What's new

Former coal secretary HC Gupta's conviction will lead to bureaucratic paralysis. Here is why

ashok321

ELITE MEMBER
Joined
Nov 1, 2010
Messages
17,942
Reaction score
4
Country
Canada
Location
Malaysia
Former coal secretary HC Gupta's conviction will lead to bureaucratic paralysis. Here is why

Why decision-making may soon grind to a halt in India's bureaucratic corridors


Over the years, our judiciary has handed out many landmark judgements. Its proactive approach has often raised eyebrows but the fact is that many path breaking decisions have been possible only because of this forward-looking approach.

It was this bold approach through which the Supreme Court directed that natural resources should be disposed of through public auction alone. This single judgement has severely choked all manipulations at the level of politicians and bureaucrats in many fields. Crores of rupees have been added to the State exchequer as a result of this mandate of Justice GS Singhvi.

But sometimes, perhaps unknowingly, some judgements can lead to unexpectedly disastrous consequences. The recent conviction by the CBI Court of former coal secretary HC Gupta has stirred up a debate. Rarely does a single judgement of a court have such farreaching consequences.

Gupta has been an officer of unimpeachable integrity. No less than two former cabinet secretaries, Naresh Chandra and TSR Subramanian, through newspaper articles, have put on record their appreciation of Gupta's high integrity. Rarely have I seen former cabinet secretaries writing articles to defend an officer.

Facing Consequences
But what went wrong? Perhaps the justice delivery system failed to appreciate the bureaucratic functioning. Administrative decisions are not mathematical solutions, where two plus two will always be four. A computer would always give the same answer but different bureaucrats need not take identical decisions in similar situations. In a given situation, widely divergent decisions may be taken by different officers.

There is no guarantee that every decision of a bureaucrat has to be invariably correct. Just as judges can go wrong, the chances of bureaucrats going wrong are greater. Even in the SC, many a times, five judges have delivered the majority judgement while the four judges on the bench have delivered dissenting judgments. Can it be said that the minority view was necessarily wrong?

Merely taking a different view, where another view was possible, cannot and should not attract criminal prosecution. One cannot be judgmental about every action of a bureaucrat but, assuming that he has gone wrong, should that automatically attract criminal liability? The answer is an emphatic no. But at the same time, bureaucrats cannot be given a blank cheque to indulge in reckless and flawed decisions.

A Lakshman Rekha has to be drawn. Our entire criminal jurisprudence is based on the concept of mens rea, that is guilty intention. If there is guilty intention, then certainly he or she should face the consequences. If he has directly or indirectly gained anything from such an act, he deserves to be punished ¡X but if there is no guilty intention, then he should not be subjected to criminal proceedings.

There are ample provisions for penalising a civil servant, where any wrong has been consciously committed. In a large number of cases, civil servants have faced the punishment of even dismissal from service for violation of conduct. Many officers are also compulsorily retired every year. Miscarriage of Justice

In an environment thick with large-scale corruption and the all-pervasive perception of an unholy nexus between the bureaucrats and the politicians in collusive corrupt practices, the courts cannot be mute spectators. They have to come down heavily to curb the widespread malaise. But, in this mission, the basic concept of criminal law - mens rea - should always be the guiding principle.

The definition in Prevention of Corruption Act may not be so happily worded and that is why there is a proposal to amend it. Even if there is no undue gain to the civil servant, he can be held liable under this Act. The basic concept of mens rea should be uppermost in the mind of a judge while dealing with any criminal case. The concept of mens rea transcends all other legal provisions in criminal jurisprudence. Inspite of all the precautions, miscarriage of justice is not unknown in our judicial system. But this is not an individual case. The reverberations of this judgment have gone far and wide.

The entire decision-making process at the bureaucratic level has come to a halt. Even in the normal course, leaving aside some honourable exceptions, the Indian bureaucracy in general, does not enjoy the reputation of fast decision-making. Red tape is the rule rather than the exception. But, after this judgment, bureaucracy will be virtually paralysed. However result-oriented an officer may be, he will think thrice before taking a decision. Decisions will be deferred on one pretext or the other. Consequently, the public will suffer. Civil servants will promptly act if the action involves loss or damage to anyone but they will avoid an action that leads to a gain or relief, however just and fair his claim may be.

