Founding Day of Saudi Arabia celebrations creates much outrage from Islamists worldwide

[mike2000 is back]

So the other day I was looking at one of the most popular Islam-related Reddit pages and saw a user make a thread that contains those photos below and a lot of supposed outrage from angry Muslims from across the entire world screaming about KSA "leaving Islam" etc. and other similar nonsense. What is that about again?

Beautiful traditional clothing though, stunning Saudi Arabian/Arabian/Arab women and the cats top it all.

Now in a non-Islam related Reddit group (AskMiddleEast), most users had no problems.

https://www.reddit.com/r/AskMiddleEast/comments/11dgdzn

@The SC @hamza gareeb

Why are some many Muslims worldwide this crazy and angry whenever KSA is developing whether it is economically, socially, culturally, undergoing positive reforms, women workforce booming, educational and non-oil sector booming etc.? It is as if those lot would want every Muslim country to be ruled by some crazy Mullah's like in Iran or the Taliban in Afghanistan. What is going on? It is as if those people want KSA to remain in time as it was 1400 years ago while they have no problem with every other Muslim country doing whatever the hell they please. It is really crazy this behavior, never seen anything alike with any other Muslim country.

Interesting that you noticed this. Funny enough, I have noticed this on this forum as well long ago..in fact, it's actually funny that some even think I'm supporting KSA a little too much, simply because I say some facts about KSA that others don't seem to like(giving their bias). I was actually laughing about this over a year ago when I realised that despite not being muslim(I'm not even religious per se) I actually found myself being one of the few people to recognise the good work and leadership Saudi Authorities have been doing for their counting citizens. I have noticed that many on here are very biased against the Saudis to be honest.. I think many have a preconceived idea/image about KSA already made in their heads, coupled with their anti Western hatred/biased they tend to have a very negative view of KSA (and other gulf states to a lesser extent). This is also due to the fact that they believe that KSA and Gulf states should not be partners or allies with the West. Lol and I think there is also the fact that they are very wealthy and rich, plus KSA being the centre of Islam and origin of Arabic(most Muslim countries are even Islamic today due to Saudi/Arabic conquests influence) . So I guess there's also that bit of jealousy/resentment of thinking they are being put on a pedestal.

Anyway, I believe it doesn't matter, KSA is on a the right track, and the country is developing quite well and its citizens living a good life. You don't see any of them fleeing to the West or other countries to do menial job/seek greener pastures . So I will say they are doing far better than than most countries. Funny enough even those people whose leaders are doing way worse than Saudi Arabia are also making fun of Saudi Arabia. its like a poor walking desperately on the street striving to survive and yet making fun of a well off man driving in his Range Rover saying he could be driving a Ferrari. Such is life.

 

[Menace2Society]

Interesting that you noticed this. Funny enough, I have noticed this on this forum as well long ago..in fact, it's actually funny that some even think I'm supporting KSA a little too much, simply because I say some facts about KSA that others don't seem to like(giving their bias). I was actually laughing about this over a year ago when I realised that despite not being muslim(I'm not even religious per se) I actually found myself being one of the few people to recognise the good work and leadership Saudi Authorities have been doing for their counting citizens. I have noticed that many on here are very biased against the Saudis to be honest.. I think many have a preconceived idea/image about KSA already made in their heads, coupled with their anti Western hatred/biased they tend to have a very negative view of KSA (and other gulf states to a lesser extent). This is also due to the fact that they believe that KSA and Gulf states should not be partners or allies with the West. Lol and I think there is also the fact that they are very wealthy and rich, plus KSA being the centre of Islam and origin of Arabic(most Muslim countries are even Islamic today due to Saudi/Arabic conquests influence) . So I guess there's also that bit of jealousy/resentment of thinking they are being put on a pedestal.

Anyway, I believe it doesn't matter, KSA is on a the right track, and the country is developing quite well and its citizens living a good life. You don't see any of them fleeing to the West or other countries to do menial job/seek greener pastures . So I will say they are doing far better than than most countries. Funny enough even those people whose leaders are doing way worse than Saudi Arabia are also making fun of Saudi Arabia. its like a poor walking desperately on the street striving to survive and yet making fun of a well off man driving in his Range Rover saying he could be driving a Ferrari. Such is life.

