Gen (R) Hamid Gul Blasts Geo & Geo’s Love Affair with India While Sitting on Geo

[Sugarcane]

I've never understood why some people have a problem with orgies and daroo. Why are orgies scandalous in the first place? Live and let live.

Perhaps all the "Jawans" are not comfortable with getting thrashed for not serving drinks, or all the wives don't like the parties. That's why they go to police and make it scandalous.

 

[Bombaywalla]

Most Pakistanis consider women their properties, they can 'allow' or 'forbid' them from doing something.

They don't quite get the concept of adults being responsible for their own actions. And since for practical purposes there is no legal system in Pakistan, its an old style 'honour' based society where bullets are used for settling issues - therefore might is right in Pakistan and you will hear Pakistanis talk about 'allowing' women to do something.

Had they decided to have a proper police system and courts and all round less violence, today they might not be talking in these terms.

True! It's a sad state of affairs to the west, and as it turns out, in the projects as well. I'd rather not engage with poorly educated, project-dwelling individuals who bring family into an argument only because their poor upbringing coupled with loosely, and selectively implemented forum rules, allows them to do so with absolute impunity. I'm happy that these religious retards derive solace from talking about other people's families in the way they were taught at their local madrassah

 

[Proudpakistaniguy]

True! It's a sad state of affairs to the west, and as it turns out, in the projects as well. I'd rather not engage with poorly educated, project-dwelling individuals who bring family into an argument only because their poor upbringing coupled with loosely, and selectively implemented forum rules, allows them to do so with absolute impunity. I'm happy that these religious retards derive solace from talking about other people's families in the way they were taught to at their local madrassah

Its natural for people to bring your sister or mother in discussion when you approve something like orgy for others which they consider immoral. They bring your sister in discusssion to find out whether you keep same standard for yourself and others or have double standrads

 

[Bombaywalla]

Its natural for people to bring your sister or mother in discussion when you approve something like orgy for others which they consider immoral.

ha ha ha Okay then! It looks like this is it!

The reasoning some people bring to the table is legendary (for all the wrong reasons that is)


morons

 

[Sheikh Rauf]

Most Pakistanis consider women their properties, they can 'allow' or 'forbid' them from doing something.

They don't quite get the concept of adults being responsible for their own actions. And since for practical purposes there is no legal system in Pakistan, its an old style 'honour' based society where bullets are used for settling issues - therefore might is right in Pakistan and you will hear Pakistanis talk about 'allowing' women to do something.

Had they decided to have a proper police system and courts and all round less violence, today they might not be talking in these terms.

two nation theory were absoulitly right..
have you ever witness rural areas of india they have wrost condition.. its easy to highlight Pakistan when its already in spotlight.
you can run but cant hide it for long 600 million poor people is not a small population
care about yourself Pakistan phobia is making you people haters.
sooner or later someone will realize..
hope it wont be too late.

 

[JanjaWeed]

He was an exception, since country being run by a military dictator at that time, can you quote me another example where such thing has happened ?

Exception... precisely. It can only happen in the case of an army man! btw.. Pakistan was under military dictatorship for more than half of it's tenure. So these exceptions are rather common than 'exception' in real terms

Well have you read your own link ?

The army says it needs these businesses to generate pension funds and to start welfare schemes for hundreds of thousands of retired soldiers and officers.

It's from the link, so what's wrong in it ? for the army whose budget is limited, meager and has to fund hundreds of thousands of retired soldiers and officers. We are not a rich country like india or america are we ?

So does the army says.. did you expect them to say anything different? btw.. is it not the state's responsibility to look after it's army? Atleast that's how it works in countries who follow democratic norms & rules. That's why you have something called budget allocation to defence forces!

 

[Saifkhan12]

lol, it seems the word "orgy" is very familiar with all the GEO fans.


Going back to the topic in discussion, well said, Gen (R) Hamid.

 

[qamar1990]

I hate Nawaz Sharif, however, Gen. Gul maybe the biggest problem in the history of Pakistan, right after Gen. Zia. He is NOTHING but a pet of Saudi's and working solely for 'Greater Arab Agenda'. He my friend is the only fifth column that we actually know of. If we are ever to rid our country from the menace of terrorism, we need to only investigate and eliminate people who are/have been linked to him (present and historically) /and or/ on his direct or indirect payroll. That alone may take care of 90% of our problems.

you couldn't be more wrong…
are you accusing a retired army chief of being a supporter of terrorism??

