French Presidential and Legislative Elections 2017-News and Updates

[AUz]

I dont see Fillon winning now (compared to whatever slim chance he had before when this stuff started). At least the French system will have no vote splitting phenomenon....final round is 1v1 ...I'm sure bush senior would have wanted that in 1992 hehe.

Oh boy...

Le Pen seems to be in charge now. If she wins and fulfill her promises...Europe will disintegrate again as France/UK pulls out of EU.

Fun times ahead

 

[LA se Karachi]

I dont see Fillon winning now (compared to whatever slim chance he had before when this stuff started).

Agreed. I don't see how he makes it to the second round, even if he isn't put on trial. He's been tainted far too much by this scandal.

I think he should be replaced as the candidate for The Republicans. There's nothing to lose. Any candidate would have a better chance of winning, at this point. Such a switch may not get them into the second round. But why not try? There's no point in going down with the sinking ship that Fillon's candidacy has unexpectedly turned into.

At least the French system will have no vote splitting phenomenon....final round is 1v1

Well, I prefer instant-runoff voting. It allows all choices to be evaluated fairly by the voters, and takes away the need for "strategic voting" that can skew elections.

I'm sure bush senior would have wanted that in 1992 hehe.

Well, I still think Clinton would have won. There was a big desire for change in 1992 after so many Republican wins followed Johnson in 1964.

However, you're definitely correct that the election would have been closer. Much closer.

 

[Nilgiri]

Well, I still think Clinton would have won. There was a big desire for change in 1992 after so many Republican wins followed Johnson in 1964.

However, you're definitely correct that the election would have been closer. Much closer.

Yah im sure Clinton would have still won too....but Bush's chances would have increased to the point it became an actual contest. Perot took serious critical amounts of votes away from him in the end...for like next to no actual shot at the presidency.

Well, I prefer instant-runoff voting. It allows all choices to be evaluated fairly by the voters, and takes away the need for "strategic voting" that can skew elections.

For sure. This prevents exactly what you said and also the most accurate system in the end. Does any country you know use this system btw (for actual direct public voting of head of govt/state...I know Australia does so for their lower house which is effectively about the same thing)?

If I had to guess I would say Switzerland (given they vote by cantons and there is rotation in their official leadership anyway)...but I am not sure.

IRV I believe will come to Ontario soon at municipal level.

 

[Nilgiri]

Vote for Kat?

Kat has good policies. 18 hour grace period for naps every day. That is all.

I like limited govt, so you have my vote

 

[LA se Karachi]

Yah im sure Clinton would have still won too....but Bush's chances would have increased to the point it became an actual contest. Perot took serious critical amounts of votes away from him in the end...for like next to no actual shot at the presidency.

True.

For sure. This prevents exactly what you said and also the most accurate system in the end. Does any country you know use this system btw (for actual direct public voting of head of govt/state...I know Australia does so for their lower house which is effectively about the same thing)?

If I had to guess I would say Switzerland (given they vote by cantons and there is rotation in their official leadership anyway)...but I am not sure.

I believe Ireland does too for its Presidential elections.

IRV I believe will come to Ontario soon at municipal level.

That's good news. It's obviously most useful in elections with many different candidates. France could benefit from such a system in this election.

Kat has good policies. 18 hour grace period for naps every day. That is all.

A six hour workday? You already have my vote.

 

[Louiq XIV]

I also think Fillon won't make it and "les républicains" trapped themselves.

I think he should be replaced as the candidate for The Republicans. There's nothing to lose. Any candidate would have a better chance of winning, at this point. Such a switch may not get them into the second round. But why not try? There's no point in going down with the sinking ship that Fillon's candidacy has unexpectedly turned into.

They should indeed have proposed another candidate 2 weeks ago but now they are trapped because they don't have enough time. A new candidate would need to get his 500 supporters but there is only 3 days left for that.

Well, I prefer instant-runoff voting. It allows all choices to be evaluated fairly by the voters, and takes away the need for "strategic voting" that can skew elections.

France as experimented many election systems and since the 4th Republic (we are in our 5th Republic) we hate week Executive that is why we have this 1 v 1 2nd round to be sure to have a strongly elected President who will be able to say that he talks/acts in the name of the majority (>50% by construction).

 

[Vergennes]

If she was a true French patriot,she would have changed her name to Marine Le Stylo. She's just another British agent among the others. Nobody is fooled anymore.

@LA se Karachi @Louiq XIV @Philia

So do you guys think the Le Pen vs Macron scenario is already written ?

 

[Mage]

So do you guys think the Le Pen vs Macron scenario is already written ?

It does appear so....and looking better for Macron than Le Pen.

France as experimented many election systems and since the 4th Republic (we are in our 5th Republic) we hate week Executive that is why we have this 1 v 1 2nd round to be sure to have a strongly elected President who will be able to say that he talks/acts in the name of the majority (>50% by construction).

I personally like French election system. I think it's more democratic. You must get 50%+ votes. Means you'll need to gather support from more people to be ultimately elected. While in may countries you simply win by winning more seats and a party with 30% vote can win majority seats. French system seems better if you're a democracy.

