Gaza-Israel Conflict | October 2023

[mulj]

Well, I just have one question for you.

What do you think Hamas are going to get out from this war with Israeli? First, do you really think there is an aspect Hamas is winning this? Or you think this is going to change the dynamic of Palestinian independence in favor of them?

Because if you ask me the same question, I would say no to both question, in fact, I don't think anything short of re-occupying Gaza is acceptable for me if I am Netanyahu, and I am in the majority claim after reading quite a few thinks tank analysis (Not PDF think tank, but actual think tank like CSIS and so on)

Frenkly do not know what is end game of this operation but if some news are true that israel asked for truce already via egypt mediators it is huge win for them.
Also, some unconfirmed rumors that they managed to reach hebron in west bank, that is other significant thing for them to gain even more popularity among palestinian people and show that armed resistance works at the end.

 

[PWFI]

 

[BillyRayValentine]

This is not going to end until the Big Bang, aka Armageddon.

I've studied prophecies and the amazing thing is how accurate they've proven to be. All what's happening was written and we're coming to the end game soon. I don't think anyone can change the outcome.

The Israelis are probably going to do a terrible massacre in Gaza and temporarily crush all Palestinian resistance. Then they'll demolish Al Aqsa Mosque and build their Third Temple. They will have a ruler who will rule from the Third Temple.

Meanwhile Saudi Arabia is going to descend into civil war, like Libya or Syria. Muslims will get a leader who will unite them.

And so on. There will be a final clash in a place called Har megiddo, which is in Israel near Nazareth. That's Armageddon. Muslims will pay a very heavy price, but will win in the end, inshallah.

Then finally peace on Earth.

Very interesting. What about the war between the good Romans and the bad romans? In which we will side with the good/winning Romans, also what events will lead to the civil war you mention? The creation of Pax Judaica with borders till Taif is also in the works I believe

 

[mulj]

More than 250 civilians were killed at the music festival. Many foreign nationals

That is for unreserved condemnation but who on hell organize parties along the biggest open prison in the world?

 

[Titanium100]

@LeGenD Can I say something here? There is a manga/anime which is my most favorite one and one of my most favorite works of art generally.

In the story,at some point,the small isolated nation that has been considered and blamed as devils by the world,staged a very strong strong surprise attack at the enemy's capital. They killed a lot of soldiers,a lot of civilians,wiped out the biggest part of the top brass and officials,all in front of journalists and ambassadors from all over the world. Their attack was surprising and devastating.

The biggest authorities who ruled behind the scenes,knew there was a "rat infestation",they knew an attack was coming but they went on with it and insisted the world's biggest newspapers and ambassadors had to see it.

So...while the small nation's common soldiers and people were celebrating and thinking it was the first of many victories to come,the most experienced and wiser ones were like:

"Until the whole world gathers and attacks us" and scenes like this:

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They thought they had gained time,they had gained a big victory against a massive enemy. But instead of proving that they were the good guys,they united the whole world against them (previously the nation that was dealt the blow was at war with various other countries).


So...you see some parallels here,right?

Many cheer and think they just won a big battle. But they had no idea what that would cause. They managed to save Netanyahu's government and unite the Israelis. Which Israeli will trust a Palestinian now? Hamas abducted anyone they found. Even Nepalis.

People like you are half-azzed and refuse to see the bigger picture here. Massive enemy? Who is that massive enemy tiny Israel?

You refuse to see the bigger picture here. Hamas wants this escalation to spread to the mideast entirely this was the whole idea and they know it will have spillover factors if they can succeed in spreading the escalation ladder.

Israel can be undone within 24 hours. They don't have stargetic depth and their airforce can be completely grounded by state actors and then hit with just one nuke warhead it will be over for Israel as we speak Nor do they have the stomach to take on larger invading forces forget the Palestinians they are irrelevant in all of this. No helping hand will reach them quick enough to salvage it.

Escalations begets miscalculations and miscalulations begets a wider more dangerous regional conflict which either way Israel will be the main casuality nobody will be able to alter it however you look at it. Because it is an unsustain project and they themselves know this that it is a temporary project Israel won't be here decades from now.

It is not in the interest of Israel this thing spreading. Regional states gov'ts will come under severe pressure to the point where the army takes over rendering the gov'ts useless to block any wider conflict there is always a stage where the states overheads lose the authority because this region is unpredictable and emotional things like that can happen over night

 

[HGV]

https://twitter.com/x/status/1711007475682431159

 

[Lehrasap]

The Europoodles dont want the Jews in their land so they support them to stay in Palestine, that's their main agenda.

If Europeans let Millions of Muslims immigrate to their countries, then surely they have no problems with Jews.
There is no end to conspiracy theories by religious people. They are very narrow-minded people.

 

[Friday]

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all he need some white bob and vegenes. he is fed up with those dark shabby bushes,

 

[Jaeger]

You have a very poor understanding of freedom struggle. Going to Jail isn't a sign of freedom struggle. Also how many barristers you have seen in Jail.

Leave everything aside, please tell me which freedom movement he initiated, headed or participated?

