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For Some Buyers With Virus Fears, the Priority Isn’t Toilet Paper. It’s Guns.
Gun shops and ammunition dealers say they’ve seen a surge in purchases, particularly from first-time buyers.

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Daniel Hill, right, purchased his first firearm this week at Hyatt Gun and Coin in Charlotte, N.C. He fears that as the coronavirus spreads, society “just won’t have any sense of lawfulness any more.” Credit...Logan R. Cyrus for The New York Times

March 16, 2020

Daniel Hill had never bought a gun before. But last week he was in Larry Hyatt’s gun store in North Carolina, picking out two of them: a 9-millimeter Taurus handgun and an AR-15 semiautomatic rifle.

His motivation: the coronavirus.

Mr. Hill, a 29-year-old kitchen manager in Charlotte, N.C., said he feared that the virus could lead to a breakdown of public order, with looting and robberies and “everything shutting down, like in a zombie movie” where society “just won’t have any sense of lawfulness anymore.”

Gun and ammunition dealers said they have seen an influx of customers with similar concerns in recent weeks, creating a spike in sales as coronavirus anxiety spreads. Reports of firearms and survival gear flying off the shelves have been widespread, including in California, New York, Washington State, Alabama and Ohio. Photos on Twitter over the weekend showed lines around the block at one Los Angeles gun shop.

Some dealers said an unusually high proportion of sales have been to first-time gun buyers.

“We attribute it mainly to the virus scare,” said Mr. Hyatt, whose gun store has seen sales increase 30 to 40 percent since late February. The presidential election and stock market fluctuations have also been driving business, he said, and the store is now selling more than 300 firearms a week.

“People have a little lack of confidence that if something big and bad happens, that 911 might not work. We saw it with Katrina,” Mr. Hyatt said, referring to the breakdown in emergency responseafter the 2005 hurricane on the Gulf Coast. “People haven’t forgotten that a disaster happened, and the government didn’t come.”

Some major law enforcement agencies said they had not seen any sharp rise in firearms sales in recent weeks. Data from the F.B.I. show a sizable increase in background checks for gun purchases since the start of the year, though other factors, such as the national political campaign and gun control efforts by some state legislatures, including Virginia, could also be driving them.

Checks through the F.B.I. system leapt 36 percent in February compared with the same month last year, to a total of 2.8 million nationally — the largest year-over-year percentage increase in any month since July 2016 (another presidential election year). The agency processed more background checks in February than it had in all but two other months since it started performing the queries in the late 1990s.

January, when most confirmed cases of the virus were still mostly overseas, also saw a sizable increase in background checks, up 25 percent from the same month last year.

The background check numbers for March — when confirmed cases of the virus began to sharply spike in the United States and public measures to slow it took hold — will not be available for a few weeks.

Licensed firearms dealers like Mr. Hyatt are required to run those queries with the F.B.I. to ensure that would-be purchasers are not convicted felons or otherwise barred from gun possession. Private sales, including through gun shows, online marketplaces or social media, are exempt from federal background checks, so any change there would be difficult to spot.

Even before virus concerns escalated or the stock market plunged in recent weeks, national politics were likely playing a role in rising sales.

Chuck Lowder, who picked up a rifle at Hyatt Guns last week, cited a testy confrontation between a construction worker in Detroit and former Vice President Joseph R. Biden Jr., who is now leading in the polls for the Democratic presidential nomination, about the candidate wanting to “take away our guns.”

Mr. Biden used a vulgarity to tell the worker that he was wrong. While the former vice president supports universal background checks and banning the sale of military-style semiautomatic rifles and high-capacity magazines, he also supports many types of gun ownership and owns guns himself.

Still, those moments can spur devotees to their favorite gun store, said Mr. Lowder, a retired brewery worker and truck driver who had come from Lenoir, N.C., to buy an AR-15. “When you’re told you can’t have something, the first thing you want to do is get it.”

Even so, Mr. Lowder also said that the “unreal” number of customers he saw in Mr. Hyatt’s store last week was likely more about the fear of what could happen with the pandemic.

“When you’re told that the coronavirus is going to get you, and the TV and everything is just swamped with it, people start believing it, and they get scared,” he said, adding that he also bought 300 rounds of ammunition, triple what he normally would buy.

Some ammunition suppliers said they also have seen a sharp jump in sales. Alex Horsman, the marketing manager at Ammo.com, said the past few weeks have marked the largest spike in orders in the five years he has been with the online company.

The company said it recorded two-thirds more transactions in the 11 days after Feb. 22 — when Google Trends indicates that search interest for “coronavirus” began a new surge — than in the 11 days prior. Buyers in North Carolina, Georgia, Pennsylvania and Texas led the increase in sales.

