Gen Qamar advises officers to prepare for 'changing threat'

[VCheng]

When you say ‘it’ I dont think you mean people of Pakistan, as current events have clearly exposed that the reality is not different from past martial laws.

Now do you believe me when I continued to say openly that this claimed coming of the Messiah and New Madina was nothing more than a scheduled change of façade? The current setup will go the same way too.

Sir.
You have hit it on the head. The tendency to live beyond our means expanding our expenditures on borrowed money, unrealistic projections and most importantly lack of persistent focused attention to basic principles and hard work. We lack patience and expect things to improve overnight. When IK came he made the most stupidist of claim of sorting things out in 90 days. It was blatantly obvious we were not going anywhere for at least 3-5 years. As a nation we need to rely on consistency, hard work. Opportunities have come a begging but we have not learnt anything from them.
A blast from the past. In the 50s we had trade surplus and wanted to set up steel industry. The Germans advised us to put up 3-4 smaller units so employment and wealth generation is-uniformly distributed. We contemplated and then blew all the cash away on importing cars from the US. Tells us of our priorities.

I would merely observe that Pakistan has the system that it wants, and deserves. By intention.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Now do you believe me when I continued to say openly that this claimed coming of the Messiah and New Madina was nothing more than a scheduled change of façade? The current setup will go the same way too.

Regretfully a lot of your opinions have been vindicated. I always thought that Pakistan was slowly moving away from Military control to civilian authority with passage of time after Musharaf - where the Military genuinely seemed to realize that we can’t economically grow without civilians leading. But nope it looks like only preference changed from overt control to covert control. Both IK and current govts are clearly kept on a leash via coalition partners and through other measures (cases, bails etc).

 

[VCheng]

Regretfully a lot of your opinions have been vindicated. I always thought that Pakistan was slowly moving away from Military control to civilian authority with passage of time after Musharaf - where the Military genuinely seemed to realize that we can’t economically grow without civilians leading. But nope it looks like only preference changed from overt control to covert control. Both IK and current govts are clearly kept on a leash via coalition partners and through other measures (cases, bails etc).

Vindicated or not, I know what I have been saying all along has, and will be correct (but thank you for acknowledging it).

With that observation, all those in mourning at IK being shown the door who cannot imagine Pakistan going on will be disappointed. Pakistan will come out of these present times just fine, and carry on as before. No doubt about it at all.

 

[TheDarkKnight]

Vindicated or not, I know what I have been saying all along has, and will be correct (but thank you for acknowledging it).

With that observation, all those in mourning at IK being shown the door who cannot imagine Pakistan going on will be disappointed. Pakistan will come out of these present times just fine, and carry on as before. No doubt about it at all.

No issues in acknowledging. Pakistan like the rest of world will go on. We have seen bigger personalities leave this world and things have gone along still.

 

[xyxmt]

Do you think he was neutral or he actually abetted the whole operation?

Prison vans did not just show up by chance. Or the rumors of imminent sacking of COAS, DG ISI. Or how Bajwa's ego was hurt when Imran Khan did not readily approve his selected DG ISI. Or who was Donald Lu's letter actually directed to. Or the day after Donald Lu's letter, he came out with a statement condemning Russia's invasion. Or the DG ISPR's press conference that Stock Exchange is up and Rupees is stable. Or his meeting with retired army personnel talking about Imran Khan's bad attitude with his own party members. Or was Bajwa oblivious to the fact that US officials kept meeting PDM and bribed them.

my quoting the world neutrality meant what you said.

 

[VCheng]

No issues in acknowledging. Pakistan like the rest of world will go on. We have seen bigger personalities leave this world and things have gone along still.

Yes, Pakistan will indeed go on.

 

[AgNoStiC MuSliM]

No issues in acknowledging. Pakistan like the rest of world will go on. We have seen bigger personalities leave this world and things have gone along still.

Continuing to merely ‘exist’ is not the issue here.

Reaching its true potential and breaking out of the cyclical ruts of the past is what is needed.

After all, Afghanistan and Somalia ‘continue to exist’, raped and pillaged by foreigners and locals alike.

Pakistan will pay a steep price (in regressing on the path to achieving her true potential) because of what Bajwa has done.

 

[ARMalik]

Bajwa the most despicable man these days in Pakistan and probably the World.

 

[airmarshal]

The changing threat is distancing of armed forces from common Pakistanis.

We love our army but when nation gives so much sacrifices for its army and army has given so many martyrs, we expect our army of lions not to be led by cowards.

