former holocaust survivor and prisoner at Auschwitz has admitted he made the story up.

[AZADPAKISTAN2009]

No one here feels one group should be singled out , the debate is the global group that sits over the communication & media networks


The argument is really

Why glorify 1 group that was 0.0001% of conflict while ignoring 99.9% people who died in these wars

The GROUP was busy collecting donation in 1850's , 1900, 1920 , 1950 ......all the way to present day, read old archives news

1850-1900 : We need donation , Russians are coming to get us --> DONATE
1910-1950: We need donations , Germany is out to get us----------> DONATE
1950 -1970: We need donations, Arabs are out to get us -----------> DONATE
1970-2000: We need donations , Communism out to get us ------> DONATE
1970-1980 : We need donations , Iran out to get us -------------------> DONATE
1990-2006 : We need donation , Iraq out to get us----------------------> DONATE
2006-2016: We need donation ,scared of Toyota Truck ---------- ----> DONATE

What kind of news the GROUP likes to promote ? Negative about about mention countries
anything negative even 1 person , that NEWS will be on front page for 1 day


THE GROUP , had successfully collected money for purpose of donation but rather to continue to buy MEDIA outlets , TV , NEWS , Book publishing , Satellite networks, Social NETWORK, Stock Manipulation (those sudden crashes )


People die in Pakistan ~ not worthy of news (IGNORE/BLACKOUT)
People die in China ~ not worthy of news (IGNORE/BLACKOUT)
People die in Syria ~ not worthy of news (IGNORE / SELECTED COVERAGE)
People die in Iraq ~ not worthy of new (IGNORE/BLACKOUT)
Poeple die in Libra ~ not worthty of news (IGNORE / SELECTED COVERAGE)
People die in Palestine ~ not worthy of news (IGNORE / NEVER LIVE COVERAGE)

1 Person killed in Israel ~ front page , on National News, full coverage , On social media hash tag, Detailed analysis of why this killing happened why this is ideological war all Muslims are killers


Now the GROUP always crys for donation - The cry is always same

"WE ARE THE VICTIMS"
"We need URGENT WEAPONS"
"We need MONEY & DONATION urgently"
"Oh we are such victims - across history"

PUMP in money for us

Remember the HOLO-COST , remember that movie that we made in 2016, 2015 , 2014, 2013 and that daily article we write in news paper we deserve all the donation and free money are such victims


Why is it that no one in USA can come to power ? unless they say the magic word ?

THE GROUP wants to listen the magic word in debate , public discussions once they hear it only then the MACHINERY , the HUMAN RESOURCE (writers, directors, book writers, analyst) start to promote that political candidate

That MAGIC word that every American (the one at lower level understand fully )

Ask any guy on street who controls the GOV people will reply THE GROUP members


If a GUY says opposite statement - the MACHINERY becomes active (THE AUTOMATIC RESPONSE)

> News anchors / reporters / Analyst start the assault with in 5-20 minutes

> People in Editor / Production roles kick in intensify news / replay over and over agains

> Next day News paper kicks in right from morning starts publishing Filth about political
candidate, night time for morning publishing

> The radio guy immediately is ready next morning to broadcast the DISLIKE of political candidate in morning news , so when Americans are going to work they will certainly hear that this person is no good , not smart , has no clue about politics

> News paper Editors have a session with their reporters and the instruction are find all the filth you can find about this political guy , affairs, missing payments , issues with neighbor , nanny issues , any fights with other people recently anything to make it a scandal. Cartoonist are asked to immediately start drawing stupid cartoons in image of the political candidate to make him look stupid

> THE GROUP's representative sends out a MEMO to all the major Media outlet under control
we need a response in next 2-3 weeks of campaign to develop a strategy to bring this
political candidate down , make the guy answer questions about Religion / Abortion /
RACE/ weapons


* So this campaign lasts for 2-6 Months to 2-3 Years as long as it takes to get the candidate
not selected

 

[That Guy]

Please watch this very well made documentary by a Jewish Holocaust denier David Cole, thoroughly debunking the event with well established facts, critical analysis, logic and foresight.

@war&peace @TMA

@That Guy There is a thing called freedom of expression and the freedom of one's own choice to accept or reject a particular historical event only by thoroughly fact checking and doing research on both sides of the coin without any predisposed biased views and or emotional blackmailing involved so it is my humble request for you to please look at any historical event purely as an academic adventure with the concept in mind to reach for the truth and not oppress one form of knowledge as mere conspiracy theories just because you were too biased to look it up, no offense attended.

