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Gail Emms slams Olympic badminton format after controversial games
By Matt Domm, Reporter
Tuesday, July 31, 2012 at 22:36 UK

Athens Olympics silver-medallist Gail Emms has slammed the group format of the badminton tournament after Chinese, South Korean and Indonesian doubles teams appeared to be trying to lose to enable easier routes to the final.

Emms tweeted about the bizarre scenes during the China vs. South Korea match, before slamming the group format when the same appeared to be happening in the South Korea vs. Indonesia match which followed.

"Simple solution - NEVER have groups for badminton again," Emms tweeted. "It's always knockout so keep it that way! Then every match demands effort.

"There could be four out of the eight women's doubles pairs disqualified after this!! Including the favourites!! Not sure how the tournament ref is going to explain this."

China lost against Korea, which has ensured they will not face the second Chinese doubles team until the final.

Australia coach Lasse Bundgaard

Australia coach Lasse Bundgaard, who also lodged a protest, blamed the group format for the controversy.

“It’s not good when you create a tournament where the players are put in this situation,” he said. “If you can win a medal by losing, but not by winning, that’s not a good situation to be put in.

“I totally understand why they are doing it. Now the Indonesians are doing the same but it’s not a good situation to be put in.”
 
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Check this out.... Group B Has india, japan and chinese tapai.... India defeated chinese tapai.... Chinese tapai defeated japan.... So japan and chinese tapai got in next round even when india came 2nd after japan.... Chinese taipai 3rd in table after india. idiotic rules.... Chinese taipai the most lowest rank team while indian team who got kicked out by idiotic rules is one of top team.... Sometime i think olympics is just a tool to insult some countries....
 
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And yet by banning the players they admit no wrong. Easy way out for them, I guess.
 
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London Olympics 2012: were the badminton players too stupid even to pretend they were trying?


By Tom Chivers Sport Last updated: August 1st, 2012

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I can see why the South Korean and Chinese badminton players might want to lose their match. It's a quirk of the group-stage format that sometimes coming first is a handicap: Spain must have felt that in the recent European Championships, when by winning their group they got France instead of England. (Not that France were that great either, or that it mattered in the end, but I imagine it was annoying. So it makes perfect sense, if a loss in your last game would set you up for an easier route to the final, to lose if you can.
 
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@monk no players got banned yet and they wont.... Decision will come in 20minutes.... They will get away because alot of money comes from china, south korea, japan. China already in touch.... So they might get away. Formatt is totaly wrong and that forces teams to cheat.... By the way the news is all around the world. Its top headline. They not even saying south korea. They giving headline that china brought shame to olympics.... Brits are the best planners.... They did it yet again. America is master of brits. So brits will shake hand with china but will stab their back.... Remember always that india and china is enemy but our real enemy is the brits.... They did tried in past to harm china. Players did cheated but they cheated due to wrong formatt. Brits snatched a medal hope from indian boxer in day light robbing.... Thats brits evil brain power. Asia's real enemy is brits....
 
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Is there an official rule that such game throwing is not allowed? And since when the spirit of the Olympic games is not about winning, money and commerce? May be they should ban professional athletes, start handicapping the players according to their height, weight and hours holding a job etc. And no more singing the songs to celebrate the medalists, instead sing the songs to all participants instead.
 
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@monk no players got banned yet and they wont.... Decision will come in 20minutes.... They will get away because alot of money comes from china, south korea, japan. China already in touch.... So they might get away. Formatt is totaly wrong and that forces teams to cheat.... By the way the news is all around the world. Its top headline. They not even saying south korea. They giving headline that china brought shame to olympics.... Brits are the best planners.... They did it yet again. America is master of brits. So brits will shake hand with china but will stab their back.... Remember always that india and china is enemy but our real enemy is the brits.... They did tried in past to harm china. Players did cheated but they cheated due to wrong formatt. Brits snatched a medal hope from indian boxer in day light robbing.... Thats brits evil brain power. Asia's real enemy is brits....


They are not banned from the sport, however, they are disqualified from further competitions in this Olympic. I'm not saying the players are right but the IOC has to take some kind of responsibility because they have a system of awarding losers, and that's against the principle of the competitive Olympic sports.
 
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Olympics: Games shine light on badminton intrigue
AFP NewsBy Talek Harris | AFP News – 43 minutes ago
Suspicious injuries, sudden illnesses and patently playing to lose -- match-throwing has a long history in badminton, but the London Olympics format made this an accident waiting to happen.
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Seasoned observers are wearily familiar with the tricks pulled to avoid a difficult opponent or a team-mate, either to avert the chance of injury or boost a ranking.

The practice, they say, goes back decades. But the unusual group system at the London Olympics, where players can avoid tough quarter-finals by not finishing top, opened the competition up to manipulation.


"It was clear what was going to happen because so many people pointed out how the rules could be bent," said former Olympic silver medallist Gail Emms.

