GB not to be made province at any cost, says Sardar Attique

[Safriz]

When was GB part of Kashmir?
It was a separate princely state under Agha khan rule

 

[Areesh]

I can give lot of links to the genocide, Killings & terrorism in GB & AJK, but I don't want to go against rules. Regarding the pellet guns, it's in response to their stone pelting on security forces. If we want we can genocide the entire Kashmirs & get done with it easily. All the people who are protesting & the leaders in the Indian Kashmir are in India. And our media & foreign media is covering it.

None of the freedom movement people have any say in Pakistan, they will be killed, that's reason most of them are in foreign countries. How many media debate or show GB AJK news in Pakistan. Leave alone education, healthcare or development, there is no internet or telephone in GB or AJK.

People are mocking my British Parliament video & post & trying to ridicule me. Fine, Let me ask a question - let me see how you answer it.

Let's say the British Parliament passes a bill stating Azad Kashmir & GB rightly belongs to India. Then will you vacate the region.

Watch cat caught your tongue scenario. Your response to this question is the problem of Kashmir. Unless this mindset changes, you can fool yourself not the world.

There is no genocide, killings & terrorism in GB and AJK. These are lies with little to substance that has been fed to you and million of gullible Indians by your media and your state. Both GB and AJK are the most peaceful regions of Pakistan with people living in these regions as being the most patriotic than even those living in Sindh or Punjab.

So called freedom movement leaders live abroad because there is no one to support or back them in AJK or GB. Both AJK & GB are getting development. Both have internet and education. In fact GB & AJK leave Punjab and other provinces far behind in education. Top 11 districts in education are from GB and AJK.

https://defence.pk/pdf/threads/punj...ict-tops-followed-by-ajk.315775/#post-5706146

This lack of development is an old lie that Indian state propagates and has fed to you and your countrymen.

We will answer your question only when British government really passes any such stupid resolution. We know nothing like that is ever going to happen. Even british know your weak position on Kashmir issue and there are zero percent chances of any such resolution by Britain. So there is no reason for us to answer such foolish question.

You Indians are fed lies and are a victim of your propaganda. Your propaganda can fool you. It was designed to fool Indian nation. Not the world. AJK and GB are happy and peaceful unlike IOK which would never get peace with Indian occupation in place.

 

[bananarepublic]

I can give lot of links to the genocide, Killings & terrorism in GB & AJK, but I don't want to go against rules. Regarding the pellet guns, it's in response to their stone pelting on security forces. If we want we can genocide the entire Kashmirs & get done with it easily. All the people who are protesting & the leaders in the Indian Kashmir are in India. And our media & foreign media is covering it.

None of the freedom movement people have any say in Pakistan, they will be killed, that's reason most of them are in foreign countries. How many media debate or show GB AJK news in Pakistan. Leave alone education, healthcare or development, there is no internet or telephone in GB or AJK.

People are mocking my British Parliament video & post & trying to ridicule me. Fine, Let me ask a question - let me see how you answer it.

Let's say the British Parliament passes a bill stating Azad Kashmir & GB rightly belongs to India. Then will you vacate the region.

Watch cat caught your tongue scenario. Your response to this question is the problem of Kashmir. Unless this mindset changes, you can fool yourself not the world.

Please don`t post bullshit propaganda the guys protesting are not even in GB
there is no freedom movement there are no threats to any freedom movements because there arent any
now regarding eduction we have the highest literacy rate in Pakistan we have better electricity than pakistan the only there is both internet and telephone which is being upgraded by laying fiber optics line planned to be completed this years. Dont think we are some backward place we are a thoused time better than any place in india we have more freedom the indian occupied J&K we dont have foreign 700000 troops deployed to maintain peace

i would go as far as inviting you to come to GB as i have meet and talked with many indian tourist coming here . and i wish to also visit J&k .... oh wait you guys are gonna brand me a terrorist and jail me....

When was GB part of Kashmir?
It was a separate princely state under Agha khan rule

No it wasenet it was ruled by different mirs and rajas such as the Mir of Nagar was Shia and Mir of hunza was Ismaili..

 

[Kabira]

Ok slaves, paid agents. There can't be paid agents everywhere & so many. Everybody who talks against Paksitan is an agent. Whole world are agents of India. Where are your agents then.

Fine. Listen from your AJK region people view.

Atleast give rational view. I am giving neutral view. If you want peace, you will work towards it. And you blame India doesn't want peace.

After watching some their videos, not sure what they are smoking.

1. Apparently they consider all of Kashmir separate country and G-B part of it.

2. Hindus and Muslims were living happily before Pakistan militants intervened and thats why pious Maharaja jee acceded to India temporarily till referendum, otherwise Kashmir would have been independent country. No native picked up arms against Maharaja in GB or AJK.

3. Its valley muslims fault that now Ladhak and Jammu are demanding to be separate state with in Indian union.

 

[bananarepublic]

seems like the Indian keyboard warriors got silent and i haven't got even i reply in this thread maybe i should post more....