I have looked it up, but there is far too overwhelming evidence to prove the holocaust happened.

http://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Holocaust_denial#Evidence_for_the_Holocaust

What holocaust deniers tend to do is use logical fallacies, post-hoc arguments, strawman arguments, ad hominems, and down right lies...etc.

It is sickening just how many people can't use simple logic, and continue to fall for such cheap and dirty tricks, relying more on emotion than fact.

@Oscar @waz @Horus @WebMaster @WAJsal Can you PLEASE shut this damn thread down now? You cannot continue to ignore the amount of racism in this thread.

There is counter narrative and it is difficult to trust anything and especially from the people who have a history of deception and lies ....whether it is their atrocities in Palestine, weapons of mass destruction, 9/11 ...people who have brains and think; do not buy the official versions of the stories anymore. Furthermore, now the so called "survivors" of the holocaust are admitting themselves, it was a lie so why do we need to believe something that has so much evidence against it?

A man said that he lied about being a survivor, that doesn't mean the event never occurred, that is a post-hoc fallacy.

You're doing nothing but trying to appeal to emotion, and using ad hominem attacks, nothing more.

People who have a brain and think, can differentiate between fact and fiction. FACT: holocaust happened. FICTION: holocaust is a lie.

This thread is exactly about that "documation" you talk about.

One of these "documentations" i.e. "survivor testimonies" turned out to be a lie.
Even his tatoo that is often claimed as another "documentation" of this narrative seemed to be fake.

The fact that another "documentation" turned out to be a complete lie, not even just an exageration, is not a conspiracy. Its an admitted fact.

And it's also well documented fact that this is not the first time a one of these "documentations" turns out to be a fraud.

So what are you upset about? That people may ask themself, if this man is an admitted liar, and those other people where admitted liars, and those other photos where fabrications, and those other photos where taken from unrelated places, and those "perpetrator testimonies" where made under torture and threats, stories lauded as "historical facts" by "the academics" yesterday and admitted as lies and of dubious nature today, what exactly and how much is even true about this "well documented" conspiracy?

post-hoc argument.

I'm not even going to try to show just how stupid your argument is, and it is very stupid.

 

[Thorough Pro]

You misunderstood. Some one mentioned that it takes 20 minutes per body and I provided the correct time with proof. by the way there are many other ways to dispose off the dead bodies. Outright denial of holocaust would be insane however the figure of million is definitely debatable

That is all fine and dandy. I even happen to be one of the people who believe that there is a lot more to 9/11 that we have not been told. However the gist of your post suggested that holocaust did not happen which I think is counterproductive. Let bygones be bygones and move on to modern times.
A

 

[TMA]

That is all fine and dandy. I even happen to be one of the people who believe that there is a lot more to 9/11 that we have not been told. However the gist of your post suggested that holocaust did not happen which I think is counterproductive. Let bygones be bygones and move on to modern times.
A

He who controls the past controls the future; he who controls the present controls the past.

George Orwell I think.

Bygones are very important to study in order to understand modern times.

 

[MastanKhan]

Joseph Goebbels:
On the "Big Lie"
Goebbels: Table of Contents | Biography | On the Jewish Question

“If you tell a lie big enough and keep repeating it, people will eventually come to believe it. The lie can be maintained only for such time as the State can shield the people from the political, economic and/or military consequences of the lie. It thus becomes vitally important for the State to use all of its powers to repress dissent, for the truth is the mortal enemy of the lie, and thus by extension, the truth is the greatest enemy of the State.”

 

[TMA]

http://www.inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2016/volume_8/number_2/the_revisionists_total_victory.php
The Revisionists' Total Victory on the Historical and Scientific Level
Robert Faurisson

In France and in the rest of the world, historians and specialists of the “Holocaust” no longer know what to answer to the revisionists’ arguments. And to speak only of my own case, which has been going on since 1978 (that is, for some thirty-seven years), never has my country’s justice system, despite the tireless requests by self-righteous associations to rule against me on the substance of my writings or statements, been able to note therein the least trace of any rashness, negligence, deliberate ignorance, falsehood, falsification or lying. My adversaries, rich and powerful though they may be, have never succeeded in getting our judges to convict me on the merits of the conclusions reached through my research work which, for over half a century, has focused on what is commonly called “the genocide of the Jews,” “the Nazi gas chambers” and “the six million (or nearly)” Jewish victims of the Third Reich. At most, after countless cases I have lost suits (whether as plaintiff or defendant) or been found guilty mainly: 1) for a malevolence, supposed but not demonstrated, towards the Jews; 2) for breaking the gayssotine(the Fabius-Gayssot or Faurisson Act, legislation of convenience specifically targeting the findings of my research); or 3) by virtue of the “good faith” (sic) of individuals like Léon Poliakov or Robert Badinter, even though found to be at fault by the judges themselves.