Some of their women have been fleeing to the west and it made global headlines which probably triggered this shift. They were literally locking their women at home, weren't allowed to drive and could only go out in a tent with a chaperone.

 

[TheSolution]

Islam is the religion of the Saudis/arabs. They can practice and change it how they want. Not sure why others should have an issue. Just do as you're told.

They practice it as they want just as any other nations can, but it cannot be changed or rewritten. I don't think they will even try to do that.

Islamists in general are a bunch of low IQ extremists most of the time, and unfortunately low intellect paired with religion is destructive on several levels.

They are too invested in what other nations choose to do, rather focus on your own country.

Some of the the leftist Islamists, want everyone to shed their entire culture, history and even language to become knock-off Arabs.

In reality you have to retain your culture, history and identity. Religion is secondary and an entirely different thing to ethnic identity.

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Alt-left

What's alt left?

Like socialists, communists, and SJWs?

In reality you have to retain your culture, history and identity. Religion is secondary and an entirely different thing to ethnic identity.

Read how Orthodox Christianity was fused with Russian history and culture. They synthesized Christianity, a religion that originated in the Levant, and made it into something they own and rep.

Russia is the only religious Christian country left and is carrying the mantle for Orthodox Christianity.

If I have caused offence then I won't mention it again.

Nah you're opinions are cool, I don't get why people start chimping out whenever you give your views. I don't agree with some of it, but you do provide interesting insight.

 

[kingQamaR]

They practice it as they want just as any other nations can, but it cannot be changed or rewritten. I don't think they will even try to do that.

Islamists in general are a bunch of low IQ extremists most of the time, and unfortunately low intellect paired with religion is destructive on several levels.

They are too invested in what other nations choose to do, rather focus on your own country.

Some of the the leftist Islamists, want everyone to shed their entire culture, history and even language to become knock-off Arabs.

In reality you have to retain your culture, history and identity. Religion is secondary and an entirely different thing to ethnic identity.

Have you seen the muck Pakistan liberals tv media does these days happily promotes it in a Islamic population and does it in name of equality , I don’t know any Islamic country that has transgender.s on its day time Tv channels or news anchors. We can bash the religious believers for all our ills . As if they are holding us back. If it wasn’t for our religion & sunnah Allah gave us. Pakistan peoples would be one sick puppies where anything would go,

 

[Mirzali Khan]

Why are some many Muslims worldwide this crazy and angry whenever KSA is developing whether it is economically, socially, culturally, undergoing positive reforms, women workforce booming, educational and non-oil sector booming etc.? It is as if those lot would want every Muslim country to be ruled by some crazy Mullah's like in Iran or the Taliban in Afghanistan. What is going on? It is as if those people want KSA to remain in time as it was 1400 years ago while they have no problem with every other Muslim country doing whatever the hell they please. It is really crazy this behavior, never seen anything alike with any other Muslim country.

Result of generational adherence to strict Wahabbi/Salafist sects. KSA sees an opportunity with its youth and is catering to that so their country can become more developed and in sync.

 

[Menace2Society]

Have you seen the muck Pakistan liberals tv media does these days happily promotes it in a Islamic population and does it in name of equality , I don’t know any Islamic country that has transgender.s on its day time Tv channels or news anchors. We can bash the religious believers for all our ills . As if they are holding us back. If it wasn’t for our religion & sunnah Allah gave us. Pakistan peoples would be one sick puppies where anything would go,

When I was in Pakistan last time I saw a lot of men holding hands and transgenders knocking on doors for money That was around 25 years ago, I can imagine its got worse since then Is what it is, just have to roll with it. Pakistanis love a bit of gay action.

 

[mike2000 is back]

Some of their women have been fleeing to the west and it made global headlines which probably triggered this shift. They were literally locking their women at home, weren't allowed to drive and could only go out in a tent with a chaperone.

