From The Vault
- Thread starter fatman17
- Start date
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas Shaheed, NH
He was born on 17 February 1951. He was commissioned as a pilot in Pakistan Air Force in 1971. On 20 August 1971 Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas was to takeoff on a routine training flight when his Instructor Pilot forced him from the... (1) https://t.co/LfFmkGMNUW
He was born on 17 February 1951. He was commissioned as a pilot in Pakistan Air Force in 1971. On 20 August 1971 Pilot Officer Rashid Minhas was to takeoff on a routine training flight when his Instructor Pilot forced him from the... (1) https://t.co/LfFmkGMNUW
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
rear cockpit, seized control of the aircraft and took off. When Rashid Minhas realized that the absconding pilot was heading towards India, he tried to regain control of the plane but was unable to do so. (2)
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
Knowing that it meant certain death, he damaged the controls and forced the aircraft to crash thirty-two miles short of the border.(3)
#OurMartyrsOurHeroes #OurMartyrsOurPride #ISPR #PakistanArmy
#OurMartyrsOurHeroes #OurMartyrsOurPride #ISPR #PakistanArmy
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
Today Shahadaat Aniversary of a Shaheed Hero of #PakistanArmy & SSG .
Lt Col Haroon Islam embraced Shahadat on 7-7-7 ( 7 July 2007)during Lal Masjid Ops.
He was awarded with second highest award Hilal e Jurat.
My close friend & Coursemate.
#tuesdayvibes
#MadeInPakistan https://t.co/B00ockp96N
Lt Col Haroon Islam embraced Shahadat on 7-7-7 ( 7 July 2007)during Lal Masjid Ops.
He was awarded with second highest award Hilal e Jurat.
My close friend & Coursemate.
#tuesdayvibes
#MadeInPakistan https://t.co/B00ockp96N
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
circa September 1965
an 8 Baloch JCO is pictured holding a captured 7.62mm SLR in the aftermath of combat in Chhamb-Jaurian; the unit had spearheaded the Pakistani advance in the audacious Operation Grandslam.
the photographer is a young Captain Taimoor Ali. https://t.co/XwR4IQwZNE
an 8 Baloch JCO is pictured holding a captured 7.62mm SLR in the aftermath of combat in Chhamb-Jaurian; the unit had spearheaded the Pakistani advance in the audacious Operation Grandslam.
the photographer is a young Captain Taimoor Ali. https://t.co/XwR4IQwZNE
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
As fate would have it, Major Taimoor Ali, serving as a company commander with 39 Baloch in the East, deployed in general area Feni-Chaudagram, would go missing believed killed in action with effect from 11 December 1971 - a fate shared by many more, who rest far away from home. https://t.co/lXGY4aUJAI
aliyusuf
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- May 2, 2010
- Messages
- 1,383
- Reaction score
- 6
- Country
- Location
Isn't the second pic is that of Major Ziauddin Abbasi shaheed?
Cuirassier
FULL MEMBER
- Joined
- Nov 15, 2017
- Messages
- 1,218
- Reaction score
- 10
- Country
- Location
Oui
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
^
*The Days of Officers and Gentlemen!*
Just after the 1965 War, AM Nur Khan sent his plane to pick up AM Arjan Singh (Indian Air Chief) and fly him to Air Force House Peshawar for afternoon tea and dinner!
He also invited their common teacher Mr. Catchpole who was mediator at the dinner table while they argued over the war. *Days of simplicity, austerity and pure professionalism.*
^
*The Days of Officers and Gentlemen!*
Just after the 1965 War, AM Nur Khan sent his plane to pick up AM Arjan Singh (Indian Air Chief) and fly him to Air Force House Peshawar for afternoon tea and dinner!
He also invited their common teacher Mr. Catchpole who was mediator at the dinner table while they argued over the war. *Days of simplicity, austerity and pure professionalism.*
^
fatman17
PDF THINK TANK: CONSULTANT
- Joined
- Apr 24, 2007
- Messages
- 32,563
- Reaction score
- 98
- Country
- Location
1965 Indo-Pak War; Enemy's Views.
For all who think in their infinite wisdom, that Our Army cannot justify its proclaimed achievements in 1965 War; here are excerpts of an Indian writer R. D. Pradhan which uncovers the details of what actually happened on the Indian side, thereby, giving very clearly and emphatically the true and unbiased dimension of 'WHAT OUR HEROES ACHIEVED FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND DURING THE 1965 WAR'
PAKISTAN ARMY COULD BE AT THE GATES OF DELHI IN SEPT1965? AN INDIAN BOOK
"...a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter, allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance."
