France in Talks with Malaysia for Rafales

[he-man]

Dont forget China's rising giants. Besides, I'd support Huawei, Lenovo, Xiaomi over Samsung any day.

Yeah but care to see who makes the lcd's of those cellphones??
Btw majority also carries sony camera modules

 

[Aepsilons]

Yeah but care to see who makes the lcd's of those cellphones??

Of course, that's why I said, I support them. LOL!

ps, not only lcds, but also major chips inside them are made in the land of the rising sun.

ps #2, i hope and pray that Lenovo, Xiaomi, Huawei increase sales 500% or more.

 

[SQ8]

Be calm my friend. Last I checked Japan was still one of the world best manufacturers of heavy equipment and given they produce many of their military systems in-house I can be very assured that they are in no way declining on the manufacturing front. Mitsubishi Heavy Industries might like to have a talk with anyone that says otherwise, IHI Aerospace too. Also, South Korea has one of the world's best ship building capabilities, so no one should doubt them either.

At the same time, the point being made against the SK , Japanese cooperation is that whilst on the surface the idea of a common foe in the Chinese may seem to unite the two.. there is still underlying tension between the two over territorial disputes and there were many who suggested that while outwardly the South Korean purchase of the F-15Ks seemed to focus on North Korea and perhaps China. ..it also had a secondary effect of letting Japan know that the SK military is capable of .. especially regarding the "Dok to" islands which may have fossil fuel reserves around them.
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[SvenSvensonov]

At the same time, the point being made against the SK , Japanese cooperation is that whilst on the surface the idea of a common foe in the Chinese may seem to unite the two.. there is still underlying tension between the two over territorial disputes and there were many who suggested that while outwardly the South Korean purchase of the F-15Ks seemed to focus on North Korea and perhaps China. ..it also had a secondary effect of letting Japan know that the SK military is capable of .. especially regarding the "Dok to" islands which may have fossil fuel reserves around them.
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I was never disputing that (nor did I mentioned the South Korea - Japan dynamic other than to dispute their declining industrial prowess), the US is largely what ties them together and makes their defense cooperation possible. Beyond the Island problem you have the same dynamic which has marred the Chinese-Japanese relations; historical wrongdoing. Japan and South Korea would not jointly develop an aircraft of this type as seen with each developing their own 5th generation programs.

 

[he-man]

Of course, that's why I said, I support them. LOL!

ps, not only lcds, but also major chips inside them are made in the land of the rising sun.

ps #2, i hope and pray that Lenovo, Xiaomi, Huawei increase sales 500% or more.

Nope chips are not made in japan

 

[SQ8]

Rafale or F/A-18, Rafale or EF2000, Rafale or F-35... who gives a s***!!! Wars are no longer fought by a single system against a single system, they are fought with networked and constantly communicating systems all operating as a single unit. The USN's F/A-18s operate alongside their ships and other air assets to jointly complete their missions, often the air-force joins in as well and Army troops act as spotters calling in targets. Malaysia would get a good aircraft in the Rafale, but it doesn't matter if the rest of the equation remains unsolved and support assets aren't procured and trained to operate as a single group.

You have the right control and support measures and any system can be better than any other.

From what it looks like, the Malaysians have serious sensor disparities but the swedes did want to help them out with that.
the Su-30MKMs are good machines in both long range and close range(as long as they carry less than half their internal fuel) air combat and have great strike potential as well. What needs replacement is their Mig-29 and F-5 fleet. They also lack any force multiplier sensor systems in an AWACS and not much is knows of the sophistication of their ADGE and C3I network supporting it.

So whatever system can bridge these deficiencies with the least amount of cost whilst offering great multi role potential with the emphasis on strike. So far, the only systems to meet that criteria are the Rhino and the Rafale.

Regarding your initial comment.. whilst the single system concept is truly dead.. the ability of certain systems to operate autonomously whilst retaining the ability to provide all those support systems that previously required several system to bring into the theatre is the goal of most future air warfare idealists( Hence the joke that went around after the Growler about a AWACS Superhornet with a radome on top of it). So while the coordination of the Army, Navy and Air force is prime.. it remains a fluid concept defined by the nature of the geographic surroundings of the country. In Malaysia's case.. a strong Navy and Air Force take precedent over a strong Army.

 

[Aepsilons]

Nope chips are not made in japan

Actually, there are more than just chips, but also capacitors and "other" electronics. Inside Chinese smartphones are Japanese electronics. Hence their excellence...