For years Poliakov had well and truly manipulated the writings of SS officer Kurt Gerstein (who, having “repented” (?), then committed suicide (?)), when not fabricating outright fragments of text to attribute to him. But the judges granted the presumption of good faith to Poliakov. He had been, we were told, “animated by the passionate and legitimate desire to inform the public about a period and about facts of contemporary history that were particularly tragic.” It was therefore appropriate to forgive him for having “perhaps, on minor points [sic!!!], broken scientific standards of rigor without, however, it being permissible to state that he is a manipulator or fabricator of texts.” As for Badinter, in 2006 he claimed that in 1981, when he was still barrister for the LICRA and just before becoming Minister of Justice, he had got a court to rule against me “for being a falsifier of history.” A decision of 2007 restored the truth and held that Badinter had “failed in his evidence” to demonstrate my alleged dishonesty; but, the court hastened to add, he had been in good faith. For want of both money and a lawyer (Eric Delcroix having retired – and being denied the customary honorary membership of the bar), I did not appeal and was forced to pay the Socialist millionaire the sum of €5,000 (his “costs”). But at least since then I have had the satisfaction of being able to speak of “Robert Badinter, my liar, my slanderer... in good faith.”1

An astute observer will have noted that the more our opponents sense the game is getting away from them on the historical or scientific level, the more they feel the need to increase their propagandistic drum beating, and the repression as well. In France, at this very moment, they are putting all their hopes in having Parliament pass a supergayssotine. Good for them! A few weeks short of my 87th birthday, I have six cases pending, four against me and two others that I have had to instigate, albeit quite unwillingly. Will my judges finally decide, in 2016, to leave us, my wife and me, destitute? Or are they getting ready simply to throw me into a prison of the République? It is understood beforehand, is it not, that if they were to carry things to such extremes it would only be on the grounds of the noblest républicain principles and in the name of human rights.

Manuel Valls, Prime Minister of France, has launched warlike crusades in several foreign countries that have backfired horribly for the French.
By Pierre Slamich (Own work) [CC BY-SA 3.0 (http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-sa/3.0) or GFDL (http://www.gnu.org/copyleft/fdl.html)], via Wikimedia Commons

Let’s consider our current Prime Minister. One day, Manuel Valls, in full pomposity, his mouth, heart and left hand clenched, let fly: “I am, by my wife, eternally linked to the Jewish community and Israel.” He saw himself as “eternal”: a vast program! But fervor was leading him astray. He ought to come back down to earth, reconnect with the ground, get treatment and stop deluding himself: the revisionists have, already as of now, won the match.

As early as 1983-1985, Raul Hilberg, surrendering to the arguments of “Faurisson and others...” had to drop the pretense of explaining, on the basis of valid arguments and documents of his own, that the Third Reich had, with proper Germanic efficiency, designed, prepared, developed, organized and financed the killing of millions of European Jews. The eminent Jewish-American historian ended up finding himself reduced to trying to have us believe that this gigantic massacre had come about by the operation of the Holy Spirit or, in his words, by “an incredible meeting of minds, a consensus-mind reading within a large bureaucracy”2 that had, on its own, spontaneously decided, it seemed, gradually to abandon written communication in favor of verbal or indeed telepathic exchange to such an extent that no written or material evidence bespoke the six million Jews (or, in Hilberg’s estimation, a bit fewer) having been systematically killed either on the Eastern Front or in the gas chambers, mainly at Auschwitz.

