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It's not likely to be interest rates affecting the housing market because inflation will probably creep up a bit with oil prices likely to rise this year. The tariffs themselves may not be a factor in US inflation at all, the US inflation rate actually dropped slightly after the first round of tariffs in September.

So if it isn't interest rates what other factors do you predict are going to affect the housing market?

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At first it was the farmers---now it is the trucking business. Till march---the business was booming and then came april---supposedly the best month of the year---.

And there was no business---. Truckers and trucking companies walking out of contracts before taking deliveries of trucks / trailers / dry vans / refrigerated vans---cancelling deals that were made---.

The trucks have no loads when coming back from the east coast to the west coast---. Whatever loads are hardly pay enough---.

My company at its 6 stores had 430 pre-owned trucks in stock for sale last year at this time---. Last month we had 220 truck for sale in the inventory---.

That is just one part of the economy---.
 
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It's not likely to be interest rates affecting the housing market because inflation will probably creep up a bit with oil prices likely to rise this year. The tariffs themselves may not be a factor in US inflation at all, the US inflation rate actually dropped slightly after the first round of tariffs in September.

So if it isn't interest rates what other factors do you predict are going to affect the housing market?

Hi,


Never tel your customer to go buy somewhere else---because once gone---they will not come back---.

That is what the american farmer is looking at right now---. Other nations are happy to provide their services---.
 
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Did Lord B tell you that the number of export to US only occupies 4% of China's total GDP, export only occupies 15% of China's total GDP, and China buy 85% of Made in China products?
You can evaluate how this will significantly hurt China the largest commodity producer of the world.

Never trust so called the Wall street market wizards, when they predicate long, you'd better prepare to short, they like misdirect the audiences, it's an open secret. :laugh:
 
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More or less what I have argued, US consumers will carry some of the cost of the new tariffs in the short term but in the long term substitution/alternative sources for most goods will meet demand at a lower price (but a higher equilibrium than originally).

Most mass manufactured goods will have elastic demand (short term) and elastic supply (long term) driving consumers and suppliers to meet at a new equilibrium point. Manufacturers shifting from China will carry the costs of transition (short term).

The long term effects of a 25% tariff are going to be far more profound than a 10% tariff due to the demand and supply curve co-efficiency's. The longer this dispute carries on, the more it will favor the US.

The Trump administration does not appear to be finishing with tariffs. The executive order banning Huawei from US supply chains is the start of another front in this 'trade war'. Export bans preventing technology transfers targeting Huawei and other Chinese electronics manufacturers are likely to follow. There may be bans on firms in other industries in the future although there is no evidence of this yet.



Did you see some of the emotionally driven responses to some of my other posts on the trade war? Instead of trying to counter my position with economic rationale, they resort to childish name calling and making bizarre accusations. I have most of those kind of posters on ignore, some others may make an appearance.

You're an economics guy too?

Even assuming equal elasticity, the national welfare of a large importer country 'increases' when it imposes a tariff according to economic theory.

PFT is the free trade equilibrium price. At that price, the excess demand by the importing country equals excess supply by the exporter.

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The quantity of imports and exports is shown as the blue line segment on each country's graph. (That's the horizontal distance between the supply and demand curves at the free trade price) When a large importing country implements a tariff it will cause an increase in the price of the good on the domestic market and a decrease in the price in the rest of the world (RoW). Suppose after the tariff the price in the importing country rises to
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and the price in the exporting country falls to
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. If the tariff is a specific tax then the tariff rate would be
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, equal to the length of the green line segment in the diagram. If the tariff were an ad valorem tax then the tariff rate would be given by
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The following Table provides a summary of the direction and magnitude of the welfare effects to producers, consumers and the governments in the importing and exporting countries. The aggregate national welfare effects and the world welfare effects are also shown. Online, or with a color print-out, positive welfare effects are shown in black, negative effects in red.

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Tariff Effects on:

Importing Country Consumers - Consumers of the product in the importing country suffer a reduction in well-being as a result of the tariff. The increase in the domestic price of both imported goods and the domestic substitutes reduces the amount of consumer surplus in the market. Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in consumer surplus is represented.