 

[LA se Karachi]

So do you guys think the Le Pen vs Macron scenario is already written ?

That's what it's looking like. I don't see how Fillon recovers from this. His faltering candidacy may also push some soft Fillon supporters into Macron's column as well, hoping to prevent a Le Pen vs. Hamon second round.

France as experimented many election systems and since the 4th Republic (we are in our 5th Republic) we hate week Executive that is why we have this 1 v 1 2nd round to be sure to have a strongly elected President who will be able to say that he talks/acts in the name of the majority (>50% by construction).

Instant runoff voting accomplishes the same thing. It pits foes against each other in match-ups, until a winner with a majority is determined:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Instant-runoff_voting


This allows the voters to rank the candidates in the order they see fit, and eliminates the need for strategic voting.

In any case, France could also use an IRV method for its first round to determine the top two candidates. And then have a proper one versus one second round later, as it does now.

 

[Taygibay]

^^^

As a voter, I'd rather have the chance to react to a surprise first turn.

It happened in France the sole time a LePen got a face to face for Prez.
The result gave a clear idea of how determined our population was to
stay away from toxic shorthand of Liberty without fraternity and equality.

We're rich enough to allow ourselves the luxury of thinking about our choices.
For which I am personally thankful!

Good day to you, Tay.

 

[Louiq XIV]

So do you guys think the Le Pen vs Macron scenario is already written ?

What is written is Le Pen winning the first round and loosing the 2nd whoever she faces in the second round.

Now I indeed think that Fillon has probably lost (but not totally written yet)

 

[Vergennes]

France approves 11 candidates for presidential race


Eleven candidates have been approved to run for French president, the country's Constitutional Council announced Saturday, a month before the vote.
The eleven received the 500-plus signatures from mayors needed to compete in the first round of the election on April 23, the council's president Laurent Fabius said.

With no candidate expected to win an outright majority at the first round, the two top contenders will go through to a decisive run-off on May 7th.

On Monday evening, five main candidates will go head-to-head in the first of three TV debates.

They are: far-right leader Marine Le Pen, centrist candidate Emmanuel Macron, Republicans nominee Francois Fillon, the Socialist Party's Benoit Hamon and Communist-backed candidate Jean-Luc Melenchon.

The other six candidates, none of whom is expected to garner over five percent, include a Trotskyist economy teacher, an anti-American nationalist convinced the European Union is an CIA-backed plot and a conspiracy theorist who has called in the past for a "thermo-nuclear corridor" between Earth and Mars.

https://www.thelocal.fr/20170318/france-approves-11-candidates-for-presidential-race

So here's the full list of candidates ;

François Fillon : The Republicans
Benoît Hamon : Socialist Party
Emmanuel Macron : En Marche!
Nicolas Dupont-Aignan : Arise France
Jean-Luc Mélenchon : Left Party
Nathalie Arthaud : Worker's struggle
Marine Le Pen : National Front
François Asselineau : UPR
Philippe Poutou : New Anti Capitalist Party
Jacques Cheminade : Solidarity and Progress
Jean Lasalle : / (Don't even know)

Also,the Green candidate,Yannick Jadot decided earlier to back Benoît Hamon so gets out of the race.

@Philia @LA se Karachi
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Meanwhile,Macron presented his Defense policies this morning,and among the other things,proposes a short and compulsory military service of 1 month to the young persons between 18 and 21 years old. This would councern about 600K persons each years. He says that he wants every young persons to experience the military life (even if shortly) and to take part in the defense spirit. He adds that in case of crisis,we would be able to mobilize additional personnels alongside the National Guard.

@Louiq XIV @Taygibay Personally,I think this is a good idea. But 1 month seems too short to me. He estimates the cost at between €2 and €3Bn each years + between €15 and €20Bn to create the needed infrastructures.

-----> https://www.challenges.fr/entrepris...marche-de-macron-analyse-et-decryptage_461309

 

[Taygibay]

Y avait qu'à pas l'enlever en 98 déjà! ^^^
[ So why did we stop less than 20 years ago? ]

As for the elections, if I understood the process :
Je vote Le Pen au premier tour passeke ça compte pas
et ensuite n'importe qui sauf passeke L'heure est Loire
... euh, non, passeke l'Eure est grave, pardon!

So I vote Le Pen in the First round as
it's just for kicks and then anyone but? ​

Perso, je voterais bien NACP passeke les poutous,
c'est doux surtout les gros ( Est-il obèse le Philippe? )!

Untranslatable joke about that candidate
whose name means Hugs&Kisses in slang.​

Mais avant, j'aimerais savoir ce qu'il est advenu de
l'Ancien Parti Anti_Capitaliste! Ont-ils fait faillite?

So wait, then what happened to the Old Anti-
Capitalist party? Did they go bankrupt or what?​

Keep smiling and good day all, surtout Gab, Tay.

Tay transl.​

 

[Vergennes]

Y avait qu'à pas l'enlever en 98 déjà! ^^^
[ So why did we stop less than 20 years ago? ]

"Défaire et refaire".

 

[Blue Marlin]

so @Vergennes @Taygibay who are the candidates, and what's their stance (left/right wing)