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I heard that they have a large part of the economy. Is it true?
The military is self sufficient in terms of that they have their own farms, they have some factories that makes non-military stuff that generates them money. The military has its own resources, so it doesn't get affected by the economy, add to that the $1.3 billions that they get from the US every year. it's all speculations thu. Some say that they control 5 % of the Egyptian economy, some say its up to 40%, nobody really knows. The people in the army don't make that much money anyway, they make just a little bit more than what average Egyptians make. Also, the peopel in the army don't have any power like the police at Mubarak's time.
 
The only "principles" Iranians stand by are those that protect their interests. Those that help spread their ideology and extend influence in the region. They are essentially fighting for survival after all. If you think they're so religiously principled then my question to you is, what have they contributed to well being of the Ummah as a whole?

I never praised or decried Iran's religiosity. Iranians are not the ones spreading wahhabi extremism in Pakistan, Indonesia, Malaysia and elsewhere. The only people who accuse Iran of spreading extremism are the Arab dictators and their Israeli/US allies.

My respect for Iran and Turkey stems from their culture of self-sufficiency and self-development. Unlike the oil sheikdoms who couldn't even repair the elevator shaft in their mile-high buildings if all the foreigners left. This criticism is not limited to Arabs. I am equally critical of the Pakistani excuse that "we're too small to compete with India". Japan and Germany showed that size doesn't matter.

Bottom line, I respect countries that invest in self-development and self-reliance.

Can you name any projects or treaties they have signed up with muslim nations to the benefit of people?

The Iranians did the ONE thing that the Arabs still are not willing to do. Get their oil off the USD bandwagon. Of course, we all know the oil sheiks' bargain. They keep propping up the USD, and the US military makes sure they stay in power (hint: first Iraq war).

Iran has never been a serious threat to Israel, if they were, Israeli' jets would have bombed their nuke installments a long ago. If Israel could bomb Iraq's nuke program when Iraq was a formidable military force, what was stopping them from attacking n destablizing much weaker Iran?

No country is a serious threat to Israel as long as the American nuclear umbrella hovers over them. Israel attacked Iraq because they knew Saddam was an American poodle. They won't attack Iran because they know the Iranian threat towards the Straits of Hormuz is a credible threat.

My thesis is that the neo-cons an zionists deliberately allowed Iranian regime to establish influence in the region to the detriment of Arab Monarchies, for one it keeps a check on the Arab kingdoms, secondly growing Iranian military creates a threat for them allowing American military complex to sell expensive weapons to the kingdoms and give a reason to establish bases. Saudi arabia alone has become the second biggest purchaser of US weapons after Israel in the last two decades as Iranians have grown.

The West has imposed sanctions on Iran for decades and convinced Russia to scrap some military sales to Iran. Regardless of what the West does or doesn't do, at least the Iranians are developing their indigenous capabilities.

The whole world may develop nuclear capability; but not the Arabs. Even in response to the perceived Iranian threat, are they striving for indigenous capability? No, they run to their "friends", the Americans.

Last but not least, Israelis are not foolish to go to war with the Saudi's or any other GCC arabs, they have no direct threat from the GCC kingdoms. Because they know by going to war with any of the Arab countries would unite all Arabs or possibly muslims against them. Therefore it is more suitable for them to let Iran grow its muscles n let Muslims embroil in regional rivalry.

The Arabs will never unite. They corrupt sheiks of Kuwait and Bahrain don't even respect their own people; do you think they give a damn about the average Egyptian or Moroccan? If the oil sheikdoms cared so much for fellow Arabs, they could have given jobs to the millions of jobless Palestinians and Egyptians before hiring workers from elsewhere.

Not to take away credit from the Iranian Govn't, Ahmedinejad has played his cards right by pushing the influence of Shiite clergy back, and press for political reconciliation with the Saudi Govn't the past few years, which infuriated the neo-cons/zionists in the white house to such an extent that they had to orchestrate an assassination plot on Saudi foreigner minister and blame the Iranians for it to destablize relations.

Yes, the Zionists continue to feed the Arab-Iran conflict. We can only hope the Arabs and Iranians get a clue and realize who is the common enemy.
 