Wait, so you picking a couple cases of some women there not being satified with something about something in the country to say the country is bad and in wrong leadership?
Dude even in the most prosperous western countries or Japan or korea etc you can find a few cases of some of their people living elsewhere due to some greviances they have had back home. Its normal . However that doesn't hide the fact that those are isolated very rare cases, and that the vast majority of the country's citizens live a good and decent live with high living standards and dont have to risk their lives treecking in the sahara desert or drowing in the sea to reach the West for a better life or live as an illegal immigrant etc. KSA citizens dont have to go through all this suffering and if they did, then their leaders would have failed them indeed.
In fact throughout my life, i have never seen a Saudi citizen doing menial jobs here to be honest or as illegal immigrant or caught trying to illegally immigrate here in boats coming from north Africa or Calais etc. However, cant say the same for citizens of other countries in South Asia, Africa, other Middle Eastern countries, Iran etc. In fact even if a Saudi citizen wants to move abroad they can easily do so legally and they have the means to do without going through illegal means and hardships.
So obviously with this simple fact we can see which countries have a government who have perfromed better.

 

[TheSolution]

Have you seen the muck Pakistan liberals tv media does these days happily promotes it in a Islamic population and does it in name of equality , I don’t know any Islamic country that has transgender.s on its day time Tv channels or news anchors. We can bash the religious believers for all our ills . As if they are holding us back. If it wasn’t for our religion & sunnah Allah gave us. Pakistan peoples would be one sick puppies where anything would go,

Yeah I saw that, it was fucked up.

They are trying to spread poison in our society as a means of weakness and control, it's pure degeneracy.

They want to normalise and propogate LGBT.

When I was in Pakistan last time I saw a lot of men holding hands and transgenders knocking on doors for money That was around 25 years ago, I can imagine its got worse since then Is what it is, just have to roll with it. Pakistanis love a bit of gay action.

Nah it's not what it is

We need to give those Pakistanis a different kind of action

@kingQamaR I think you misunderstood my previous post, I wasn't referring to all religious people, I was referring specifically to the Islamists who combine the religion with left-wing "equality ideology", they want people to become some Arab copies, encourage race mixing, and some low IQ ones even want to worship Arabs in a way

We need the right-wing Islamist mix - that doesn't incorporate left wing equality rubbish and doesn't seek to Arabise you be destroying your culture and worship Arabs

 

[TheSolution]

Read how Orthodox Christianity was fused with Russian history and culture. They synthesized Christianity, a religion that originated in the Levant, and made it into something they own and rep.

Russia is the only religious Christian country left and is carrying the mantle for Orthodox Christianity.

In a way, don't you think Pashtuns did a good job with doing that with Islam?

Personally I think they did

 

[kingQamaR]

Yeah I saw that, it was fucked up.

They are trying to spread poison in our society as a means of weakness and control, it's pure degeneracy.

They want to normalise and propogate LGBT.


Nah it's not what it is

We need to give those Pakistanis a different kind of action

@kingQamaR I think you misunderstood my previous post, I wasn't referring to all religious people, I was referring specifically to the Islamists who combine the religion with left-wing "equality ideology", they want people to become some Arab copies, encourage race mixing, and some low IQ ones even want to worship Arabs in a way

We need the right-wing Islamist mix - that doesn't incorporate left wing equality rubbish and doesn't seek to Arabise you be destroying your culture and worship Arabs

It’s indeed more in younger generation I have noticed it myself and this vociferous portion of the young generation are the ones who are more into Arab / types. I know in some parts of Pakistan people do pay respect to dead saints-places ? The ones I mentioned don’t like this practice anymore I heard heated arguments between the groups on this I think so please forgive me, Im starting to noticing day to day lot more Pakistan men and ladies lot more wearing Arabic Juba using words to , even the tiny kids too.

 

[Maula Jatt]

My spiritual guides, guides of my ancestors
Baba Farid
Laal Shehbaaz
Rehman Baba

My literary Heroes
Bulleh Shah
Waris Shah
Allama Iqbal
Sachal Sarmast
Khushal Khan Khattak

My heroes
Ghazi Malik
Khokhars
Hurs
Rai Ahmad Khan kharal
Arshad Sharif
Aziz Bhatti
Karnal Sher Khan
Mirzali Khan
Marwesoon Marwesoon Sindh na desu -Hosh Muhammad Sheedi
and all those who defended thier lands with honor and dignity

My values - Islam, even if you are not Muslim you must follow its core values and spirit of equality for all, hospitality, honor and dignity above all else, feeding the poor before you feed yourself, values of our Sufi spiritual guides

My Dharti Maa, my motherland, my home
Pakistan and Indus that breathes life into my motherland- my love for my motherland comes before anything else

those who dont follow these values are not my people- even if they share my nationality, language etc..

