
Secondly,India was 5th largest manufacturer (2019),and that much is expected for Indian population. Cars are manufactured all across the world ,the point you're trying to make holds no ground.

So after giving lecture of wisdom you could not answer if manufacturing Mercedes Benz is low end or high end job then why did you even get started. Or may be you are pretending dumb to not know the answer. I guess it's latter, lolz.

Mercedes Benz has numerous plants in approximately 22 countries, so what's so special?
Btw, these brands ship in completely knocked down (CKD) kits to India and assemble those in local facilities to avoid high import tax on fully built vehicles.

 

[manga]

First ,I was talking about a specific brand.
Secondly,India was 5th largest manufacturer (2019),and that much is expected for Indian population. Cars are manufactured all across the world ,the point you're trying to make holds no ground.



Mercedes Benz has numerous plants in approximately 22 countries, so what's so special?
Btw, these brands ship in completely knocked down (CKD) kits to India and assemble those in local facilities to avoid high import tax on fully built vehicles.

So you are now telling me Mercedes Benz is not exporting it and just manufacturing here to save tax ?

 

[beijingwalker]

China still makes footwares and sweaters?

 

[Leishangthem]

So you are now telling me Mercedes Benz is not exporting it and just manufacturing here to save tax ?

Are you trying to tell me India is high end manufacturing power house? yeah.


Mercedes Benz production plants in India recorded 15,538 units production in the period January-Dec 2018 almost all of which are locally sold.

In terms of export of the highest dollar value worth of cars in 2019
1. Germany $142,271,010,000 -8.2%
2. Japan $98,043,242,000 -1.1%
3. United States $56,163,761,000 +9.2%
4. Mexico $49,689,318,000 +0.6%
5. Canada $40,713,873,000 -0.7%
6. South Korea $40,458,289,000 +5.8%
7. Belgium $38,648,258,000 +13.3%
8. United Kingdom $38,556,397,000 -8.3%
9. Spain $34,982,721,000 -2.1%
10. Slovakia $23,890,611,000 +9.2%
11. France $23,598,397,000 -6.4%
12. Czech Republic $22,590,887,000 -0.8%
13. Italy $15,032,882,000 -11.7%
14. Turkey $11,898,186,000 -4.4%
15. Sweden $11,862,206,000 +1.7%
16. Hungary $11,460,419,000 +23.8%
17. Thailand $10,261,546,000 -7.5%
18. Netherlands $9,623,250,000 -1.8%
19. China $8,637,814,000 +0.1%
20. Austria $8,234,787,000

 

[manga]

Are you trying to tell me India is high end manufacturing power house? yeah.

Nopes I am asking you India is undisciplined and woeful country then why manufacture in India at all. Or may be manufacturing Mercedes, Ford, BMW, Hyundai Suzuki,etc must be a low end job hence it's given to a woeful and poor country like India.

 

[rishav]

First ,I was talking about a specific brand.
Secondly,India was 5th largest manufacturer (2019),and that much is expected for Indian population. Cars are manufactured all across the world ,the point you're trying to make holds no ground.

It absolutely is a valid argument . You were insinuating that India can't do high end mass manufacturing . Which is simply not true .

Mercedes Benz production plants in India recorded 15,538 units production in the period January-Dec 2018 almost all of which are locally sold.

In terms of export of the highest dollar value worth of cars in 2019
1. Germany $142,271,010,000 -8.2%
2. Japan $98,043,242,000 -1.1%
3. United States $56,163,761,000 +9.2%
4. Mexico $49,689,318,000 +0.6%
5. Canada $40,713,873,000 -0.7%
6. South Korea $40,458,289,000 +5.8%
7. Belgium $38,648,258,000 +13.3%
8. United Kingdom $38,556,397,000 -8.3%
9. Spain $34,982,721,000 -2.1%
10. Slovakia $23,890,611,000 +9.2%
11. France $23,598,397,000 -6.4%
12. Czech Republic $22,590,887,000 -0.8%
13. Italy $15,032,882,000 -11.7%
14. Turkey $11,898,186,000 -4.4%
15. Sweden $11,862,206,000 +1.7%
16. Hungary $11,460,419,000 +23.8%
17. Thailand $10,261,546,000 -7.5%
18. Netherlands $9,623,250,000 -1.8%
19. China $8,637,814,000 +0.1%
20. Austria $8,234,787,000

What does this prove ? So you are telling Diamler sells inferior products locally ? And will compromise on their reputation ?
Going by your chart even china accounts for nothing as far as exports go . Whatever happened to the "alpha" race bullcrap . You mean the mighty chinese cannot produce good enough cars to be export worthy ?

Are you trying to tell me India is high end manufacturing power house? yeah

No , you were the one trying to tell us that we can't handle mass high end manufacturing

Btw, these brands ship in completely knocked down (CKD) kits to India and assemble those in local facilities to avoid high import tax on fully built vehicles.

So ? Even the mighty China only assembles most of the apple products .