However dynamic the political leadership may be, it cannot deliver the goods with a paralysed bureaucracy. If the civil servants are perpetually haunted by prospects of criminal proceedings, they are clever enough to avoid decisions, without saying so. Our economy would suffer. Our people would be oppressed if the judicial system is unable to draw a line between bonafide actions including bonafide errors and malafide decisions of the civil servants.
 
.
Huh. so, should just let corrupt babus walk free?
Nonsense.
 
.
Huh. so, should just let corrupt babus walk free?
Nonsense.

Apparently that is what the "intellectuals" are demanding :lol:

You see, If we don't allow them to steal, "he will think thrice before taking a decision. Decisions will be deferred on one pretext or the other." :cheesy:
 
.
Huh. so, should just let corrupt babus walk free?
Nonsense.
Apparently that is what the "intellectuals" are demanding :lol:

You see, If we don't allow them to steal, "he will think thrice before taking a decision. Decisions will be deferred on one pretext or the other." :cheesy:
You people do not know b of bureaucracy but will keep of harping on your stupid ideas. Politician do not even know what is good and what is bad except they just want to come to power. Its bureaucracy that is running this nation. If such decision are taken only common man and industries will suffer, no one want to take blame. Many times you take decision in a situation when you do not kmow how the situation will turn out but still you have to take decisions and many times it turns out right and many times wrong. Its better to take wrong decision then to be undecided and let there be policy paralysis.
Just suppose there is some auction or bidding to be done and all companies that came were like of adani, vedanta etc. Now most of the minerals lies in the dharawar rock system of india in chotanagpur pleatue region which also house some of the very aboriginal tribes of india in jharkhand and orrisa. These tribal own the land in these forest and laws are specific that without their gramsabha concent you cant mine there. How a bureaucrat is going to take a decision. Now you can understand why vedanta aluminium plant never saw the light of dawn in niyamgiri hills of orrisa. Btw everyone has right over their home and scrapping of vedanta plant was a welcome step.

Corruption is something very integral to the system but most of higher bureaucracy are not corrupt. Politicial class fare much worse in corruption then the bureaucratic class. Many times its politician who pressurise the bureaucratic class and make them involve in corruption. If you think bjp govt has become messiah of new india you are for big surprise in coming days. You think all politician are likely to be corrupt but not bjp, you are very naive.
A good govt and welfare state can only be acheived when people of the nation has the foresight to look into both good and bad of govt. Failures are equally important as achievement.
Anyway i know i am beating a dead drum, but still.
 
.
Corruption is something very integral to the system but most of higher bureaucracy are not corrupt. Politicial class fare much worse in corruption then the bureaucratic class. Many times its politician who pressurise the bureaucratic class and make them involve in corruption. If you think bjp govt has become messiah of new india you are for big surprise in coming days. You think all politician are likely to be corrupt but not bjp, you are very naive.
A good govt and welfare state can only be acheived when people of the nation has the foresight to look into both good and bad of govt. Failures are equally important as achievement.
Anyway i know i am beating a dead drum, but still.

You make some good points.
This situation though is simply about corrupt babus. to think that there are not corrupt babus is an obvious deflection to score political points. Oh, politicians are corrupt but guess what, there is no file, even if PM signs without a babu ALSO signing on it. The checks and balances are obvious and if a babu transgresses this, it's unforgivable since the babu is trained to be the guiding force.
 
.
You people do not know b of bureaucracy but will keep of harping on your stupid ideas.

Then we are so lucky to have a genius like you explain things to dumb old us :lol:

Politician do not even know what is good and what is bad except they just want to come to power.

Don't you mean CONgress politician ? :cheesy:

Those days are gone, This is the Modi Raj. Choke on that.

Its bureaucracy that is running this nation. If such decision are taken only common man and industries will suffer, no one want to take blame. Many times you take decision in a situation when you do not kmow how the situation will turn out but still you have to take decisions and many times it turns out right and many times wrong. Its better to take wrong decision then to be undecided and let there be policy paralysis.

So ? There is a difference between a "BAD decision" and a "WRONG decision".