 

[JanjaWeed]

And what do you think about this joker

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What about him? He had the audacity to contest in the general election... & won people's mandate. Hence he is in politics. He wasn't para-dropped into the parliament or forced his way at the gunpoint! See the difference?

 

[qamar1990]

Most Pakistanis consider women their properties, they can 'allow' or 'forbid' them from doing something.

They don't quite get the concept of adults being responsible for their own actions. And since for practical purposes there is no legal system in Pakistan, its an old style 'honour' based society where bullets are used for settling issues - therefore might is right in Pakistan and you will hear Pakistanis talk about 'allowing' women to do something.

Had they decided to have a proper police system and courts and all round less violence, today they might not be talking in these terms.

yeah well I'm all for freedom but i don't we pakistanis are at level that we would allow our sisters to have orgies… i think we will take a pass on this.

 

[Contrarian]

you couldn't be more wrong…
are you accusing a retired army chief of being a supporter of terrorism??

There are hundreds of serving and retired Pakistani military men who are supporters of what you call 'terrorism'. I hope you are aware that many have been taken in and dismissed by Pakistan military services.

In their eyes its not terrorism its jihad.

Same way we think what Pakistan sponsors in India is terrorism, but Pakistanis think its justified as jihad.

yeah well I'm all for freedom but i don't we pakistanis are at level that we would allow our sisters to have orgies… i think we will take a pass on this.

You can talk to them, make them understand what they are doing may be wrong, but the current status in Pakistan of men being able to control the women in their family will stop.

The point is that you will not be able to stop your sister or mother or xyz from doing anything they want if they are financially independent and there is a functioning legal system and police system - which stops the might is right situation in Pakistan right now.

At best then you will realize that you can not 'allow' or 'forbid' anything to anyone unless they are breaking the laws of the country.


Since Pakistan has very low female literacy and female workforce participation, this can not happen now in Pakistan and men will continue to treat women as 'theirs'.

 

[qamar1990]

There are hundreds of serving and retired Pakistani military men who are supporters of what you call 'terrorism'. I hope you are aware that many have been taken in and dismissed by Pakistan military services.

In their eyes its not terrorism its jihad.

Same way we think what Pakistan sponsors in India is terrorism, but Pakistanis think its justified as jihad.

"military men" could have been supporters of terrorism just like there is probably thousands of rss hindu extremists in the indian army as well, or white christian neo nazi fundamentalists in the american army… the army doesn't have the technology to read peoples minds or predict their actions..
but that set aside..
acussing a retired army chief of supporting terrorism is non-sense…
we pakistanis don't consider kashmirs fight against the indian army as terrorism… key word "indian army"..
anybody killing innocent civilians can be classified as a terrorists.

indian supports terrorism in pakistan, something which is not a secret.. your terrorists mainly target civilians while the people pakistani army supports are fighting for self determination in their own land under indian occupation.

 

[danger007]

but the Geo broadcasting it's love towards India in pak soil...

 

[qamar1990]

You can talk to them, make them understand what they are doing may be wrong, but the current status in Pakistan of men being able to control the women in their family will stop.

The point is that you will not be able to stop your sister or mother or xyz from doing anything they want if they are financially independent and there is a functioning legal system and police system - which stops the might is right situation in Pakistan right now.

At best then you will realize that you can not 'allow' or 'forbid' anything to anyone unless they are breaking the laws of the country.


Since Pakistan has very low female literacy and female workforce participation, this can not happen now in Pakistan and men will continue to treat women as 'theirs'.

so answer this question… what is the status of women in india?? how are they treated??
without bringing pakistan into it simply answer those 2 questions and after that we can discuss this.

 

[Contrarian]

so answer this question… what is the status of women in india?? how are they treated??
without bringing pakistan into it simply answer those 2 question and after that we can discuss this.

My post in this thread should clear your doubts.
Is literacy level a basic measure of morality, humanity, honesty & character of a nation?

As far as India's comparison to Pakistan in this matter. India is quite far ahead in rule of law in general, female literacy far higher, female participation in labour also far higher. Secondly, laws in India are tilted heavily in favour of women and against men - the opposite is in Pakistan.

All these factors are changing India. Rural India has all the problems that Pakistan has, but Urban India has reduced these to a large extent.