I have hard time understanding both dialect, its like an American listening to David Beckham speaking in English, nothing more, nothing less. I was talking about Egyptian Arabic specific, everybody from the Atlantic Ocean to the Gulf can understand Egyptian Arabic easily, hence all the movies and the songs.

Here is the thing. Not all Saudis have the same dialect. Western dialect is close to Egyptian with Turkish influence in it that's one and they are the most numerous Saudis. Central Saudi dialect is influenced from old Bedouin dialect. Southern Saudi dialect is special for instance they do not use "AL" they use "Um" for example they don't say Al=Jazeera they say Um-jazeera. Western Saudi like myself can easily understand Egyptian but have a hard time understand central and southern Saudi.
 
Here is the thing. Not all Saudis have the same dialect. Western dialect is close to Egyptian with Turkish influence in it that's one and they are the most numerous Saudis. Central Saudi dialect is influenced from old Bedouin dialect. Southern Saudi dialect is special for instance they do not use "AL" they use "Um" for example they don't say Al=Jazeera they say Um-jazeera. Western Saudi like myself can easily understand Egyptian but have a hard time understand central and southern Saudi.
I can understand any arabic person talking, i don't see anything hard about it, i have met Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Plaestine, Iraq, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordon, and not one time i found it hard to communicate with them. Even watching Arabic TV is never hard to understand. Lang. is not a problem at all.
 
I can understand any arabic person talking, i don't see anything hard about it, i have met Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Plaestine, Iraq, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordon, and not one time i found it hard to communicate with them. Even watching Arabic TV is never hard to understand. Lang. is not a problem at all.

Yeah understanding is easy but there are some words that require translation or you asking the person what it means. Maghrabi Arabic (Morocco/Algeria/Tunis) Arabic is hard to understand when they are talking between each other but when they talk to you they talk in an Arabic that you can understand if you haven't noticed.
 
Yeah understanding is easy but there are some words that require translation or you asking the person what it means. Maghrabi Arabic (Morocco/Algeria/Tunis) Arabic is hard to understand when they are talking between each other but when they talk to you they talk in an Arabic that you can understand if you haven't noticed.
True, but its not an issue in my mind...... Well, with Al-Nour party(I am not a fan at all) winning about 25% of the seats in Egypt elections, i can only see Egypt-Gulf countries relations improving significantly.
 
True, but its not an issue in my mind...... Well, with Al-Nour party(I am not a fan at all) winning about 25% of the seats in Egypt elections, i can only see Egypt-Gulf countries relations improving significantly.

What I really want and what I am seeing right now which is the best thing KSA ever done if you ask me. Is that we are finally putting our money into good use, Investing in Turkey, Egypt and Muslim countries with Billions giving their economies a boost at the same time improving relations. Maybe one day once the GCC's name is changed we can look at a new world bloc a bloc for Muslim countries to unite in.
 
What I really want and what I am seeing right now which is the best thing KSA ever done if you ask me. Is that we are finally putting our money into good use, Investing in Turkey, Egypt and Muslim countries with Billions giving their economies a boost at the same time improving relations. Maybe one day once the GCC's name is changed we can look at a new world bloc a bloc for Muslim countries to unite in.
I hopeone day we can all work togther. We will not get better, unless we get better together. What i really hope for Saudi Arabia to do, is to develop a govering system that is based on the people choosing their leaders. Maybe they can start with cities, maybe the Palace can nominate two or more persons and let the people choose between them, develop a system, step by step. I see no reason that you guys can't do it, you guys have all the resources to do it.
 
Caliphate???

It is simply impossible. Nowadays, nobody wants to give up his control for his place even his may be tiny.
 
I can understand any arabic person talking, i don't see anything hard about it, i have met Arabs from Saudi Arabia, Morocco, Algeria, Plaestine, Iraq, Sudan, Lebanon, Syria, Jordon, and not one time i found it hard to communicate with them. Even watching Arabic TV is never hard to understand. Lang. is not a problem at all.
Some forget that most people from Algeria , Morocco are not at all Arabs
They have their own culture , berbers
 
The next Muslim union- will be only under Imam Mehdi- its been written- its destiny-
 
The idea of caliphate will fail miserably- thats all i have to say-

It was an Israeli paper that said it is a new Caliphate. We say it is just an economic and security partnership. As well as a customs union etc..
 

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