A number of historians or researchers, such as Arno Mayer, Jean-Claude Pressac and Robert Jan van Pelt, have also capitulated, in a more frank and direct manner. The first has had to admit, among other bitter observations, that “Sources for the study of the gas chambers are at once rare and unreliable.”3 The second, a protégé of the Klarsfeld couple, came to understand that the dossier of the official story of the Jews’ extermination, “rotten” with too many lies, was bound for “the rubbish bins of history.”4 The third has concluded that “Ninety-nine per cent of what we know [about Auschwitz] we do not actually have the physical evidence to prove;”5 despite this, millions of visitors there have been and continue to be shown a “gas chamber” said to be in its “original state,” as well as ruins of other alleged “gas chambers.” As for the figure of “six million,” never subjected to the least scientific verification, it is rooted in the most sordid of realities: an old American publicity slogan used already before 1900 and up to the end of the Second World War to collect a windfall of cash especially from the Jewish community.6 The searing words amounted to the cry “Six million of our brothers are dying in Europe [by the acts, according to circumstance, of Poland, the Balkan countries, Tsarist Russia, National-Socialist Germany...]; we await your money for the victims of this holocaust [sic already in 1919]!”

Manuel Valls, our prime minister, and François Hollande, president of our Republic, devote themselves to launching, in several foreign countries, warlike crusades of the kind that have backfired horribly for us French this year. On top of their foreign wars, conducted in the most cowardly as well as the most comfortable conditions, they instill an atmosphere of internecine war at home. They call “cowards” certain enemies who, after all, are inspired on a grand scale by the example of our gloriousRésistants: “Hey, killers with the bullet and the knife, kill quickly!”

If François Hollande has the stature of a pedalo [paddle-boat — Ed.] admiral, Mr. Valls resembles Picrochole, that character in Rabelais whose name in Greek means “bitter bile” and who regularly gets all excited at the prospect of going off to war. Mr. Valls began with a crusade against the Saracens of today and against the real or supposed enemies of Israel but he is also on a campaign against the revisionists, against “Dieudonné in peace,” against Marine Le Pen – even though she has thown her own father under the bus – and even against his friends of the Socialist clan. A good suggestion for him would be to calm down, take care of himself, try to laugh with Dieudonné, reflect for a moment with the revisionists, allow historians or researchers to work as they wish and, at long last, spare us the flag-waving frenzy, the bugle-blowing, the verse and chorus of theMarseillaise on the “day of glory,” the “impure blood” and the “ferocious soldiers.” As we know, it is, unhappily, all too easy to take the French in with that sort of thing.

Such, today, are the modest New Year wishes for 2016 that I allow myself to make for that person, for his victims, for the French and for the rest of the world. But is it perhaps already asking too much?

For their part, the revisionists know what awaits them: the confirmation in the mainstream media, sooner or later, that they have already won a total victory on the historical and scientific level. The political and media powers will indeed have to resign themselves to the facts: persistence in gunboat policies abroad and in those of gagging and censorship at home will only dishonor them still more. For nothing.

The rising flood, particularly on the Internet, that is bringing to the world’s knowledge the spectacular achievements of historical revisionism is not suddenly going to halt its advance or return towards its source.

The lies of the “Holocaust” are modeled on those of the First World War. All those “Nazi death-works,” like the ones at Auschwitz, are but a reprise of the myth of German “corpse factories” of 1914-1918. They were merely modernized by the adding of gas (Jewish-American version of November 1944) and sometimes of electricity (Jewish-Soviet version of February 1945). The good people, already generally not well disposed towards the practice of cremating the dead, were led to believe that Germany, a nation considered modern and known for having an abundance of engineers and chemists, had built structures containing, in addition to a cremation space, others called “gas chambers” (in reality, the “depositories,”Leichenhalle or Leichenkeller, technically designed to hold bodies awaiting cremation). Thus a certain propaganda has managed to persuade us that those German devils were dumb enough to house under the same roof, on one side, spaces full of a highly inflammable and explosive gas (the hydrocyanic acid or hydrogen cyanide contained in the pesticide Zyklon B, created in the 1920s) and, on the other side, crematory ovens that had to be laboriously brought to a temperature of 900° C.

In 1943 some of the men in charge of British war propaganda deplored “this gas chambers story.” For his part, the revisionist Germar Rudolf sums up the subject rather well in his Lectures on the Holocaust (Chicago, Theses & Dissertations Press, 2005, 566 pp., pp. 82-85). Even Victor Cavendish-Bentinck, a senior official of the Intelligence Service in London ready to believe just about any nonsense said against the Germans, was to write: “I feel certain that we are making a mistake in publicly giving credence to this gas chambers story” (p. 83). The trouble was that the British, undisputed champions of lying propaganda during the two world wars, needed those fables. On February 29, 1944 their Ministry of Information sent the BBC and the Church of England a circular letter7 of the greatest cynicism, requesting their respective cooperation for the spreading of propaganda on the basis of atrocity stories either already in circulation or currently being concocted. It was a matter of forestalling the disastrous effect that the Red Army, an ally, was inevitably to bring about in Central Europe by real atrocities (p. 84)!