Four women's doubles pairs were disqualified from the London Olympics Wednesday after group matches that were so lamentable they were booed off court.

Chinese top seeds Yu Yang and Wang Xiaoli were among the eight who were seen deliberately serving into the net and hitting the shuttlecock out. In one match, none of the rallies was longer than four shots.

"What happened clearly brought sport into disrepute. It was shameful. It's the worst thing I've seen in 30 years," said veteran BBC TV commentator David Mercer.

For fans, the scenes were not so surprising.

At last year's Singapore Open, Chinese great Lin Dan incensed a packed crowd when he withdrew from his final against compatriot Chen Jin, citing illness.

At the Thomas and Uber Cup in May, Chinese head coach Li Yongbo hit out when two Indonesian singles players handed out walkovers in their last group matches, after their team had already qualified.

"The media only talk about it when it's China's players," grumbled Li.

They are among innumerable examples of sharp practice on the badminton circuit -- including many involving China, the sport's dominant power.

Some players argue that the London eight should not be blamed, but were simply taking advantage of the group format, which was re-introduced for the London Olympics after a gap of 16 years.

"I don't actually blame the players at all for what happened. They were only playing the system that was put in place," said Britain's Emms.

"It was the new system that was wrong. The BWF (Badminton World Federation) was warned about it, but they decided to introduce it for the Olympics, of all occasions."

Sources say badminton's Olympic status has been at risk in recent years after highly divisive internal politics which reportedly brought a private warning from the International Olympic Committee (IOC).

The scandal is likely to force the BWF to scrap the Olympic group format and tighten up its disciplinary system, they say.

But the Olympic body's spokesman said it was a "long, long, long away" from considering badminton's future in the Games, which dates back to 1992.

"Clearly the IOC will be looking at what actions they take, but we fully support them and we know they have our support," he said.

Badminton was also embroiled in controversy last year, when it tried to force women's players to wear skirts or dresses to boost audiences, before scrapping the move after complaints it was sexist.
 
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the only people that should be expelled from the games are those London Olympic official who implemented this trash system.athletes are innocent,they just played based on this stupid rule.
 
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Olympic diary: Badminton farce was down to flaky format


Dan Jones

02 August 2012

Apparently in Olympic badminton the best way to win is to lose on purpose. Someone should have told Great Britain, who approached the competition in the traditional way and found that they were all eliminated before the knockout stages.

Seriously, though, it’s easy to criticise the sportsmanship of the Chinese, South Korean and Indonesian teams who allegedly tried to game the Games by deliberately playing badly to secure an easier run to the final. But the real fault lies with the competition organisers for introducing a round-robin format. In pure knockout contests, losing on purpose gets you nowhere. It also removes the point of tactical failure. You lose, you go home: that’s how sport should work.
 
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Put badminton blame on Olympic officials
Billy Byler | Wed, Aug. 1 5:28 PM

Eight badminton players were kicked out of Olympic competition today after being accused of intentionally losing matches.

There’s something wrong about this, and the players aren’t the ones worthy of criticism.

Apparently the four-member disciplinary committee of the Badminton World Federation (yes, there is such a thing) doesn’t quite understand a term called strategy. It’s something players in any sport use to try to reach their ultimate goal. Sometimes the correct strategy includes giving a not-so-good effort. Intentionally playing poorly or breaking a rule happens all the time in sports and is widely accepted - except, apparently, in this instance of Olympic badminton.

Perhaps we need a specific example. Ever watch a basketball game? When Augusta State is down by two and USC Aiken has the ball with 10 seconds left and the shot clock off, what does Jaguars head coach Dip Metress instruct his players to do? They foul. That’s right. They intentionally do something they’re not supposed to do. Why? Because - at that particular point in the game - accepting the designated punishment of fouling an opponent is the correct strategy to take. USC Aiken gets a trip to the free throw line (that’s the consequences of committing a foul), but Augusta State then has at least a shot at getting the ball back.

It doesn’t just happen in basketball. Quarterbacks will throw an intentional incomplete pass during a game. They sometimes don’t even coming close to completing the pass. In fact, sometimes they just throw it directly on the ground as soon as they get it. They’re not even trying! Why? Because the consequences of an incomplete pass are worth taking to stop the clock - in some circumstances.

The real problem in this badminton fiasco does not center on the players. The issue came because of the pool-play format used this year in the early rounds of badminton competition. Doubles teams are placed in groups and the teams within each group play each other. The teams with the best record after pool play get to advance. The Chinese team had already won enough games to advance heading into their final pool play game so they apparently saved their energy for the elimination rounds.

“If we’re not playing the best, it’s because it doesn’t matter,” Yu Yang told journalists in London. “The most important thing is the elimination match.”

It sounds to me like these badminton players weren’t trying to give up on a gold medal. They were strategically saving their energy in the same way that Michael Phelps strategically doesn’t try to break a world record in a qualifying heat, knowing that he only needs a certain time to get into the finals. He saves his energy in early competition in order to bring his best effort in the medal races.