Importing Country Producers - Producers in the importing country experience an increase in well-being as a result of the tariff. The increase in the price of their product on the domestic market increases producer surplus in the industry. The price increases also induces an increase in output of existing firms (and perhaps the addition of new firms), an increase in employment, and an increase in profit and/or payments to fixed costs. Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in producer surplus is represented.

Importing Country Government - The government receives tariff revenue as a result of the tariff. Who benefits from the revenue depends on how the government spends it. Typically the revenue is simply included as part of the general funds collected by the government from various sources. In this case it is impossible to identify precisely who benefits. However, these funds help support many government spending programs which presumably help either most people in the country, as is the case with public goods, or is targeted at certain worthy groups. Thus, someone within the country is the likely recipient of these benefits. Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the tariff revenue is represented.

Importing Country - The aggregate welfare effect for the country is found by summing the gains and losses to consumers, producers and the government. The net effect consists of three components: a positive terms of trade effect (G), a negative production distortion (B), and a negative consumption distortion (D). Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in national welfare is represented.

Because there are both positive and negative elements, the net national welfare effect can be either positive or negative. The interesting result, however, is that it can be positive. This means that a tariff implemented by a "large" importing country may raise national welfare.

Generally speaking,

1) whenever a "large" country implements a small tariff, it will raise national welfare.

2) if the tariff is set too high, national welfare will fall

and 3) there will be a positive optimal tariff that will maximize national welfare.

Click here for more information about optimal tariffs.

However, it is also important to note that everyone's welfare does not rise when there is an increase in national welfare. Instead there is a redistribution of income. Producers of the product and recipients of government spending will benefit, but consumers will lose. A national welfare increase, then, means that the sum of the gains exceeds the sum of the losses across all individuals in the economy. Economists generally argue that, in this case, compensation from winners to losers can potentially alleviate the redistribution problem.

Click here to learn more about the compensation principle.

Tariff Effects on:

Exporting Country Consumers - Consumers of the product in the exporting country experience an increase in well-being as a result of the tariff. The decrease in their domestic price raises the amount of consumer surplus in the market. Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in consumer surplus is represented.

Exporting Country Producers - Producers in the exporting country experience a decrease in well-being as a result of the tariff. The decrease in the price of their product in their own market decreases producer surplus in the industry. The price decline also induces a decrease in output, a decrease in employment, and a decrease in profit and/or payments to fixed costs. Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in producer surplus is represented.

Exporting Country Government - There is no effect on the exporting country government revenue as a result of the importer's tariff.

Exporting Country - The aggregate welfare effect for the country is found by summing the gains and losses to consumers and producers. The net effect consists of three components: a negative terms of trade effect (g), a negative consumption distortion (f), and a negative production distortion (h). Refer to the Table and Figure to see how the magnitude of the change in national welfare is represented.

Since all three components are negative, the importer's tariff must result in a reduction in national welfare for the exporting country. However, it is important to note that a redistribution of income occurs, i.e., some groups gain while others lose. In this case the sum of the losses exceeds the sum of the gains.

Tariff Effects on:

World Welfare - The effect on world welfare is found by summing the national welfare effects in the importing and exporting countries. By noting that the terms of trade gain to the importer is equal to the terms of trade loss to the exporter, the world welfare effect reduces to four components: the importer's negative production distortion (B), the importer's negative consumption distortion (D), the exporter's negative consumption distortion (f), and the exporter's negative production distortion (h). Since each of these is negative, the world welfare effect of the import tariff is negative. The sum of the losses in the world exceeds the sum of the gains. In other words, we can say that an import tariff results in a reduction in world production and consumption efficiency.

http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch90/T90-8.php
http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch90/T90-9.php
 
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Hi,


Never tel your customer to go buy somewhere else---because once gone---they will not come back---.

That is what the american farmer is looking at right now---. Other nations are happy to provide their services---.


You're an economics guy too?

Even assuming equal elasticity, the national welfare of a large importer country 'increases' when it imposes a tariff according to economic theory.



http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch90/T90-8.php
http://internationalecon.com/Trade/Tch90/T90-9.php

No, my specialty is Strategic Business Planning. If you understand what that means, that answers your question.