Only a Moron would see no difference between the two. Funnily enough the judiciary disagrees with you.

I strongly suggest that you get some education that will help you understand the difference between the two. I am too bored to educate you on this.


Just suppose there is some auction or bidding to be done and all companies that came were like of adani, vedanta etc. Now most of the minerals lies in the dharawar rock system of india in chotanagpur pleatue region which also house some of the very aboriginal tribes of india in jharkhand and orrisa. These tribal own the land in these forest and laws are specific that without their gramsabha concent you cant mine there. How a bureaucrat is going to take a decision.

The bureaucrat will take the decision as per the LAW :cheesy:

Why is there any doubt about this ? This means work to get the gramsabha consent, and ONLY THEN give permission AS PER THE LAW.


Now you can understand why vedanta aluminium plant never saw the light of dawn in niyamgiri hills of orrisa. Btw everyone has right over their home and scrapping of vedanta plant was a welcome step.

SO ? How is Vedanta rights more important than the rights of other Stake holders ? :lol:


Corruption is something very integral to the system but most of higher bureaucracy are not corrupt.

:lol: .......... :lol: ............. :lol:

You have my sympathies. Have you considered eating badam to improve your mental abilities ?

Monies-min.jpeg


Noida_bureaucrat_raids650.jpg


49436253.jpg


Political class fare much worse in corruption then the bureaucratic class.

Politicians give back to the societies they steal from, especially during election time. Bureaucrats don't.

Politicians are voted out of power, Bureaucrats are NOT.

Many times its politician who pressurise the bureaucratic class and make them involve in corruption.

So ?

Tomorrow if Dawood pressurizes you to commit murder, you should be declared innocent ? :cheesy:

Have you heard of FREE WILL ? sadly for you , the COURTS HAVE. LOL.

If you think bjp govt has become messiah of new india you are for big surprise in coming days. You think all politician are likely to be corrupt but not bjp, you are very naive.

:lol: ...... ok, I will wait for you to provide PROOF.

Or did you think that mere allegations are enough ? :lol:

A good govt and welfare state can only be acheived when people of the nation has the foresight to look into both good and bad of govt. Failures are equally important as achievement.
Anyway i know i am beating a dead drum, but still.

Failures are inevitable, but corruption is NOT. Again only a MORON would not know the difference between the two.

I agree you are wasting you time putting your stupidity on public display. But if that is what you want, who am I to convince you otherwise.

You make some good points.
This situation though is simply about corrupt babus. to think that there are not corrupt babus is an obvious deflection to score political points. Oh, politicians are corrupt but guess what, there is no file, even if PM signs without a babu ALSO signing on it. The checks and balances are obvious and if a babu transgresses this, it's unforgivable since the babu is trained to be the guiding force.

No he doesn't.

He is just an apologist for the corrupt.

Next he will be telling us that Manmohan singh had no choice but to allow the loot to continue under him :lol:

Maybe we should vote back MMS under that logic. :cheesy:
 
.
Politicians can't loot the Treasury. It's bureaucracy that tells politicians how to make money and get away with it.
By such decisions bureaucracy will know that they can't shrug off the responsibility. It would have been amazing if MMS was also charge sheeted, how could he, after being in charge of Coal portfolio, get away.
 
.
Then we are so lucky to have a genius like you explain things to dumb old us :lol:



Don't you mean CONgress politician ? :cheesy:

Those days are gone, This is the Modi Raj. Choke on that.



So ? There is a difference between a "BAD decision" and a "WRONG decision".

Only a Moron would see no difference between the two. Funnily enough the judiciary disagrees with you.

I strongly suggest that you get some education that will help you understand the difference between the two. I am too bored to educate you on this.




The bureaucrat will take the decision as per the LAW :cheesy:

Why is there any doubt about this ? This means work to get the gramsabha consent, and ONLY THEN give permission AS PER THE LAW.




SO ? How is Vedanta rights more important than the rights of other Stake holders ? :lol:




:lol: .......... :lol: ............. :lol:

You have my sympathies. Have you considered eating badam to improve your mental abilities ?

Monies-min.jpeg


Noida_bureaucrat_raids650.jpg


49436253.jpg




Politicians give back to the societies they steal from, especially during election time. Bureaucrats don't.

