Gates says ISI playing double game, CIA backs ‘effective’ drone attacks

[Patriot]

Talibans and AQ certainly don't need sanctuary in Pakistan.They have half of Afghanistan's Control for christ sake.Do they really need Pakistan when they can easily grow poppy in Afghanistan, earn money and sell it!

 

[Bill Longley]

Talibans and AQ certainly don't need sanctuary in Pakistan.They have half of Afghanistan's Control for christ sake.Do they really need Pakistan when they can easily grow poppy in Afghanistan, earn money and sell it!

LOST IDENTITY: BLAMEING PAKISTAN FOR US BLUNDERS IN AFGHANISTAN

Pakistan entered in war on terror long before 911, when prior to attacks on WTC Pakistani government started banning militant out fits, which originated during and after completion of American jihad in Afghanistan. Pakistan is the country victim of American imperialism and world politics. As a student of history and Politics it some time depresses me how Pakistani strategic elite made whole nation suffer for their own petty interests and those of its masters


Anglo American support for extremism and Takfir dates back to 18 century. British Empire supported Wahabis of Middle east and after the Break up of British Empire the torch of imperialism came to hands of US. Before cold war Extremism was supported for commercial interests and to break up Ottoman Empire. After fall of Ottomans Extremist Muslims and Regimes became allies of Imperials in Fight against Communism.

US and Western powers supported Takfiri and extremist groups as tool for their policies. Akhwan ul Muslimeen was financed and used against growing Nassirism and Arab Nationalism ... Hamas was created by US and Israel to balance PLO...Then same Takfir and Islamic extremism was used against Soviets in Afghanistan and Central Asia....

After fall of USSR these extremists played important role in promoting Free worlds interests....like creating conditions in strategic regions for American interventions...recently Ansar Al Islam was promoted in Lebanon against Hezbollah

In Pakistan we became the victims when in order to avenge Vietnam US government started financing Mullahs of Afghanistan to draw Sovit troops into afghanistan.. Criminals and religious fanatics were brought to Pakistan to fight American Jihad. Thousands of Tafsir and books were published in US and distributed free in Pakistan and Afghan refugee camps to brain wash people and make them fanatics and supporters of Afghan jihad.

Coming back to topic Pakistan, through out its history remained victim of American imperialism. At this moment Pakistan is under criticism from west and especially from Americans for doing less in war on terror.

I laugh and then cry when I see American and western press aggressively attacking government and army of Pakistan for doing less. Pakistan who have sacrificed more then 2000 soldiers in War on terror. Its troops are fighting toughest insurgency in its short history.. Never before Nation faced such a ruthless enemy who slaughter soldiers and people like goats then Show heads to media to create terror.

where as in Afghanistan US and NATO have lost only 1140 soldiers which are constitute only half of Pakistani casualties... NATO and US ,who like blaming Pakistan forget that Pakistani State has sacrificed a lot.... Which is beyond their imagination.. Pakistan is in state of civil war only because of its support for war on terror.. Whole nation is in living in constant fear.... in uncertainty... in fear of suicide bombings and other acts of terror. .. Taliban and Al Qaeda terrorists have caused thousands of deaths and billion of Dollars worth loss... but again they say we are doing nothing....
Keeping aside american and westren aligation here in this eassy I will discuss what US AND NATO is doing in Afghanistan..... In short all we see is US and NATO are doing only BULL **** and Nothing more

According to Times on line US and NATO are financeing Taliban indirectly in Afghanistan
"The West is indirectly funding the insurgency in Afghanistan thanks to a system of payoffs to Taleban commanders who charge protection money to allow convoys of military supplies to reach Nato bases in the south of the country....

...Asked whether his company paid money to Taleban commanders not to attack them, he said: “Everyone is hungry, everyone needs to eat. They are attacking the convoys because they have no jobs. They easily take money not to attack.” He said that until about 14 months ago, security companies had been able to protect convoys without paying. But since then, the attacks had become too severe not to pay groups controlling the route. Attacks on the Kandahar road have been an almost daily occurrence this year. On June 24 a 50-truck convoy of supplies was destroyed. Seven drivers were beheaded by the roadside. The situation now was so extreme that a rival company, working south of the city of Ghazni, had Taleban fighters to escort their convoys.

“I won't name the company, but they are from the Panjshir Valley [in north Afghanistan]. But they have a very good relation with the Taleban. The Taleban come and move with the convoy. They sit in the front vehicle of the convoy to ensure security,” said the company chief.

The Taleban are not the only ones making money from the trade; warlords, thieves, policemen and government officials are also taking a cut.