 

[Arulmozhi Varman]

I am surprised. I honestly thought almost all producing would shift to Vietnam. But this is just scaling up. They are not moving production lines - just outsourcing manufacturing to an Indian producer.

Vietnam has a limit. Its size and population and it cannot absorb all the way even if 10% of companies relocate from China. Moreover other than cities it's infra is pretty bad till 4-5 months back when my colleague had to go to Vietnam to train people when a factory moved from China to Vietnam due to trade war.
But with Virus situation it's no longer bout the trade war but the creation of long term alternate supply chain network. China won't lose her factories much. But production will be less than what it is now. And people are now looking at India which has the capability to create alternative supply chain and maintain it as well.
We need to develop our logistical infrastructure now. Faster customs and processing. Port shipping etc to tip the scales.

 

[MayaBazar]

The biggest problem for India is logistics.

It has to pass through the Strait of Malacca to reach US and Suez canal to reach Europe.

 

[fallstuff]

I wonder how many goodies were offered to this German brand to switch.

 

[Leishangthem]

Nopes I am asking you India is undisciplined and woeful country then why manufacture in India at all. Or may be manufacturing Mercedes, Ford, BMW, Hyundai Suzuki,etc must be a low end job hence it's given to a woeful and poor country like India.

I said india's "work culture" is woeful due to reasons like most indians work bare minimum and half-assedly without much dedication and sincerity;Workers are extremely demanding and sensitive while without being really productive themselves;Unlike in movies,people are often inherently rude, belligerent toward one another ,this aspect greatly effects teamwork.Workplace dissonance is very common in India.India isn't a very stable and safe country either. There is just too many problems to go on and on about.

It absolutely is a valid argument . You were insinuating that India can't do high end mass manufacturing . Which is simply not true .


What does this prove ? So you are telling Diamler sells inferior products locally ? And will compromise on their reputation ?
Going by your chart even china accounts for nothing as far as exports go . Whatever happened to the "alpha" race bullcrap . You mean the mighty chinese cannot produce good enough cars to be export worthy ?


No , you were the one trying to tell us that we can't handle mass high-end manufacturing


So ? Even the mighty China only assembles most of the apple products .

No need to get so sensitive,I meant what is happening in general.

Though, if I spoke the truth y'all will get sensitive yet again.
Well,for the sake of pragmatism, why do you think there will be high end manufacturing in India to begin with? India don't have anything in technology or infrastructure to offer.Indian skilled worker are so less and inferior in quality to most developed nation's own homegrown talents.Countries prefer to do high-end manufacturing locally and usually done in developed nations.

The actual high-end sophisticated parts of the Mercedes and all exported from Germany etc,and only assembled in India,you can't call the Mercedes assembly as high-end manufacturing with all honesty.
Mexico,is no.4 in car export but they are not a skilled worker powerhouse.
Few workers are needed in car production plants as most work is now automated where many of the engineers are basically hired ex-pats ,look up the Hyundai,Nissan etc plants in India and the number of foreign experts they use.

So, Car manufacturing is a different ball game altogether and since heavy taxes are levied upon imported cars,car manufacturers open assembly plants all across the world and then sometimes ships cars from its plants to the nearest nation with which it has reasonable tax relaxation through some trade policy.

So ? Even the mighty China only assembles most of the apple products

.
Wrong ,China actually produce a bulk of iPhone parts and almost entire ecosystem is easily accessible from shenzhen.
Rather than me repeating same stuff ,here's quote from Tim cook telling why apple produces iPhone in China not in US not anywhere else.
"There's a confusion about China. The popular conception is that companies come to China because of low labor cost. I'm not sure what part of China they go to but the truth is China stopped being the low labor cost country many years ago. And that is not the reason to come to China from a supply point of view. The reason is because of the skill, and the quantity of skill in one location and the type of skill it is."
"The number one reason why we like to be in China is the people. China has extraordinary skills. And the part that's the most unknown is there's almost 2 million application developers in China that write apps for the iOS App Store. These are some of the most innovative mobile apps in the world, and the entrepreneurs that run them are some of the most inspiring and entrepreneurial in the world. Those are sold not only here but exported around the world."

"China has moved into very advanced manufacturing, so you find in China the intersection of craftsman kind of skill, and sophisticated robotics and the computer science world. That intersection, which is very rare to find anywhere, that kind of skill, is very important to our business because of the precision and quality level that we like. The thing that most people focus on if they're a foreigner coming to China is the size of the market, and obviously it's the biggest market in the world in so many areas. But for us, the number one attraction is the quality of the people."

"The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the US you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China you could fill multiple football fields."

"I visited ICT--they manufacture, among other things, the AirPods for us. When you think about AirPods as a user, you might think it couldn't be that hard because it's really small. The AirPods have several hundred components in them, and the level of precision embedded into the audio quality--without getting into really nerdy engineering--it's really hard. And it requires a level of skill that's extremely high."