 

[bananarepublic]

There are thousands of links & videos. Can't post some here, due to rules

Hahahaha i just laughed my *** of do u seriously believe this shit.. there are no such violations as compared to J&K with daily killings by the security forces, and tell me do you seriously think we want freedom form pakista after our grandfather shed their blood to rid us from dogra raj
i can also post thousands of videos regarding violations in indian occupied J&K but what use it would be
what do you think that these people living in foreign countries and not here know more about GB and AJK u r telling a Person from GB that his land is oppressed and what royalty in the third video abut GB is he talking about there arent any mines here due to ecological problem .only recently the mega dam construction has started and the inhabitants got crores of rupees and i mean it literally i dont want some fake person calling himself From Gb telling me i am oppressed when my grandfather himself fought against dogra
and by the way are u really posting videos interviewing the leader of the balawaristan national front he has been living out of country for decades and most of consider that idiot as a traitor with huge cases of corruption and trying to create violence here

 

[Areesh]

There are thousands of links & videos. Can't post some here, due to rules

They all are saying AJK GB is part of India & Jammu & Kashmir

Propaganda videos buddy. The videos that are meant for you and other Indians to remain in delusions. These idiots have no popular support and are only limited to some AC rooms in some western country.

Population of GB and AJK is with Pakistan. One or two monkeys can be with India. doesn't matter for us as far as GB and AJK people are with Pakistan.

 

[unleashed]

But in fact we seriously wish you make these kind of moves to kill any plebiscite issue for the time being.

So you are fully convinced that if plebiscite conducted afterwards will go in favour of India? Its just your wish dear

sell Pakistan to China

Selling a country ?

 

[Areesh]

You can laugh it off. This is not Indian people or Indian media propaganda. I am showing locals. And it's not one or two people. I can post thousands of different people here.

Why are you deviating from topic. We are not talking of violations in Indian Kashmir here. We are talking of GB & AJK. It rightfully belongs to Jammu & Kashmir of India. People are asking how you have allowed the Chinese to function in its territory without their permission. They are asking on what grounds you want to make it the 5th province of Pakistan, when you have no rights over it & neither you have done anything to the people inspite of your illegal occupation. You have plundered their natural recourses & exploited the entire region by keeping the local population under suppression, fear & with no basic rights. They are asking for freedom from Pakistan's rule & opression.

It's time Pakistan vacates the entire occupation as per UN & stop all Chinese projects, stop misuse & fraudulent acts & selling illegal property to China which is a violation of international law.

You can present videos and more videos but that doesn't prove anything. None of these videos aren't any neutral news research done by any journalist. These videos that in most cases are uploaded by Indian trolls on Youtube who want to give them satisfaction and justification after all the sh!t happening in IOK. All of these are random interviews of one or two individuals. There are no mass protests. There is no mass uprising against Pakistan like there is a popular movement for freedom in IOK. And that is the reason there is peace in AJK and GB while there was curfew for nearly 100 days in IOK last year after martyrdom Burhan Wani. People of GB and AJK don't even know what is curfew. They don't know pellet guns. They don't know arrests and disappearance. They don't know mass graves. This is AJK And GB. That is free of oppression, terrorism and brutality all of whom are in abundance in IOK.

It is time you guys open your eyes. A great majority of AJK and GB are with Pakistan. A great majority loves and even greater majority hates India to the core. Even those one or two guys in those videos might have some political issues with Pakistan but even they won't want to live with India. India is a complete no for people of AJK, IOK and GB.

As for the bold part. No it doesn't belong to India. People of GB hate you and so do other Pakistanis. Don't behave like that failed lover who has been refuted and rejected by its love.

You have plundered their natural recourses & exploited the entire region by keeping the local population under suppression, fear & with no basic rights. They are asking for freedom from Pakistan's rule & opression.

As for the lie that you have been fed by your country about lack of development in AJK, read what your own newspaper "The Hindu" has to say about this famous lie of Indian state.

Comparing Muzaffarabad with Srinagar, the second oldest city after Varanasi in South Asia, would be unfair. Though Muzaffarabad was among three main district headquarters of the state before 1947, Srinagar has always been the epicentre of cultural and political awakening with a population of 14 lakh souls.

Muzaffarabad, with a population of just over 6,00,000, looks cleaner than Srinagar (Azad Kashmir has 10 districts with an estimated population over three million in 2009). Even during my previous visit in 2004, I found that the stories of “under development in Azad Kashmir,” fed to us on this side, are off the mark. This time, I noticed road connectivity and power supply to houses even on the upper reaches of a hill. In contrast, many villages in Jammu and Kashmir even today are without basic facilities. Neither does Muzaffarabad seem to be lagging behind in education and health compared to the Indian side of Jammu and Kashmir though progress is more in tune with Pakistani literacy rates. In the past few years the development in these two sectors has been rapid. The literacy rate in Azad Kashmir has touched 65 per cent which is higher than for any other area in Pakistan. In conversations, both the young and old in Muzaffarabad say that Pakistan has “never discriminated” against the region.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/The-other-Kashmir/article13834085.ece

Got it??? Got the truth from your own media???