On these inventions, these fabrications and the wide-scale dissemination of enormous tall tales, two books remain of great interest: Edward J. Rozek’s Allied Wartime Diplomacy: A Pattern in Poland, New York, Wiley, 1958 and, especially, Walter Laqueur's (a Jew born in Breslau in 1921):The Terrible Secret, London, Weidenfeld & Nicolson, 1980, 262 pp., wherein we see Cavendish-Bentinck, him again, “Chairman of the British Intelligence Committee,” writing in July 1943 that “The Poles and, to a far greater extent the Jews, tend to exaggerate German atrocities in order to stoke us up” (p. 83).

Fifteen months ago, referring to the crisis that the historians of the “Holocaust” were experiencing, I wrote that there was “more and more water in their gas, and slack in their knotted rope.”8 Since January 2015 and the anniversary of the “liberation” of Auschwitz I have noted a sudden acceleration of the phenomenon. I have a whole file and a whole demonstration on the subject but the continuing judicial repression has not yet left me time to publish this information. In any case, for the historian, it has become captivating to observe the never-ending agony of the “magical gas chamber” (Céline in 1950). This agony is accompanied, as we have seen, by a redoubling of the repression of revisionism and a turning up of the volume of holocaustic propaganda. May our Picrochole refrain, then, from going on the stage and into a trance! He would have a stroke. He might even be cruelly snatched away from us. Who knows? He could precede in death a man who will be 87 years of age on 25 January 2016 and whom some have, thus far in vain, so often sought to kill, not for his ideas (he has hardly any) but for having wanted to publish the result of his research, which is summed up in a phrase of about sixty words. I repeat it here for the record, and to have done with it:

The alleged Hitlerite gas chambers and the alleged genocide of the Jews form one and the same historical lie, which has permitted a gigantic political and financial swindle whose main beneficiaries are the state of Israel and international Zionism and whose main victims are the German people – but not their leaders – and the Palestinian people in their entirety.

Note: For sources or references especially regarding certain points of this text one may consult the indices of the seven volumes of my Ecrits révisionnistes thus far published. On the Internet, for “The Victories of Revisionism” (11 December 2006), seehttp://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2015/volume_7/number_4/victories_of_revisionism.phpand for “The Victories of Revisionism (continued)” (September 11, 2011), seehttp://inconvenienthistory.com/archive/2016/volume_8/number_1/victories_of_revisionism_cont.phpFans of court rulings by imbeciles are invited to refer to pages 152-155 of the first volume, where there are some tidbits from a decision handed down in 1979 by Her Honor Baluze-Frachet, judge of a Lyon police court. The good lady decreed back then that simply asking the question of the existence of the gas chambers was an affront not only to “good morals” but also to “the moral order.” The amusing bit of it is that by invoking “the moral order” she was advocating – although probably unawares – a value dear to Count MacMahon, Marshal of France, President of the French Republic and perennial model of reactionary conservatism. “The moral order” was to return seventy years later on with... Marshal Pétain. As for the fans of behavioral curiosities, there is fare for them in the following two videos featuring the current head of the French government: “The left hand of Manuel Valls” and “Rally of March 19, 2014 – speech by Manuel Valls, Minister of the Interior” [Both videos are in French; the second with English subtitles —Ed.].

31 December 2015

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[jamal18]

Here is my current workplace. The first picture is the side view, the second the 'end' view with the computer console top left. This is £250,000 pounds worth. It is made by a British company and exported world wide. State of the art.

This is a temporary install, this oven will work while the 3 old ones are removed and 3 new ones are installed.

The crematorium cremates about 6 bodies a day. When I asked one of the staff (you can just about see him in the first photo) if they can cope with just one he replied ' It will be difficult..'.

About 80 minutes, one body.

 

[waz]

Thread closed. It's gone from one man's tale to questioning a well documented and proven event in history. You can argue the numbers all day, but not the massacre of Jews itself.