A transport company owner who runs convoys south on the notoriously dangerous Kabul to Kandahar highway said: “We pay taxes to both thieves and the Taleban to get our trucks through Ghazni province and there are several ways of paying. This goes to a very high level in the Afghan Government"(Taleban tax: allied supply convoys pay their enemies for safe passage ,timesonline,December 12, 2008)

They say Pakistan (who has suffered twice then NATO and US)is doing nothing where as they Them selves are Knowingly Financeing Taliban.... I call it offencive defence to cover incompetance and Failure

According to US and European media West is pumping billion of dollars in reconstruction of Afghanistan... It’s true but its helping only Afghan elite and western workers in reconstruction of their wealth. And nothing more then a drop is reaching in hands of ordinary Afghan... in words of Patrick Cockburn, a well know reporter of Independent

"Vast sums of money are being lavished by Western aid agencies on their own officials in Afghanistan at a time when extreme poverty is driving young Afghans to fight for the Taliban. The going rate paid by the Taliban for an attack on a police checkpoint in the west of the country is $4, but foreign consultants in Kabul, who are paid out of overseas aids budgets, can command salaries of $250,000 to $500,000 a year"...( Kabuls New Elite)

These two Reliable Reports Tells a lot what’s NATO and US are doing to root out Taliban in their controlled Afghanistan.... US and its Allies are intoxicated in their sense of ALLMIGHTY NESS. On other hand they know they are failing in every thing and know their incompetence in controlling the situation .that is why they are aggressively pressurizing Pakistan to hide their own incompetence.... Pakistan which is doing more than it has strength to do, proposed mining and fencing of Durand line but afghan and Allied countries opposed because they knew if it happens they will not be able to Blame Pakistan and will fail hide their incompetence in Afghanistan, which by the way has become more insecure as a result of use of almighty American and NATO power ...


Pakistani Soldiers Inspecting Suiside Car in Bunair

One Advice for americans and NATO

Afghans are also humans so treat them accordingly. When in name of collateral damage you kill dozens.... In name of raids humiliate common man ...how you can expect ordinary people to co operate. Afghans celebrated the fall of Taliban...But your Imperial conduct made them, especially Pashtun hate you... now they are getting out of your hand every day.... If you really want peace in Afghanistan and in South Asia...Please leave the region.... People of South Asia especially Afghans and Pakistanis have suffered a lot due to you imperialism... We know better to fight extremism...your conduct and presence only helps extremists ( which you your self created)...

The greatness lies in Truth Please reckon the truth and try to convince people that you are friends not master, here only to loot....

LOST IDENTITY: BLAMEING PAKISTAN FOR US BLUNDERS IN AFGHANISTAN

 

[Zob]

well i guess the problem lies with indian INFLUENCE in afghanistan.....mr.karzai...is way to pro INDIAN....now to coutnet that and to ensure that we are always occupied after the TALIBAN are gone only on one side of the border....we need to maintain minimum contact with diffrent groups....

pakistan can't be expected to just bury its head in the sand and keep thinknig everyone is friendly....if india can wooo afghanistan towards it WHY WOULDN'T IT....its fair....now if the US president himself says that we want to talk to the MODERATE TALIBANS.....does that also mean that MR.OBAMA is playing a double game against the american people...

pakistan if it wishies to maintain a civil relationship with the not so hardcore TALIBAN...i don't think it should be termed as a double game....its just keeping yourself informed and in contention....

 

[S-2]

"Hillary Clinton said the United States was working with Pakistan to determine and disrupt the route for supplying weapons to the Taliban.

‘Yes, we know that the extremists are being supplied,’ she said when asked why the US was unable to determine and disrupt the Taliban supply route.

Muse, I hardly see the following from Mrs. Clinton's comments. She says they're supplied. Nothing more. How is that double speak or obfuscation?

"Notice, more double speak, more obfuscation, Mrs. Clinton states that the U.S knows the Talib's supply line - and note that she does not say thatthe U.S will act in Afghanistan to stop the supply line."

She is an attorney, civilian, and SECSTATE-not SECDEF. How is it for her to be your source on our intended military operations in Afghanistan. Should she, representing our nation to many other nations and other diplomatic interests, be intimately apprised of taliban supply routes and our military intentions to such? Only Colin Powell might have been comfortable broaching such a subject and he'd likely have deferred for reasons of governmental protocol.

Seems an unfair and unbalanced assessment of her responsibilities or simple petulance...

Military Wants More Troops For the Afghan War-WAPO April 2, 2009

We anticipate 68,000 U.S. troops by this year supporting ISAF and OEF, in addition to our Dept. of Ag/AID PRT contributors and the U.S. Army Corps of Engineers (who ain't combat so you can guess what they're trying to do.)

