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France workers sacked for fasting!!!

Irrelavant .. Understand the context before flying off your handle.. Pakistan and Saudi which themselves are not secular countries, cant demand secular rights for muslims in other countries.. You cant demand something that you yourself dont provide...

Yeah its kinda like North Koreans complaining about the lack of democratic rights in America. Non-Secular countries and people have no moral ground or right to complain.

Just saying hey your country is secular and mine is not, therefore you can't question and compare with me on secularism, is not a good enough excuse

Who is stopping you from making your country secular?
 
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Nicole Varet, an aide to the mayor, said the decision to dismiss the four employees had been influenced by an incident three years ago in which a fasting camp worker had been taken ill while driving, resulting in an accident in which a child was seriously injured.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/199539-france-workers-sacked-fasting.html#ixzz22J83qm80


As the rant has already started , why dont our muslim friends on this forum think that the 4 people were muslim before they got the job. So I dont see a racial discrimination here... It might have been a perfect excuse here as the above bolded part states!!
Its usually the Muslims from Turkey , Algeria and S. African countries (and one S. Asian country , guess which ;) )that gives out abt being discriminated against.
If you dont like the EU (christian countries) why DONT they leave it and return to their safe heavens? Hence Problem Sorted
 
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Who cares? Are any minorities being suppressed from their worship?


You guys won't even allows Muslims/Christians to eat cow meat. :lol:

Some preferred beef in 1947 and guess what they are running for their life everyday in Karachi. I think our Muslim brothers are better than Chinese Muslims because Indian Muslims can observe Ramadan without having beef whereas Chinese Muslims can have beef but no Ramadan.
 
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Irrelavant .. Understand the context before flying off your handle.. Pakistan and Saudi which themselves are not secular countries, cant demand secular rights for muslims in other countries.. You cant demand something that you yourself dont provide...

understand in this way, india claims to be the largest democracy, right, so it must behave in the same way, you the guys who point pakistan being non secular where as in pakistan minorities are treated properly not like making a gujrat like genocide on them, pakistan is a lot more better country for minorities than india where historical mosques are demolished and still muslims arnt guarenteed the justice, every time we see some hindus claiming the mosque land to be for temple, they are always asking for demolishing mosques, muslims arnt as hardliners as hindu extremists in india

if france cant provide secular rights for muslims, then it shouldnt claim one, and gather praise from the world alright, just like india, worlds largest democracy, every body knows what india is for minorities

Some preferred beef in 1947 and guess what they are running for their life everyday in Karachi. I think our Muslim brothers are better than Chinese Muslims because Indian Muslims can observe Ramadan without having beef whereas Chinese Muslims can have beef but no Ramadan.

and where is the link to the news that chinese muslims are prohibitted to observe ramazan?? and then question is why do we see them observing eid ul fitr prayers??
 
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by the way u are filled with hate for Muslims................

u are also a hypocrite , u are always there to criticize muslims , but there to justify others against muslims as u are here to defend french rule against muslims...........
Buddy present your comment with some solid backing. I hate Muslims, I am great fan of APJ Kalam, Gulzar Sahib, A.R. Rahman, Javed Sahib and many muslims who are my friend.

As I said earlier, If you didn't understand what I am trying to say its not my fault, its just different perceeption to view the matter in discussion.

I already said French were wrong here, what I asked is why you keep silent when other country do the same to other religion just because there is word attached to French "secular" and KSA, Pakistan, Iran is islamic. If you can make your own rules, why can't they even when they are twisted and illogical according to you.

Try to reason with rationality, not with prejudice.
 
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If there is an issue the involved persons should follow up with legal actions in accordance with French law when ever there is a legal dispute such as this.
 
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and where is the link to the news that chinese muslims are prohibitted to observe ramazan?? and then question is why do we see them observing eid ul fitr prayers??

Here from Al-Jazeera
 
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and where is the link to the news that chinese muslims are prohibitted to observe ramazan?? and then question is why do we see them observing eid ul fitr prayers??

Google is an amazing tool, learn to use it.

China restricts Ramadan fasting for Uighurs in Xinjiang - The West Australian

BEIJING (AFP) - Authorities in China's restive northwestern region of Xinjiang have banned Muslim officials and students from fasting during Ramadan, prompting an exiled rights group to warn of new violence.

A statement from Zonglang township in Xinjiang's Kashgar district said that "the county committee has issued comprehensive policies on maintaining social stability during the Ramadan period.

"It is forbidden for Communist Party cadres, civil officials (including those who have retired) and students to participate in Ramadan religious activities."

China restricts Ramadan fasting in restive Xinjiang - International - World - Ahram Online

Chinese Muslims banned from fasting in Ramadan - MuslimVillage.com | MuslimVillage.com
 
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If there is an issue the involved persons should follow up with legal actions in accordance with French law when ever there is a legal dispute such as this.
Exactly. The french Muslims openly protested against it using their rights and they will have their case in the court-of-law. Its about expecting religious tolerance from one country while not with other just because of one term associated with their nation.
 