As customers have been flooding into gun stores, demand appears to be outstripping supply among some wholesalers, said Andy Raymond, the owner of Engage Armament in Rockville, Md. “We’re getting stuff from distributors,” he said, “who are saying, ‘Hey, due to high volume, we’re delayed in shipping.’”

Mr. Hill, the first-time buyer in Charlotte, said he thought society was a long way from the full breakdown that he feared might be coming because of the virus.

“But you can tell it’s already taking a toll on everybody,” he said. “If it were to keep going the way it is going, how bad could it get?”
 
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Lucky Americans and their 2nd amendment. They can keep their families and property safe in case the bug causes a total societal breakdown and chaos.
 
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The toilet paper saga is blown out proportion as well. There were plenty of toilet papers and hand sanitizers available in my local morrisons today when I picked up my lunch. Yes people were probably panic buying but I think common sense has prevailed. However this notion of buying guns is typical american response.

When I first visited US I was baffled at isles of ammunition next to groceries in the local walmart in Virginia.
 
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They need to get some heavy fire arms like RPG, GPMG.
 
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They need to get some heavy fire arms like RPG, GPMG.
Those are illegal but apparently one can get a special permit for full auto rifles, not sure about MGs though, and no way can they get RPGs

I know you are just kidding but maybe some 'murrican here can clear that up.
 
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The toilet paper saga is blown out proportion as well. There were plenty of toilet papers and hand sanitizers available in my local morrisons today when I picked up my lunch. Yes people were probably panic buying but I think common sense has prevailed. However this notion of buying guns is typical american response.

When I first visited US I was baffled at isles of ammunition next to groceries in the local walmart in Virginia.

Lucky you,couldn't even find eggs and bread in Tesco/Morrison or Lidl leave aside toilet paper.
 
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Lucky you,couldn't even find eggs and bread in Tesco/Morrison or Lidl leave aside toilet paper.

Not my experience, try going to a farm shop for eggs etc. I live in the countryside and there are a lot of farm shops. I generally buy vegetables and eggs from them. Hopefully you find eggs, I cannot imagine a day without having eggs for breakfast. :-)

Meanwhile across the Channel: https://metro.co.uk/2020/03/16/dutch-panic-buyers-queue-round-block-cannabis-12405192/
 
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Those are illegal but apparently one can get a special permit for full auto rifles, not sure about MGs though, and no way can they get RPGs

I know you are just kidding but maybe some 'murrican here can clear that up.

If you can get your hands on an expended launcher of a single-shot system such as the RPG-18, which is essentially a copy of the US M72 LAW, then yes you can own it. It's not reloadable so all you really have is a fancy tube.
Here is a list:
https://www.online-paralegal-programs.com/crazy-weapons-that-are-still-legal-in-the-us/
Throughout history, humans have invented a variety of deadly weapons. In the West, certain arms were developed from agricultural tools, while in the East various weapons can be traced back to different forms of martial arts. Over the years, some weapons have made their way from the battlefield into areas such as hunting, whilst others, for example flamethrowers, have been repurposed for use in civilian spheres like agriculture.

That’s some of the history. Today, as debate continues about gun control in the United States, it seems incredible to think that ownership of a number of deadly weapons – some ancient, some more modern – remains permitted under federal law. Read on for ten crazy weapons that are still legal in the U.S.

10. CANNON
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The cannon conjures images of countless historical battles on sea and land. Interestingly, the lineage of these pieces of artillery can be traced back to Chinese flame-throwing gunpowder weapons called fire lances. Since their first use in conflict – possibly in the 13th century – cannons have played important parts in many battles, but gradually they took on a more indirect role as infantry weapons improved leading up to the 20th century.

Cannon shells are classed as destructive devices in the U.S. under the 1934 National Firearms Act (NFA). They must be registered with the Bureau of Alcohol, Tobacco, Firearms and Explosives and, though legal under federal law, are prohibited from being owned by civilians in certain states. Muzzle-loading cannons themselves, however, are – remarkably – not deemed to be firearms in the U.S. and are therefore not regulated by the NFA.

9. SAP CAP
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Possibly one of the most inconspicuous weapons a person is ever likely to encounter, the Sap Cap is by no means just a standard baseball cap. A hidden pocket at the back filled with a material as dense as lead makes this a dangerous weapon, with the peak doubling as a handle. Some owners have questioned the durability of the pocket that holds the weighted material at the back, but there’s no doubting the cap’s defensive – or offensive – potential. It’s readily available, too, costing $24.73 plus shipping.

8. CROSSBOW
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Crossbows were deployed in conflicts in Europe and East Asia for centuries; in China their use has been traced as far back as the 5th century BCE. The military deployment of crossbows declined in line with increased use of gunpowder, but they are still used by special forces in Greece, Serbia, Spain and China. Jane’s Defence Weekly spokesman and veteran war correspondent Paul Beaver has remarked that crossbows “are not only a silent killer, they also have a psychological effect.” Still, military usage aside, they are now often used in hunting and for target practice. Perhaps surprisingly, there is no federal law prohibiting these weapons if they’re bought for “target shooting,” and in many states they can be employed for hunting.