In addition, our allied contribution is 31,000 w/ the ANA also continuing to grow AS THEY FIGHT. That's about 160,000 SOLDIERS in addition to Afghan Border and National police forces. The numbers are beginning to approach those mythical figures quoted so religiously by Shinseki for Iraq.

Because we face virtually no significant resistance north of a line Herat to Kabul (excepting the eastern provinces along your border or near like Kapisa, Wardak, Nuristan and Konar (all largely still pashtu), we've a nice economy of force model developing.

Those guys are going south and you've long known of these deployments. The numbers involved for ISAF/OEF are readily available to inquiring minds so there's little doubt if anybody is engaging in double-speak and obfuscation it's...

you.

And it's hysterical to boot. You are now allowing a personal vendetta to consume your rational discourse. You've displayed little talent for writing with anger AND reason.

Calm yourself, sir. Please? It is your forte to dispense rational, reasoned posts...You are MUSE. This is not now the case and we all suffer for it.

 

[muse]

S2


You are about having some understanding of elements of events gto come soon - but
You are mistaken about it being personal - I'm all for killing off the Talib, because as usual Pakistan have played their cards in a sloppy manner and because killing of the Talib hold the potential of ridding Pakistan of an idea who time has passed - but it would be a mistake to think that I am not aware of how and why the "Talib" in Pakistan is the problem it is.

American policy makers are not a monolith, in the same manner as diverse power centers in Pakistani policy are seen as double dealing, so are the diversity among competing power centers among U.S policy makers. It is clear that the NYT has a cozy relationship with elements of the U.S. intel community and non U.S. intel communities agendas are also entertained.

 

[S-2]

"You are about having some understanding of elements of events gto come soon - but
You are mistaken about it being personal - I'm all for killing off the Talib... but it would be a mistake to think that I am not aware of how and why the "Talib" in Pakistan is the problem it is."

Uh oh...I fear a rant coming as I see that none of this reply has a damned thing to do with your LAST rant about Hillary obfuscating and double-speaking her way through a military dissertation.

"American policy makers are not a monolith, in the same manner as diverse power centers in Pakistani policy are seen as double dealing, so are the diversity among competing power centers among U.S policy makers."

I see. Seymour Hersch and you have now identified a conspiracy of unrelated rogue elements operating on their own agendas, eh?

"It is clear that the NYT has a cozy relationship with elements of the U.S. intel community and non U.S. intel communities agendas are also entertained"

Muse, I give up. You are certifiably WHACK and the demise has been at light-speed. You've moved utterly into la-la land from my perspective.

I was correct. Delusional paranoia.

We're done, stud, until you come to your senses. Engaging you otherwise is asinine. Later.

 

[BaburCM]

LOL Who cares about what Gates has to say. The puppet is totally irrelevant. As for the drone attacks, they will sour relations to an extent that war will be inevitable. Only this time the war will have grave consequences for the world as a whole.

 

[ajpirzada]

i dont get one thing. y doesnt NATO troops go out of their bunkers and fight these talibans where they are. not all of them are comin from pakistan or are they?? and y dont u let pakistani talibans enter afghanistan?? y not increase the check posts at the border area and kill them when they enter afghanistan??

 

[Bill Longley]

According to Times on line US and NATO are financeing Taliban indirectly in Afghanistan
"The West is indirectly funding the insurgency in Afghanistan thanks to a system of payoffs to Taleban commanders who charge protection money to allow convoys of military supplies to reach Nato bases in the south of the country....


According to US and European media West is pumping billion of dollars in reconstruction of Afghanistan... It’s true but its helping only Afghan elite and western workers in reconstruction of their wealth. And nothing more then a drop is reaching in hands of ordinary Afghan... in words of Patrick Cockburn, a well know reporter of Independent

"Vast sums of money are being lavished by Western aid agencies on their own officials in Afghanistan at a time when extreme poverty is driving young Afghans to fight for the Taliban. The going rate paid by the Taliban for an attack on a police checkpoint in the west of the country is $4, but foreign consultants in Kabul, who are paid out of overseas aids budgets, can command salaries of $250,000 to $500,000 a year"...( Kabuls New Elite)

when they themselves finance talibs then how can they fight them

 

[zubair723]

People like GATES wake up in the morning , go to the BATHROOM, see the mirror & cry 'TALIBAN'

 

[Zob]

i dont get one thing. y doesnt NATO troops go out of their bunkers and fight these talibans where they are. not all of them are comin from pakistan or are they?? and y dont u let pakistani talibans enter afghanistan?? y not increase the check posts at the border area and kill them when they enter afghanistan??

well wouldn't that make the NATO unemployed soon...?? they will do so but only once they have found a green pasture...or a "BIGGER THREAT TO HUMANITY"....

on a serious note well i guess all these big shots should stop giving interviews....they just create unnecessary sensation...