1965 WAR-The Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan
As Pakistanis honor the memory of their 1965 War heroes on Defense of Pakistan Day today, let us review some snippets of how the war looked from the other side.
R.D. Pradhan and General Harbakhsh Singh were both insiders who participated in the 1965 India-Pakistan war. While Pradhan was a civilian working for Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan, General Harbakhash Singh was commanding Indian troops on the front-lines. Both have written books drawing upon their first-hand knowledge of how the war started, unfolded and ended in September, 1965.
In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic" of his book "1965 War-The Inside Story", R.D. Pradhan describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When Pakistan Defense Forces counter-attacked the intruding Indian military and the general was fired upon on Sept 6, 1965, he "ran away". Here's an excerpt:
"On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga (Nissan P60 Jeep) to the battlefront, Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running.
Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved?
Niranjan Prasad had no answer."
Chapter 12 of Pradhan's book is titled "Retreat to Beas" in which there is detailed discussion of Indian COAS's proposal for the Indian Army to retreat behind Beas in the face of Pakistan's fierce counter-attacks after India's attempted incursion in Lahore.
Pradhan argues in this chapter that during the 1965 war with Pakistan, Indian COAS General Chaudhuri feared that "a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance".
Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads:
Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.
In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, according to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only "did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged.
The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal ( BRB Canal) fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation".
According to Shekhar Gupta, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan.
Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.
Beyond the Indian insiders quoted above, here is how several non-Pakistani journalists have covered the war:
The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:
"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.
"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"
"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."
In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:
"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".
USA - Aviation week - December 1968 issue:
"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.
India was the first to accept UN sponsored ceasefire (page 100 of RD Pradhan's book) followed by Pakistan which brought the war to an end on Sept 22, 1965. As the ceasefire took effect, Indian Defense Y.B. Chavan wrote in his diary as follows:
"The ball is now in the political court again--where it should be--and not in the military one. I hope we have the vision and courage to (our) political leadership."
Alas, the core issue of Kashmir still remains unresolved 48 years since Mr. Chavan wrote his words of wisdom.
Pakistan Zindabad.
For all who think in their infinite wisdom, that Our Army cannot justify its proclaimed achievements in 1965 War; here are excerpts of an Indian writer R. D. Pradhan which uncovers the details of what actually happened on the Indian side, thereby, giving very clearly and emphatically the true and unbiased dimension of 'WHAT OUR HEROES ACHIEVED FOR THEIR MOTHERLAND DURING THE 1965 WAR'
PAKISTAN ARMY COULD BE AT THE GATES OF DELHI IN SEPT1965? AN INDIAN BOOK
"...a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter, allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance."
1965 WAR-The Inside Story by R.D. Pradhan
As Pakistanis honor the memory of their 1965 War heroes on Defense of Pakistan Day today, let us review some snippets of how the war looked from the other side.
R.D. Pradhan and General Harbakhsh Singh were both insiders who participated in the 1965 India-Pakistan war. While Pradhan was a civilian working for Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan, General Harbakhash Singh was commanding Indian troops on the front-lines. Both have written books drawing upon their first-hand knowledge of how the war started, unfolded and ended in September, 1965.
In Chapter 8 titled "Of Cowardice and Panic" of his book "1965 War-The Inside Story", R.D. Pradhan describes the cowardice of Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad, the Indian general commanding officer in Lahore sector. When Pakistan Defense Forces counter-attacked the intruding Indian military and the general was fired upon on Sept 6, 1965, he "ran away". Here's an excerpt:
"On learning that, Lt. Gen. Harbakash Singh and the corps commander drove in a Jonga (Nissan P60 Jeep) to the battlefront, Army commander found that the enemy (PAF) air attack had created a havoc on G.T. Road. (Indian) Vehicles were burning and several vehicles of 15 Division abandoned on the road, the drivers having run away, leaving some of the engines still running.