Excellent user interface + excellent price = a Great sell.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinese-smartphones-lift-japans-electronics-business-1413827482

Anyways, back to the subject matter.

 

[SQ8]

Actually, there are more than just chips, but also capacitors and "other" electronics. Inside Chinese smartphones are Japanese electronics. Hence their excellence...

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinese-smartphones-lift-japans-electronics-business-1413827482

What people dont understand is that firms like Sony or Samsung dont just output complete products but also make a lot of component products that are used by other firms.Japanese firm TDK(of audio cassete fame) for e.g makes inductor coils that go into most modern cell phones today.

 

[he-man]

Actually, there are more than just chips, but also capacitors and "other" electronics. Inside Chinese smartphones are Japanese electronics. Hence their excellence...

Execllent user interface + excellent price = a Great sell.

http://online.wsj.com/articles/chinese-smartphones-lift-japans-electronics-business-1413827482

Talk of fab labs
Don't talk of lowly capacitors

Samsung and tsmc,taiwan have taken a lead in fabrication of arm based chips while intel/amd are numero uno in x86 architecture.

Where is japan??

 

[Aepsilons]

What people dont understand is that firms like Sony or Samsung dont just output complete products but also make a lot of component products that are used by other firms.Japanese firm TDK(of audio cassete fame) for e.g makes inductor coils that go into most modern cell phones today.

That's right! What blew my mind was how SONY's capacitors and SONY cameras were actually integrated in Israel's Irone Dome missiles. I didn't even know that until a student of mine sent me a youtube video link about it.

So yea, the level of integration in other sectors like military is just awing for me.

 

[he-man]

What people dont understand is that firms like Sony or Samsung dont just output complete products but also make a lot of component products that are used by other firms.Japanese firm TDK(of audio cassete fame) for e.g makes inductor coils that go into most modern cell phones today.

Yes but time has changed and japanese firms are losing the share.

Still 20 years ahead of india at least and pakistan?well let me go to my lappy for complex calculation involving big numbers

 

[SQ8]

Yes but time has changed and japanese firms are losing the share.

Still 20 years ahead of india at least

They are losing the share due to their inability to compete with the costs offered by Chinese firms and their still lacklustre participation in the lucrative defence sector. The day Japan steps into the Defence export market will be a game changer IMHO.


India is behind because it is full of Indians(Desis).. take them out of India and the country will leap 50 years ahead.

 

[Aepsilons]

Talk of fab labs
Don't talk of lowly capacitors

Samsung and taiwan have taken a lead in fabrication of arm based chips while intel/amd are numero uno in x86 architecture.

Where is japan??

Last response here before going back to subject matter!

1. Taiwan is doomed. Good bye HTC ! You know why? China and South Korea's FTA will destroy Taiwan's export edge.

2. Japan is everywhere. You may think we're not there, but we're behind the scenes.

PS. Alibaba's greatest investor is Japan's PeopleSOFT, for example.

 

[he-man]

They are losing the share due to their inability to compete with the costs offered by Chinese firms and their still lacklustre participation in the lucrative defence sector. The day Japan steps into the Defence export market will be a game changer IMHO.


India is behind because it is full of Indians(Desis).. take them out of India and the country will leap 50 years ahead.

True but the gap will only widen when(and if) india and pakistan along with other developing countries start producing too.
The wages in japan/south korea are 10 times higher than here so naturally they will feel the heat sooner or later

 

[he-man]

Last response here before going back to subject matter!

1. Taiwan is doomed. Good bye HTC ! You know why? China and South Korea's FTA will destroy Taiwan's export edge.

2. Japan is everywhere. You may think we're not there, but we're behind the scenes.

PS. Alibaba's greatest investor is Japan's PeopleSOFT, for example.

Again,,,htc is just a phone maker,it assembles the parts.
I was on to semi conductors and tsmc is one of the world's biggest

Sony used a unique cell processor in ps3 but later abandoned it.
The first Gan aesa module was made by fujitsu though

 

[Aepsilons]

Again,,,htc is just a phone maker,it assembles the parts.
I was on to semi conductors and tsmc is one of the world's biggest

Sony used a unique cell processor in ps3 but later abandoned it.
The first Gan aesa module was made by fujitsu though

You must live by the saying, "Watashi wa akiramenai"

Because you just don't give up.