Now read more about how people feel about Pakistan. A great majority wants to live with Pakistan

There are voices in Azad Kashmir, particularly in Mirpur, an area dominated by expatriate Kashmiris, which are for complete independence of the erstwhile Jammu and Kashmir, from India and Pakistan. But those voices are not strong for many reasons — a sizeable section of the population is for merger with Pakistan; also, the basis of political life in Azad Kashmir, the political parties, are all either regional off-shoots of the political parties in Pakistan, or ally themselves with them. Also constant discouragement by Islamabad is evident — invisible pressure on Azad Kashmir from Islamabad and the continuous surveillance on the people is part of a permanent structure in Muzaffarabad.

At the AJK University, where the students are quite vocal, there is a range of voices. “We are for merger with Pakistan but only after (your) Kashmir gets freedom,” said Sama Gazal a post-graduate student in AJK University. “We are a dependent state on both sides so it is better to be with Pakistan. India has done so much of repression in Kashmir.”

Countering her were Syed Mohisin Raza and Gowhar Javed, who said they were for independence. “We cannot go with Pakistan. Abhi unkey saath rehna majboori hey (it's only because of circumstances that we are with them now),” said Raza. Interestingly there is not much support for violent struggle for “liberating Kashmir.”

But barring the disgruntlement with political interference from Islamabad, people largely feel “comfortable” with Pakistan.

http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/The-other-Kashmir/article13834085.ece

Got it?? It is time you guys open your eyes. Kashmir is bound to get freedom. All these youtube videos and fake news won't change anything in IOK. People of all three regions AJK, IOK and GB aren't going to be fooled by these lies. But it is time you guys open your eyes and accept truth and question lies said to you by your government.

You guys are not cows. You can worship it but you are not one. Live with accepting truth. Don't die in ignorance.

 

[WaLeEdK2]

You can present videos and more videos but that doesn't prove anything. None of these videos aren't any neutral news research done by any journalist. These videos that in most cases are uploaded by Indian trolls on Youtube who want to give them satisfaction and justification after all the sh!t happening in IOK. All of these are random interviews of one or two individuals. There are no mass protests. There is no mass uprising against Pakistan like there is a popular movement for freedom in IOK. And that is the reason there is peace in AJK and GB while there was curfew for nearly 100 days in IOK last year after martyrdom Burhan Wani. People of GB and AJK don't even know what is curfew. They don't know pellet guns. They don't know arrests and disappearance. They don't know mass graves. This is AJK And GB. That is free of oppression, terrorism and brutality all of whom are in abundance in IOK.

It is time you guys open your eyes. A great majority of AJK and GB are with Pakistan. A great majority loves and even greater majority hates India to the core. Even those one or two guys in those videos might have some political issues with Pakistan but even they won't want to live with India. India is a complete no for people of AJK, IOK and GB.

As for the bold part. No it doesn't belong to India. People of GB hate you and so do other Pakistanis. Don't behave like that failed lover who has been refuted and rejected by its love.



As for the lie that you have been fed by your country about lack of development in AJK, read what your own newspaper "The Hindu" has to say about this famous lie of Indian state.



http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/The-other-Kashmir/article13834085.ece

Got it??? Got the truth from your own media???

Now read more about how people feel about Pakistan. A great majority wants to live with Pakistan



http://www.thehindu.com/opinion/op-ed/The-other-Kashmir/article13834085.ece

Got it?? It is time you guys open your eyes. Kashmir is bound to get freedom. All these youtube videos and fake news won't change anything in IOK. People of all three regions AJK, IOK and GB aren't going to be fooled by these lies. But it is time you guys open your eyes and accept truth and question lies said to you by your government.

You guys are not cows. You can worship it but you are not one. Live with accepting truth. Don't die in ignorance.

It's not hard for us to give vids. These are actually authentic

These Kashmiri students were staging a protest and see what happens when PA comes by:

There's literally zero anti-Pakistan sentiment and GB and AK. I've been there many times especially muzzafrabad.

 

[Areesh]

It's not hard for us to give vids. These are actually authentic

These Kashmiri students were staging a protest and see what happens when PA comes by:

We don't need to give any video. The love and patriotism of people of AJK and GB is far beyond any video.

 

[cocomo]

Let's hope we don't have a war of words b/w GB and AJK because GB really wants to be established as an independent province because they feel they don't have the same rights as those from other provinces. And if GB is declared a province that can foster resentment in AJK and expatriates.

 

[Verve]

What goes on in British Parliament is utterly irrelevant.

Take it to UN and see what happens!

What happened to 'it's a bilateral issue' and 'shimla accord's mantra?

 

[VCheng]

Actually, the UN Sec-Gen is on record, multiple times, saying that Kashmir is a bilateral issue and UN can get involved only if both parties agree, as stipulated by the Simla Accord. Has that changed?

 

[DESERT FIGHTER]

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