Maj. Gen. Niranjan Prasad was hiding in a recently irrigated sugar cane field. As described by Harabakash Singh: "He (Prasad) came out to receive us, with his boots covered with wet mud. He had no head cover, nor was he wearing any badges of his rank. He had stubble on his face, not having shaved." Seeing him in such a stage, Harbakhash Singh asked him: "Whether he was the General Officer commanding a division or a coolie? Why had he removed badges of rank and not shaved?
Niranjan Prasad had no answer."
Chapter 12 of Pradhan's book is titled "Retreat to Beas" in which there is detailed discussion of Indian COAS's proposal for the Indian Army to retreat behind Beas in the face of Pakistan's fierce counter-attacks after India's attempted incursion in Lahore.
Pradhan argues in this chapter that during the 1965 war with Pakistan, Indian COAS General Chaudhuri feared that "a major battle the west of the Beas would end in the destruction of the Indian Army and thereafter allow the enemy (Pakistani) forces to push to the gates of Delhi without much resistance".
Pradhan's book contains many different entries by Indian Defense Minister Y.B. Chavan. A Sept 9, 1965 entry reads:
Had a very hard day on all fronts. Very fierce counter-attacks mounted and we are required to withdraw in Kasur area. COAS was somewhat uncertain of himself. I suggested to him that he should go in forward areas so that he will be in touch of realities. He said he would go next day.
In Line of Duty: A Soldier Remembers, according to Shekhar Gupta, the editor of Indian Express, Lt Gen Harbakhsh Singh reveals that not only "did Gen Chowdhury play a very small role in the entire campaign, he was so nervous as to be on the verge of losing half of Punjab to Pakistan, including the city of Amritsar. Harbakhsh describes, in clinical detail, how our own offensive in the Lahore sector had come unhinged.
The general commanding the division on Ichchogil canal ( BRB Canal) fled in panic, leaving his jeep, its wireless running and the briefcase containing sensitive documents that were then routinely read on Radio Pakistan during the war. Singh wanted to court martial him, Chowdhury let him get away with resignation".
According to Shekhar Gupta, Harbkhash Singh recounts that a bigger disaster struck a bit to the south where the other division cracked up in assault, just as it encountered a bit of resistance. Several infantry battalions, short on battle inoculation, deserted and Singh gives a hair-raising account – and confirmation of a long-debated rumor – that Chowdhury panicked so badly he ordered him to withdraw to a new defensive line behind the Beas, thereby conceding half of Punjab to Pakistan.
Singh describes the conversation with Chowdhury at Ambala where he refused to carry out the order, asking his chief to either put it down in writing or visit the front and take charge of the battle.
Beyond the Indian insiders quoted above, here is how several non-Pakistani journalists have covered the war:
The London Daily Mirror reported in 1965:
"There is a smell of death in the burning Pakistan sun. For it was here that India's attacking forces came to a dead stop.
"During the night they threw in every reinforcement they could find. But wave after wave of attacks were repulsed by the Pakistanis"
"India", said the London Daily Times, "is being soundly beaten by a nation which is outnumbered by four and a half to one in population and three to one in size of armed forces."
In Times reporter Louis Karrar wrote:
"Who can defeat a nation which knows how to play hide and seek with death".
USA - Aviation week - December 1968 issue:
"For the PAF, the 1965 war was as climatic as the Israeli victory over the Arabs in 1967. A further similarity was that Indian air power had an approximately 5:1 numerical superiority at the start of the conflict. Unlike the Middle East conflict, the Pakistani air victory was achieved to a large degree by air-to-air combat rather than on ground. But it was as absolute as that attained by Israel.
India was the first to accept UN sponsored ceasefire (page 100 of RD Pradhan's book) followed by Pakistan which brought the war to an end on Sept 22, 1965. As the ceasefire took effect, Indian Defense Y.B. Chavan wrote in his diary as follows:
"The ball is now in the political court again--where it should be--and not in the military one. I hope we have the vision and courage to (our) political leadership."
Alas, the core issue of Kashmir still remains unresolved 48 years since Mr. Chavan wrote his words of wisdom.
Pakistan Zindabad.
Similar threads
- Article