*the infra structure-ecosystem-and the Chinese skilled workforce".

 

[mmr]

China still makes footwares and sweaters?

There are some but mostly very high brand ones. For example if you go to louis vuitton store you can find made in China shoes. But those are very expensive.

china trying to get rid of low value manufacturing for a while. So no surprise here.

Most shoes i know all nike and Addidas are made in Vietnam. Found some made in india shoes too but those are mostly leather made. While most of the sporting ones non leather ones made in Vietnam.

 

[rishav]

Hope DFCs are operational by at least 2022
. That will connect UP to to western ports .
Plus delhi mumbai expresssay is also under construction.

No need to get so sensitive,I meant what is happening in general.

Though, if I spoke the truth y'all will get sensitive yet again.
Well,for the sake of pragmatism , why do you think there will be high end manufacturing in India to begin with? India don't have anything in technology or infrastructure to offer.Indian skilled worker are so less and inferior in quality to most developed nation's own homegrown talents.Countries prefer to do high-end manufacturing locally and usually done in developed nations.

Nobody is getting sensitive I just refuted your claim of Indians being somehow inferior to chinese . Because of "woefull" this or that . All of that is just your opinion . You are free to have them .

Tim cook telling why apple produces iPhone in China not in US not anywhere else.

Again what do you expect ? Tim to criticise chinese people ? While he exports iphones worth 185 billion dollars out of that country . I can give you similar clips of eminent people praising Indians .
And did he really cite apple app development as sign on high skill ?

You just have a very biased opinion of India . And that is fine .

 

[fallstuff]

I said india's "work culture" is woeful due to reasons like most indians work bare minimum and half-assedly without much dedication and sincerity;Workers are extremely demanding and sensitive while without being really productive themselves;Unlike in movies,people are often inherently rude, belligerent toward one another ,this aspect greatly effects teamwork.Workplace dissonance is very common in India.India isn't a very stable and safe country either. There is just too many problems to go on and on about.


No need to get so sensitive,I meant what is happening in general.

Though, if I spoke the truth y'all will get sensitive yet again.
Well,for the sake of pragmatism, why do you think there will be high end manufacturing in India to begin with? India don't have anything in technology or infrastructure to offer.Indian skilled worker are so less and inferior in quality to most developed nation's own homegrown talents.Countries prefer to do high-end manufacturing locally and usually done in developed nations.

The actual high-end sophisticated parts of the Mercedes and all exported from Germany etc,and only assembled in India,you can't call the Mercedes assembly as high-end manufacturing with all honesty.
Mexico,is no.4 in car export but they are not a skilled worker powerhouse.
Few workers are needed in car production plants as most work is now automated where many of the engineers are basically hired ex-pats ,look up the Hyundai,Nissan etc plants in India and the number of foreign experts they use.

So, Car manufacturing is a different ball game altogether and since heavy taxes are levied upon imported cars,car manufacturers open assembly plants all across the world and then sometimes ships cars from its plants to the nearest nation with which it has reasonable tax relaxation through some trade policy.


.
Wrong ,China actually produce a bulk of iPhone parts and almost entire ecosystem is easily accessible from shenzhen.
Rather than me repeating same stuff ,here's quote from Tim cook telling why apple produces iPhone in China not in US not anywhere else.
"There's a confusion about China. The popular conception is that companies come to China because of low labor cost. I'm not sure what part of China they go to but the truth is China stopped being the low labor cost country many years ago. And that is not the reason to come to China from a supply point of view. The reason is because of the skill, and the quantity of skill in one location and the type of skill it is."
"The number one reason why we like to be in China is the people. China has extraordinary skills. And the part that's the most unknown is there's almost 2 million application developers in China that write apps for the iOS App Store. These are some of the most innovative mobile apps in the world, and the entrepreneurs that run them are some of the most inspiring and entrepreneurial in the world. Those are sold not only here but exported around the world."

"China has moved into very advanced manufacturing, so you find in China the intersection of craftsman kind of skill, and sophisticated robotics and the computer science world. That intersection, which is very rare to find anywhere, that kind of skill, is very important to our business because of the precision and quality level that we like. The thing that most people focus on if they're a foreigner coming to China is the size of the market, and obviously it's the biggest market in the world in so many areas. But for us, the number one attraction is the quality of the people."

"The products we do require really advanced tooling, and the precision that you have to have, the tooling and working with the materials that we do are state of the art. And the tooling skill is very deep here. In the US you could have a meeting of tooling engineers and I'm not sure we could fill the room. In China you could fill multiple football fields."

"I visited ICT--they manufacture, among other things, the AirPods for us. When you think about AirPods as a user, you might think it couldn't be that hard because it's really small. The AirPods have several hundred components in them, and the level of precision embedded into the audio quality--without getting into really nerdy engineering--it's really hard. And it requires a level of skill that's extremely high."

*the infra structure-ecosystem-and the Chinese skilled workforce".

The key is always people !