Politicians are voted out of power, Bureaucrats are NOT.



So ?

Tomorrow if Dawood pressurizes you to commit murder, you should be declared innocent ? :cheesy:

Have you heard of FREE WILL ? sadly for you , the COURTS HAVE. LOL.



:lol: ...... ok, I will wait for you to provide PROOF.

Or did you think that mere allegations are enough ? :lol:



Failures are inevitable, but corruption is NOT. Again only a MORON would not know the difference between the two.

I agree you are wasting you time putting your stupidity on public display. But if that is what you want, who am I to convince you otherwise.



No he doesn't.

He is just an apologist for the corrupt.

Next he will be telling us that Manmohan singh had no choice but to allow the loot to continue under him :lol:

Maybe we should vote back MMS under that logic. :cheesy:
I could have given you a apt reply but now i will not. I am pretty convinced you are old and dumb as stated so it would be waste of my time arguing you.
 
.
Am not aware of this case,

But there was an is officer srilakshmi undar late ys rajashekar Reddy in undivided Ap.

She just played to his runes and did all scam, now she is going to courts on weekly basis.

You do all nonsense to please your bosses and just can't walk away.
There are business rules
 
.
I could have given you a apt reply but now i will not. I am pretty convinced you are old and dumb as stated so it would be waste of my time arguing you.

Its pretty clear that you are in no position to give ANY SORT OF REPLY to my post.

Your empty bravado just makes you look more pathetic.

Best you could do is run away while shouting epithets. So keep running.

Politicians can't loot the Treasury. It's bureaucracy that tells politicians how to make money and get away with it.
By such decisions bureaucracy will know that they can't shrug off the responsibility. It would have been amazing if MMS was also charge sheeted, how could he, after being in charge of Coal portfolio, get away.

Politicians are ACCOUNTABLE, Bureaucracy is not.

Its about time the Judiciary makes the Bureaucracy accountable too, disputes the whining of apologists.

I suspect MMS was the one who leaked info to Dr. Swamy , which is why Dr. swamy is protecting MMS as a whistle blower. So its unlikely if he would ever charged.
 
.
Its pretty clear that you are in no position to give ANY SORT OF REPLY to my post.

Your empty bravado just makes you look more pathetic.

Best you could do is run away while shouting epithets. So keep running.



Politicians are ACCOUNTABLE, Bureaucracy is not.

Its about time the Judiciary makes the Bureaucracy accountable too, disputes the whining of apologists.

I suspect MMS was the one who leaked info to Dr. Swamy , which is why Dr. swamy is protecting MMS as a whistle blower. So its unlikely if he would ever charged.
Yup it's better to run away from dumb people. Enjoy your bravado.
 
.
Yup it's better to run away from dumb people. Enjoy your bravado.

Nah, its better to humiliate dumb people so the next time they will think twice about opening their mouth in public and flashing their stupidity.

I did enjoy humiliating you, so thank you for the opportunity. :tup:
 
.
Nah, its better to humiliate dumb people so the next time they will think twice about opening their mouth in public and flashing their stupidity.

I did enjoy humiliating you, so thank you for the opportunity. :tup:
Sure, keep thinking what ever make you smile. Happiness and smiling face is the best things to have in life.
 
.
Sure, keep thinking what ever make you smile. Happiness and smiling face is the best things to have in life.

Not at all. Intelligence, health and money is the best things to have in life :lol:

If you have neither, then the second best thing is to keep smiling so that at least the people think you have money :lol:
 
.
Its pretty clear that you are in no position to give ANY SORT OF REPLY to my post.

Your empty bravado just makes you look more pathetic.

Best you could do is run away while shouting epithets. So keep running.



Politicians are ACCOUNTABLE, Bureaucracy is not.

Its about time the Judiciary makes the Bureaucracy accountable too, disputes the whining of apologists.

I suspect MMS was the one who leaked info to Dr. Swamy , which is why Dr. swamy is protecting MMS as a whistle blower. So its unlikely if he would ever charged.
Yes bureaucracy needs to be accountable. Let bureaucracy learn to work as per rules and not as per whims of their bosses in charge of their postings.
 
.
Back
Top Bottom