We are always on uncertain ground. We dont have industry, economy. Whereas Bangladesh, which was part of Pakistan once, is growing leaps and bounds in economy.

Our establishment has reduced Pakistan to security state. Their stranglehold is such that in order to keep their monopoly on power, they haven't hesitated to bring Pakistan close to default.

Imran Khan was doing what Pakistan needs. IT needs a strong economy, big export revenue and investment in its human capital. But the establishment did not like it. It is always looking to appease Americans.

General Bajwa must go. He is controversial now.

 

[VCheng]

The changing threat is distancing of armed forces from common Pakistanis.

I would suggest that if the Army were to depose the current government and declare martial law, the people would rejoice and welcome them with open arms, such is the popularity of the Army.

 

[MIRauf]

I would suggest that if the Army were to depose the current government and declare martial law, the people would rejoice and welcome them with open arms, such is the popularity of the Army.

I remember people crying for Army to come in and use 'dunda' where the sun doesn't shine, today that is only true in the minds of people that see any self benefits. From the looks of things, majority of people want Army back in barracks, defending the borders and reporting to Gov't ( elected, corrupt or not. ) Only way country like Pak will progress, yes the election loser will cry but the system needs to work so it could progress.

Sooner or later Civi blood will be spilled and it would be a sad thing to see, however it would be needed to make the much needed change for a country like Pak that is run by Quasi Martial Law by Top Brass. Unless off course Jr Officers take it up on themselves to make the change and hand the Gov't to the elected Civis, expect blood to spill.

PA Jr. Offciers : 'Operation Valkyrie' is needed, wake up and save the Country from the Tyrant who thinks that he knows better then combined 200+ Million Citizens, including Jr. Officers and rest of the Jawans that live and die for the country.

 

[araz]

Now do you believe me when I continued to say openly that this claimed coming of the Messiah and New Madina was nothing more than a scheduled change of façade? The current setup will go the same way too.



I would merely observe that Pakistan has the system that it wants, and deserves. By intention.

It may want the system but its awaam deserve better. Pakistan has been led khudday line because of the greed of its polity and army. The poor awaam are too down trodden to change things. However I think Pakistan faces the swim or sink moment in its history. We will live or decimate ourselves as a nation in the next 5-10 years.
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[VCheng]

It may want the system but its awaam deserve better. Pakistan has been led khudday line because of the greed oc its polity and army. The poor awaam are too down trodden to change things. However I think Pakistan faces the swim or sink moment in its history. We will live or decimate ourselves as a nation 8n the next 5-10 years.
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Fair enough. I have been here over ten years, what's another five? For now, the economic crisis probably takes precedence over any political system issues.

PA Jr. Offciers : 'Operation Valkyrie' is needed, wake up and save the Country from the Tyrant who thinks that he knows better then combined 200+ Million Citizens, including Jr. Officers and rest of the Jawans that live and die for the country.

Inciting mutiny in the Army is a crime.

 

[araz]

Fair enough. I have been here over ten years, what's another five? For now, the economic crisis probably takes precedence over any political system issues.



Inciting mutiny in the Army is a crime.

I will only respond to the part of the post related to your response to my post. Unfortunately the economic crisis is very much related to the political crisis. We have a iserious lack of confidence in addition to economic woes contributed by high fuel prices world wide. Once the political crisis resolves with a-setup, the stock exchange will perk up, and othet indicators might stabilize. As to wider economic woes, I am-afraid the outlook is bleek and I think we need a decade of fiscal restaint and tight reigns on spending while pushing exports vigorously before we can safely say we are out of danger. We need 10 years of stability for that which in Pakistani political parlance is a nonexistent entity. Whatever we do it will have to be an out of the box step to get us out of this-mess.
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[VCheng]

I will only respond to the part of the post related to your response to my post. Unfortunately the economic crisis is very much related to the political crisis. We have a feisis of confidence in addition to economic woes contributed by high fuel prices world wide. Once the political crisis resolves with a-setup, the stock exchanve will perk up, and othet indicators might stabilize. As to wider economic woes, I am-afraid the outlook is bleek and I think we need a decade of fiscal restaint and tight reigns on spending while pushing exports vigorously before we can safely say we are out of danger. We need 10 years of stability for that which in Pakistani political parlance is a nonexistent entity.
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Step 1 right now would be to get the IMF bailout going again, followed by the Step 2 of completing the program for the first time in Pakistan's history. The bleakness you refer to will come more from overpopulation rather than a complete lack of economic progress, but at least it will take a little bit longer.