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It seems our Indian friends have missed the point yet again. No matter how many times we explain it, it doesn't seem to register, so let me try it once again.

The basic issue here is "truth in advertising" and selective discrimination.

KSA does not claim to be a secular country; therefore, it can enact laws based on a religious foundation. We don't complain, just as we don't complain when the Vatican decides to ignore Italian federal laws and ban homosexuality and other acts in Vatican City.

China has a clear policy vis-a-vis all religions; it does not single out Muslims as compared to Christians or anyone else. One can debate the merits but, as long as the policy is consistently applied, there is no room for complaint.

France, on the other hand, claims to be a secular country, yet it has more Christian holy days as official holidays than Muslim countries do for Muslim holy days. The firing here was clearly motivated by religious bigotry. You cannot fire people for something they might do, based on your own exaggerated fears. The fact that they rehired shows they knew they were in the wrong, and that we are right in pointing out why it was wrong.



Nonsense argument. The government of Pakistan is not involved here; only Pakistani posters.

By your logic, we shouldn't hear a peep out of Indians about ANY issue in the world until India eradicates that particular issue within India itself.

it is the people of Pakistan which makes it's govt and constitution .. what we are having is a small representation of Pakistan.


it is not about what one claims and what is actually getting.. there can be mistakes .. imperfections but at least they think it's necessary that they declare their country as secular..other wise it's is injustice to the minority .

is it ok if India become a Hindu theocratic state and bans all other religions except Hindu ?

Indian Hindus can say look we are not claiming to be secular so we can ban , restrict any religion.

we can only have a Hindu prime minister .

you can't marry a Hindu girl/boy unless you convert as a Hindu ?

can all these be morally justified ?

won't that we a injustice ?



so it's a lame argument you are putting " we / they are not claiming so it's ok to do ?

if you don't even have the moral sense that your brothers from other religion also require equal statues.

my friend if you don't even feel it's a good / necessary thing to be secular then you don't have the moral right to cry .


and all I see here is selection criticism


if China, saudi, pak, and France does the same thing ,you criticise France only because French promised to be secular democratic while other countries does not even considered becoming secular democratic .. they didn't even give a chance to their citizen to be treated as equal and enjoy the freedom.

so what France did this time is wrong..

but what other theocratic, dictatorship did will not became right only because they did not provide the right in the first place ..

so bottom line is don't be hyppocratic while criticising.
 
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Who cares? Are any minorities being suppressed from their worship?


You guys won't even allows Muslims/Christians to eat cow meat. :lol:

Suppressed form getting justice , controlled their worship places , who control Sikh body? (Pak Govt.)

Will you allow Pork to be served in PAK?
 
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Nicole Varet, an aide to the mayor, said the decision to dismiss the four employees had been influenced by an incident three years ago in which a fasting camp worker had been taken ill while driving, resulting in an accident in which a child was seriously injured.

Source: http://www.defence.pk/forums/world-affairs/199539-france-workers-sacked-fasting.html#ixzz22J83qm80


As the rant has already started , why dont our muslim friends on this forum think that the 4 people were muslim before they got the job. So I dont see a racial discrimination here... It might have been a perfect excuse here as the above bolded part states!!
Its usually the Muslims from Turkey , Algeria and S. African countries (and one S. Asian country , guess which ;) )that gives out abt being discriminated against.
If you dont like the EU (christian countries) why DONT they leave it and return to their safe heavens? Hence Problem Sorted

No one would pay heed to the relevant & people feel keep on farting....
 
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There are many Hindus in Arab states, many due to the migration of Indians to the oil-rich states around the Persian Gulf.
Hindu temples have been built in Bahrain, the United Arab Emirates, Kuwait, Yemen and Oman.[/URL]

Wrong - Hindu temples are there only in UAE, Bahrain and Oman. Not sure about Yemen and completely false regarding Kuwait.

Moreover in Saudi or Kuwait if they find idols of our God in our luggage they break it, fukcing mofos. But legally they are on the right side, coz their country, their rules. And the same applies to France.

We dont kill or burn christians or massacre sikhs.....we dont put people in jail for eating meat or kill them for it........ its u guys.

Werent two guys thrashed few days before for having cool drinks during Ramadan fasting ? Regarding kill or massacre Sikhs - there are about 50K in your country..not much....People in glass houses must not throw stones at others.

Regarding the French action - that is their country...go cry a river about it.
 
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so bottom line is don't be hyppocratic while criticising.

No, bottom line is that Indians are defending anti-Muslim discrimination yet again and turning every thread into a China-bashing and Muslim-bashing session. Whatever frustrations you guys have with China, we really don't care to be dragged into your obsession.

As usual, the Indian troll brigade derails every thread with their anti-Muslim, anti-China obsession.

The topic here is a specific action in France, and I already explained about truth in advertising. If France declared itself a Christian Republic, they could enact all sorts of laws, like the Vatican, and no one could accuse them of hypocrisy.
 
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