Quit India, No cooperation, Khalifat movement , Swades , Purna Swaraj ?

 

[F-22Raptor]

With the number of dead over 600+, I fully expect Israel to invade and occupy Gaza

 

[LegionnairE]

I already explained that thought process. You might remember that on Defence Hub , I wrote that in the reality the majority of this people aren't islamists. How and why is long story. Do you know what helps to understand many of these things? Don't look much into who said that and this or so called political views. Look the characters, habits, history, mentally, instincts. I remember, years ago on bbc , they showed a little old Benghali man who took all his family to Syria to Daesh. He was saying that he wanted to be the part if the Islamic State. The old man with the family in war zone??? To be a good Muslim? No, never. He was a man who wanted to feel non servant for the first time in his life, who finally wanted to be somebody etc. Totally irresponsible ant Totally unislamic.
Others went there that people can be afraid of them for once in their lives, sex adventures, pathetic romanticism, attention, position etc. All those reasons have nothing to do with Islam. You can see the way , they do Dawa in London. Literally the started to resemble Stop The Oil . If they reread Qur'an then they would see that such way of preaching is not recommended.
It is not surprising really that many people split with Islam or have certain issues. When they see such charade and if they don't particular knowledge, then it is easy to develop general apprehension towards Islam. Etc etc. There are very very few genuine Islamists hence I am more concentrated on the nationalism.
After all what's is in their story substantial. While in their countries, they are not Patriots but in London and Paris, they are ( obviously for the sake of individualsm). They have no understanding of the Religion nor they can implement what Allah SWT orders them. It is always the case that someone else is to blame ( lack of responsibility). Clichés are the norms. In reality &70 of thinking is woke based.
You and me have to be reminded about the destiny of Andalusian Muslims, 550 years ago, not for all the sacrifices which we have given in the last 200 years. They don't know that nor do they care. Because in reality, they don't want God's Low or system. They want victimocracy, where the more jin glasses you washed for British officers, the higher rank you should have, the wiser you are hence you can feel entitled to philosofie. We have completely different story and instead to learn from that and gain the experience, they choose to antagonise that, just out if Nefs. So it is not surprising that many Turks get annoyed with that. Out of their narcissism, they make enemies out of friends. What's paradoxes, all of this is truly contradictory to Islam

I don't want to go down this rabbit hole so I'll cut this short.

Nobody becomes a muslim because of something written in the doctrine. Nobody reads and compares the bible and kuran and says "kuran is better, I'm becoming a muslim." It's always desire to be part of something greater than themselves, a sense of good and evil and the perception that muslims are good and virtuous others being evil etc.

Especially in non-arabic speaking countries but this is true in general. Extremely few muslims actually read Quran or any other scripture. Even if they do read it, they all understand it differently and unless you're in a cult, every muslim has a different view and understanding of islam.

For me there's no difference betewen the Iranian mullah, Fetö Imams, ISIS wannabes and orthodox jews, or even far left communists. These are just different flavors of the uncivilized savage.


Either you're civilized or uncivilized. Either you're human or an animal. I don't care if you're an Armenian, Greek or Arab or someone who calls himself a Turk. If you're against Atatürk, you belong in the latter group.

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[LeGenD]

I disagree. After the last round of Israeli's attacks in Gaza, the US immediately started a massive Iron Dome resupply effort. This is in addition to the $4 billion of US taxpayer money that Israeli receives as a military aid every year. Remember the huge amount of US military equipment sent to Israel after the early days of huge losses by Israel in the 1973 war?

Israel does not have enough SAM interceptors to deal with sustained rocket fire from multiple fronts over multiple weeks. This is not a criticism of Israel, which has arguably the strongest AD system in the world, but a reality check.

Separately, you mentioned that Hamas had "outdone" Hezbollah in this conflict (by inflicting a greater number of casualties on Israel). Whilst I do not fully agree with the logic of the comparison (each conflict is driven by its own dynamics), you are right that the casualties inflicted by Hamas are historic. Case in point, Israeli channels are reporting that the Israeli death toll from these 2 days is likely to reach the total Israeli death toll in the 1967 "six days war" (776-983 Israelis killed).

Joint production systems in place.

 

[Gomig-21]

More than 250 civilians were killed at the music festival. Many foreign nationals

CNN just said over 600 Israelis have been killed so far. They also broadcast the news that 2 Israeli tourists have been shot and killed in Alexandria, Egypt, by a policeman!

 

[Titanium100]

Once the escalation ladder is climbed more and more the calls to arms across the Mideast will ring and that is when THE narrative for possible descalation will be lost forever. Many nations overhead states will lose command over their armed forces and civilians entirely

 

[TopGun786]

No its is your bunch that either reacts with a logical fallacy.
“No true scotsman”
“Whataboutism”

Or blatantly still refuse to admit historical and well documented facts even if they stare you in the face.

willingly blind.

The only true fact is that your ancestors gased majority of jooooz, then gather the remnants and made them settle on stolen lands in middle east.
Now those jooooz have turned into Zios and taking revenge from Palestinians which have nothing to do with it.
Palestinians are till date paying for the atrocities of West and their daddy USA.