7. KATANA
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Katana swords are distinctive and deadly weapons can be traced back to 12th-century feudal Japan, where they were originally used by samurai. Their notoriety in more recent times has been given a significant boost by movie directors such as Akira Kurosawa and Quentin Tarantino, who have featured the swords prominently in some of their most popular works. Distinctions are made between different periods of Japanese sword construction, and this in turn can affect the legality of the blades. In Ireland, katana blades made after 1953 (known as shinsakuto) are banned. In 2008, blades over 20 inches long were outlawed in the United Kingdom following a number of attacks. In the U.S., however, such blades are legal to own; and in New York, for example, although it is generally forbidden to carry these weapons in public, even then there are exceptions.

6. GRENADE LAUNCHER
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A grenade launcher is a weapon you might expect to see in open warfare, but owning one is actually permitted in the U.S. under federal law – albeit with restrictions. Classified by the National Firearms Act as a destructive device, the grenade launcher is legal in many places, as long as owners have correctly registered the weapon and passed the necessary background checks. That said, those interested in procuring and using one may not be allowed to fire anything more explosive than flares. In 2005, when Seattle police were tipped off about a rocket launcher seen in a car, they promptly called the bomb squad and then confiscated the weapon – although they later confirmed that it was unloaded and therefore legal to possess.

5. UMBRELLA SWORD
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It’s amazing what can be concealed in a seemingly ordinary umbrella. Perhaps best known as the weapon of choice for suave British spy John Steed in 1960s TV series The Avengers, umbrellas with concealed blades remain legal in a number of places. In the U.K., such concealed weapons are apparently legal to trade if they are over 100 years old – and thus antique. Meanwhile, in the U.S. the blades are only banned in New York, California and Massachusetts. Perhaps most startling of all, though, is the fact that umbrella swords with 15-inch-long blades are available online for as little as $30.

4. ONE-HANDED FLAIL
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The flail is a medieval weapon that’s instantly familiar. It looks devastating, but its origins actually lie in hand-held agricultural threshing tools used in various countries – in parts of Europe as well as Korea, Japan and China – during the Middle Ages. A number of variations emerged as this improvised weapon took shape, including versions with single or multiple iron balls at the end of the chain, and double-handled versions that evolved into weapons such as nunchaku. Though the days of peasant armies wielding them may be over, these archaic weapons are still legal in parts of the U.S., although not in the states of New York, New Jersey, California, Massachusetts or Pennsylvania.

3. MINIGUN
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The name Minigun actually originally related to a particular gun model made by General Electric, but it has gone on to become a more generalized term to describe all rifle-caliber Gatling-type guns that are externally powered, and indeed various other similarly configured guns. These ferocious cannons feature multiple, revolving barrels and high rates of fire – in the case of the M134 Minigun, up to 6,000 rounds a minute. Astonishingly, such large, deadly weapons are legal to own in the U.S. owing to a law passed in 1986 that permitted ownership of any fully automatic weapon built prior to that year. That said, the process of obtaining one may prove difficult and expensive. Relatively few miniguns make it onto market, and even then one is likely to set prospective buyers back roughly $400,000. Then there’s the fact that firing the weapon costs approximately $60 a second thanks to the price of the ammunition.

2. CHAIN WHIP
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Predominantly associated with traditional Chinese martial arts, the chain whip generally comprises a handle with a series of flexible metal links leading to a spiked slashing point at the other end. The weapon is capable of moving faster than the human eye can perceive, so users sometimes attach cloth flags to the end of the chain to create extra clues as to its location. This, combined with the extra stability the flags provide, helps prevent people from injuring themselves. Designs vary in length, and this intimidating weapon is also highly concealable owing to its flexibility and short handle. Nevertheless, it remains legal to own in most parts of the U.S.

1. FLAMETHROWER
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As the name suggests, a flamethrower is an incendiary weapon that shoots out a torrent of fire. After their use in World War I, modern flamethrowers increased in usage and featured in other major 20th-century conflicts. Still, the usage of these weapons has been controversial in view of the dreadful way in which victims die, and the U.S. military ceased using them in the late 1970s.

While military flamethrowers use combustible liquid, commercial flamethrowers like those utilized in agriculture often employ high-pressure gas. When it comes to the civilian arena, America has a different approach to other countries, and privately owning a flamethrower is not forbidden under federal law. Still, these devices are controlled in certain states, including California, where possession of one without a license could result in a one-year prison term or a fine of up to $10,000. In contrast, possession of one of these weapons in the U.K. can lead to a jail sentence as long as ten years
 
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