 

[ajpirzada]

Arms from U.S. may be falling into Taliban hands: US paper
Updated at: 0930 PST, Wednesday, May 20, 2009

NEW YORK: Insurgents in Afghanistan, fighting from some of the poorest and most remote regions on earth, have managed for years to maintain an intensive guerrilla war against materially superior American and Afghan forces.

Weapons from a police post linked to an attack on Americans. Most rifles were the kind issued by the United States.

Arms and ordnance collected from dead insurgents hint at one possible reason: Of 30 rifle magazines recently taken from insurgents’ corpses, at least 17 contained cartridges, or rounds, identical to ammunition the United States had provided to Afghan government forces, according to an examination of ammunition markings by The New York Times and interviews with American officers and arms dealers.

The presence of this ammunition among the dead in the Korangal Valley, an area of often fierce fighting near Afghanistan’s border with Pakistan, strongly suggests that munitions procured by the Pentagon have leaked from Afghan forces for use against American troops.

The scope of that diversion remains unknown, and the 30 magazines represented a single sampling of fewer than 1,000 cartridges. But military officials, arms analysts and dealers say it points to a worrisome possibility: With only spotty American and Afghan controls on the vast inventory of weapons and ammunition sent into Afghanistan during an eight-year conflict, poor discipline and outright corruption among Afghan forces may have helped insurgents stay supplied.
Arms from U.S. may be falling into Taliban hands: US paper


so now who is to blame???

 

[ajpirzada]

well wouldn't that make the NATO unemployed soon...?? they will do so but only once they have found a green pasture...or a "BIGGER THREAT TO HUMANITY"....

on a serious note well i guess all these big shots should stop giving interviews....they just create unnecessary sensation...

yup these big shot should rather tell their troops to fight talibans and not wait for them to come and then retaliate. also these big shots havent even got control over their own weapons which are now reportedly being used by talibans in afghanistan.

 

[zubair723]

Arms from U.S. may be falling into Taliban hands: US paper
Updated at: 0930 PST, Wednesday, May 20, 2009

NEW YORK: Insurgents in Afghanistan, fighting from some of the poorest and most remote regions on earth, have managed for years to maintain an intensive guerrilla war against materially superior American and Afghan forces.

Weapons from a police post linked to an attack on Americans. Most rifles were the kind issued by the United States.

Arms and ordnance collected from dead insurgents hint at one possible reason: Of 30 rifle magazines recently taken from insurgents’ corpses, at least 17 contained cartridges, or rounds, identical to ammunition the United States had provided to Afghan government forces, according to an examination of ammunition markings by The New York Times and interviews with American officers and arms dealers.

The presence of this ammunition among the dead in the Korangal Valley, an area of often fierce fighting near Afghanistan’s border with Pakistan, strongly suggests that munitions procured by the Pentagon have leaked from Afghan forces for use against American troops.

The scope of that diversion remains unknown, and the 30 magazines represented a single sampling of fewer than 1,000 cartridges. But military officials, arms analysts and dealers say it points to a worrisome possibility: With only spotty American and Afghan controls on the vast inventory of weapons and ammunition sent into Afghanistan during an eight-year conflict, poor discipline and outright corruption among Afghan forces may have helped insurgents stay supplied.
Arms from U.S. may be falling into Taliban hands: US paper


so now who is to blame???

This is good. The mystery of how they are getting arms is solved. Well personally I am eyeing the US ARMY's night vision gear which has hit the local market

 

[pakomar]

Actually its other way around US is playing double game with Pakistan. All the terrorists coming in Pakistan are from Uzbekistan Tajikistan and Afghanistan. Theses all terrorist are using Afghanistan border into Pakistan. Weapons are provided to these terrorist are usually American and British weapons. Its US aided Taliban to create instability in Pakistan and when time is right to declare Pakistan a terrorist state and take Pakistan nukes.
Do n t think Pakistani are fool we all know what US games are. Everyone in Pakistan knows what going on and who is responsible for the war with in Pakistan Taliban war is not with Pakistani Muslims but with US. Tell me one drone attack in which TTP command or member hit.
Only thing stopping US to take our nukes is Pakistan army that why TTP are aided by US to weaken Pakistan army .on the other hand Pakistan army is also aided to show US support to Pakistan.
Remember Pakistan will be graveyard for US so chose your enemy wisely.