Some of the the leftist Islamists, want everyone to shed their entire culture, history and even language to become knock-off Arabs.

In reality you have to retain your culture, history and identity. Religion is secondary and an entirely different thing to ethnic identity.

 

[Mustang125]

It is a global religion but it also means that it amalgamates well into different cultures and identities. Indonesia is a great example of it.

Meanwhile, subcontinent muslims HAD a distinct interpretation and implementation of Islam it not only radicalized but also adulterated to where its neither the Islam practiced in the Arab states nor does it mix well in terms of what are still hard coded cultural norms.

Both aspects means Islam is treated like salt in the subcontinent - add to taste only or not used when not wanted.

it’s also led to a massive identity crisis with the Pakistanis because they really don’t have any of their own culture to promote and push other than trying to be Arab one day or Turk or Persian the other .

Indonesia - makes a tank - calls it Harimau - local term, resonates well because they are proud of the term

Turkey - makes a Tank.. calls it Altay in honor of their hero

Pakistan - lets recycle what we know of early muslim leaders - what have you got? khalid, haider, hamza? Not like anyone in Pakistan is considered worthy of accomplishment - suffice it for the Navy and Air force to finally start naming things after local heroes.

Sir, I have been following you for years and I am a fan but here I will support my brother @Areesh even though he might hate me or even have think of me as a non Muslim for following the jaafari madhab lol but islam is not restricted to arabs, Pakistanis, iranis. It is solely wholely based on taqwa you
Might be poorer than me (doubt it lol) you might be of a different Color but if your more pious than me than that’s what matters and only Allah can judge you on that as he knows the secrets of the heart and intentions better than anyone. One stickler that I have with arabs is they had the jo or of having the final and leader of the prophets (PBUH) in which he categorically told them in his final farewell that let go of racism but we still see remnants today. Everybody has become a thekedaar of Islam in todays age, if you Iranians they will behave as if they only know Islam the whole world is ignorant as is the case with many other nations. This post was not meant to rile up anybody just a friendly discourse. Moving forward, an epithet that is commonly used for the holy prophet is Muhammade Arabi (PBUH) did the whole world know of Eid or many other tenets of Islam which were crucial? No. If somebody in Pakistan, Canada, Indonesia etc etc prays, fasts, goes on pilgrimage amongst many other things it’s because of one holy
Personality who did this in the land of Hejaz. I use Hejaz purposefully as I personally don’t believe Hejaz or Islam is the personal “jaagir” of Saudi’s as they came into being way after. I hope I haven’t offended anyone.

 

[_NOBODY_]

What's alt left?

Like socialists, communists, and SJWs?



Read how Orthodox Christianity was fused with Russian history and culture. They synthesized Christianity, a religion that originated in the Levant, and made it into something they own and rep.

Russia is the only religious Christian country left and is carrying the mantle for Orthodox Christianity.



Nah you're opinions are cool, I don't get why people start chimping out whenever you give your views. I don't agree with some of it, but you do provide interesting insight.

By Alt-left I am mainly referring to SJWs and their supporters. There are many highly respectable socialists and communists around the world, I can respect these people despite being a proud capitalist

 

[Mirzali Khan]

In a way, don't you think Pashtuns did a good job with doing that with Islam?

After Taliban takeover, there has been an increase in "fanboying" for Taliban from people of East Africa, South Asia, Arab diaspora, and converts.

There was this video Daniel H did and it talked about "something interesting in Pashto" and goes on to talk about Afghanistan's strict gender norms. This adds clout and PR to Pashtuns.

In a way I think so, but we did get a boost from it post-1979, and are getting a boost from it from the fanboying right now. The only thing with Russians is that they have framed their war in Ukraine as a "East vs West" and Putin makes speeches about the family unit, appealing to orthodox Christian values. Taliban isn't at that stage yet and shot themselves in the foot with the banning girls education episode.

On this side, Imran Khan and Pakistan in general, isn't good at PR with the akh crowd. Its why Pakistan tends to get dragged by Muslim social media more than often than other Muslim countries that do more questionable things. For example, Morocco recognized Israel and is actively working with them but the World Cup did them good in PR. Same with Turkey, they are masters at PR.