International Olympic Committee vice president Craig Reedie, a former badminton executive himself, emphasized the need for competitive spirit.

“Sport is competitive,” Reedie told the AP. “If you lose the competitive element, then the whole thing becomes a nonsense."

In my opinion, these players who threw the games did so with the utmost of competiveness. They were trying to win a gold medal.

Instead of kicking out these world-class athletes, the badminton bigwigs need simply to change the flawed rules. That’s what happened several years ago in baseball. With a runner on first and one out, infielders were intentionally dropping pop ups in hopes of turning an easy double play (the runner on first had to stay near the bag because of the tag up rule). Baseball officials didn’t fault the infielders. They came up with the infield fly rule.


A rule change in college football several years ago required the clock to start on a kickoff before the receiving team touched the ball. Nearing the end of the first half, the kicking team (I think it was Wisconsin) just wanted to get to halftime so it intentionally kicked the ball out of bounds several times in a row. I can’t find the details of this game online, but I remember Penn State’s Joe Paterno being absolutely livid about the abuse of the new timing rule. The kicking team wasn’t punished. The NCAA simply changed the rule.

And don’t even get me started on playoff-bound NFL teams intentionally resting starters in Week 17 before they head into the postseason. This is intentional, and it’s strategy. Sometimes it works. Sometimes it doesn't. But what could be more competitive?

So don’t fault these badminton players for trying to reach the medal round in the best possible scenario, even if it requires an inferior effort at times. Of course, it's too late now for the players who have been kicked out. But if the badminton officials don’t want to see this happen again, they can change the rules. They’ve got four years to get right.



Don’t Blame Badminton Players For Throwing Matches. Blame The Sport’s Crappy System.
Barry Petchesky
Aug 1, 2012 11:35 AM

Four teams of women—two from South Korea, one from China, one from Indonesia—were kicked out of the Olympics after they all attempted to lose their matches in the group stage. It was a farce, bringing boos from the crowd and condemnation from the Olympic and badminton communities. Yet the fault lies not with the teams, who were trying to give themselves better chances at gold, but with the Olympic format that encouraged them to take a dive.


In past Olympics, badminton used a pure knockout stage. Lose and go home. But this year saw a change, in which round-robin group play would decide the seedings for the quarterfinal round. The top-ranked Chinese team of Wang Xiaoli and Yu Yang naturally wanted to end up on the opposite side of the bracket as their second-ranked countrymen. And they came into yesterday's match against South Korea knowing they'd have to lose to make that happen. So they tried their best to lose—and so did their opponents. Later on, another South Korean time also tried to throw their match, to avoid meeting the top-ranked Wang and Yu in the next round—and so did their opponents.

See the distinction here? These teams weren't trying to lose to make money. They were trying to lose so that they could ultimately win. That's the Olympic spirit of competition if I ever saw it.

Yet the Badminton World Federation decided that all eight players violated the code of conduct, specifically "not using one's best efforts to win a match" and "conducting oneself in a manner that is clearly abusive or detrimental to the sport."

Nothing, not even deliberately sending the shuttlecock into the net or out of bounds, is as detrimental to the sport as the new tournament format that all but demands players take dives in order to better their draw. It was so obvious that former British badminton star Gail Emms told the Independent that everyone knew it was going to happen beforehand:

"This point was raised in the lunchtime manager's meeting," she said. "All the managers got together with the referee and said, 'look, this has happened, in Group D you will find some very dodgy matches going on in the evening because of it' and the referee laughed and said 'oh don't be silly'.

"And the managers said 'we know the game, we know the players and we know the teams and we know this is going to happen."

She added: "Badminton, in the Olympics and in all tournaments across the circuit, it's never played in a group stage, it's always a straight knockout system and for some reason they decided that the Olympic Games in 2012 should be this group stages.

"And as soon as heard that I went 'it's going to bring up match fixing', that was my first thought, and lo and behold last night that is exactly what happened."

So the system is fatally flawed, yet we're going to punish the athletes who work within it to maximize their chances of success? This is no different than pro teams tanking to get a better draft pick. The absolute worst you can accuse the Badminton Eight of is not doing a good enough job of pretending like they were trying. They're being punished not for embarrassing the sport, but for failing to prevent the sport from embarrassing itself. They failed on that count.
 
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Is there an official rule that such game throwing is not allowed?
There are no such rules.

And since when the spirit of the Olympic games is not about winning, money and commerce?
Athletes should care about winning. The Olympics is not the World games. In the Olympics, you represents your country. In the World games where the title 'World Champion' is thrown about, you represent yourself. In either case, you SHOULD strive to win no matter who is your opponent at the moment. It should not matter if your opponent is a fellow countryman or from another country. That is the true spirit of an honorable contestant. Let someone else worry about money and commerce since that is what they are good at. Let you win whatever it is that you are good at.

I guess that is too difficult to grasp by judging how many are trying to justify what happened.
 
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