The elasticity in this case isn't even, hence the co-efficient, but the important part is the short term vs long term elasticity. This is due to the lag between the new Tariff rates and long term factors such as substitution, manufacturers shifting out of China and new sources of imports. The equilibrium price will take time to reduce after the initial upward shift.
 
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No, my specialty is Strategic Business Planning. If you understand what that means, that answers your question.

The elasticity in this case isn't even, hence the co-efficient, but the important part is the short term vs long term elasticity. This is due to the lag between the new Tariff rates and long term factors such as substitution, manufacturers shifting out of China and new sources of imports. The equilibrium price will take time to reduce after the initial upward shift.

Hi,

Only if it was so easy---. Farmers in the midwest are broke---massive number of bankruptcies---.

But that is not the actual problem---. Other nations have come in to fill the needs of china---Brazil has changed crops to what china needs---and so has russia---meat and dairy---other countries have gotten on the band wagon---.

So---even if things change----it would never be the same---. Chinese will not forget what has happened---their thirst of american goods will fade away in time---.

The US on the other hand will not be able to live without it---.

Now don't get me wrong---american product was the best product that there was---high in quality and reliable---from clothing to shoes and whatever not---and then it all was SENT to china---chinese were happy and obliged by sending end product---.

The problem with the US is that warmongers have taken over---. They have found the way to make money by first demonizing the muslim countries---and now china---& iran. Their portfolios have seen a massive increase in size---and they are not going to let go---.

The US just gave relief to canada and mexico for steal and something else---. The americans will have to talk to china to resolve the issues---there is no other way out---.
 
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Hi,

Only if it was so easy---. Farmers in the midwest are broke---massive number of bankruptcies---.

But that is not the actual problem---. Other nations have come in to fill the needs of china---Brazil has changed crops to what china needs---and so has russia---meat and dairy---other countries have gotten on the band wagon---.

So---even if things change----it would never be the same---. Chinese will not forget what has happened---their thirst of american goods will fade away in time---.

The US on the other hand will not be able to live without it---.

Now don't get me wrong---american product was the best product that there was---high in quality and reliable---from clothing to shoes and whatever not---and then it all was SENT to china---chinese were happy and obliged by sending end product---.

The problem with the US is that warmongers have taken over---. They have found the way to make money by first demonizing the muslim countries---and now china---& iran. Their portfolios have seen a massive increase in size---and they are not going to let go---.

The US just gave relief to canada and mexico for steal and something else---. The americans will have to talk to china to resolve the issues---there is no other way out---.

Ironic Kissenger/Nixon used the PRC to destroy the Soviet Union until the 2000s the American strategy was ok China will go capitalist it's people will be white worshippers of everything and democracy will replace The CCP boy were they wrong

Hi,

Only if it was so easy---. Farmers in the midwest are broke---massive number of bankruptcies---.

But that is not the actual problem---. Other nations have come in to fill the needs of china---Brazil has changed crops to what china needs---and so has russia---meat and dairy---other countries have gotten on the band wagon---.

So---even if things change----it would never be the same---. Chinese will not forget what has happened---their

The problem with the US is that warmongers have taken over---. They have found the way to make money by first demonizing the muslim countries---and now china---& iran. Their portfolios have seen a massive increase in size---and they are not going to let go---.

The US expected once the Soviets were out in 1991 they will be the supreme uni polar power forever it kinda did Mastan you probably remember The whole conflicts in Yugoslavia,Somalia,and Iraq in the 90s the US created them however the reputation of the US went down hill from there problem the US has is a old school Cold war hawks like Bolton and Pompeo stipple call the shots then you have the Zionist lobby and Millitary industrial complex that eat away money from the Federal Govt its suicidal cycle Trump whether you like him or not is kinda right on PRC trade policy but it was US who propped them up to counter the USSR Iraq went tottaly to Iran side the US has slight chance to recover but it will need to cooperate with emerging Superpowers and regional powers to regain trust tho I am pessimistic on that front
 
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