For my fellow Pakistani members.

[Shot-Caller]

Do you people also think that Indian members here on PDF are giving up on defending the surgical strike claim?

I think they also doubt the claims in their hearts but won't share the doubts with us for obvious reasons.

Are they defending the claims because they actually believe a strike happened or is it just because they have no other options?

Do you believe them when they say they don't want their government to show any proof because their government has denied to show proofs?

I think deep down they are doubtful about these strikes.

Please share your thoughts.

 

[The Sandman]

Are they defending the claims because they actually believe a strike happened or is it just because they have no other options?

You answered it yourself.

 

[Shot-Caller]

You answered it yourself.

So you also think they don't actually believe a strike happened.

 

[The Sandman]

So you also think they don't actually believe a strike happened.

Some of them have realized it that their gov, media and military lied to them there are sensible and sane people in India too.

 

[JOEY TRIBIANI]

Do you people also think that Indian members here on PDF are giving up on defending the surgical strike claim?

I think they also doubt the claims in their hearts but won't share the doubts with us for obvious reasons.

Are they defending the claims because they actually believe a strike happened or is it just because they have no other options?

Do you believe them when they say they don't want their government to show any proof because their government has denied to show proofs?

I think deep down they are doubtful about these strikes.

Please share your thoughts.

They got stuck between a lie and patriotism and at the end become a laughing stock .
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Mark my words "After some time they will giveup as they themself knows the truth "
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Off topic : hum log bhi to kesay chaskay ley ley k unko jala rahey .

 

[Shot-Caller]

Some of them have realized it that their gov, media and military lied to them there are sensible and sane people in India too.

Yeah I also noticed some of the senior ones are keeping away from related threads.

 

[The Sandman]

Yeah I also noticed some of the senior ones are keeping away from related threads.

As i said.

 

[Hakikat ve Hikmet]

Here’s this Fakir’s take-aways from this fiasco:

• It’s the indicator for a change of Baht for the Paks.
  
• It has proved that the confidence that Pak’s few good friends put on her is justified.
  
• With the unlimited credit lines in almost all major Capitals India couldn’t “isolate” Pak.
  
• Even with severe constraints in all fields – diplomatic, economic, defense etc.- Pak has still managed to prevent India from stealing the show.
  
• One by one the hurdles that India webbed around the Pak’s path are being removed. Projects like CPEC have now much better chances to be realized.
  
• IMHO, this is the first time in Pak’s history of encounters with India the gain factor is so high.
  
• As for Ehl-i Iman, Jemalet, I think, is knocking at the door.
  

 

[GreenFalcon]

Here’s this Fakir’s take-aways from this fiasco:

• It’s the indicator for a change of Baht for the Paks.
  
• It has proved that the confidence that Pak’s few good friends put on her is justified.
  
• With the unlimited credit lines in almost all major Capitals India couldn’t “isolate” Pak.
  
• Even with severe constraints in all fields – diplomatic, economic, defense etc.- Pak has still managed to prevent India from stealing the show.
  
• One by one the hurdles that India webbed around the Pak’s path are being removed. Projects like CPEC have now much better chances to be realized.
  
• IMHO, this is the first time in Pak’s history of encounters with India the gain factor is so high.
  
• As for Ehl-i Iman, Jemalet, I think, is knocking at the door.

Very well said bro, These past 15 years were very crucial for Pakistan because it was facing heat from both sides of the border and internally. According to the 'powers that be' Pakistan was supposed to end up like Syria, Iraq, Afghanistan, and Libya, but fortunately we got out it in one piece(literally). Operation Zarb-e-Azb is one the main reason why we are still here, so India has lost all hope and now its going for a face to face confrontation. Other reasons for Pakistan's security are the unbreakable bonds that Pakistan has with brotherly nations, especailly Turkey and China.

 

[Awi]

It's evident from what we read here now. They are asking us to stop talking about it, saying, "if you think it didn't happen then why mention it", "don't talk about it", "burry it now, and we will see when proof comes out" etc etc. it's just because they know it was a fake strike, when they hear the name of Surgical Strikes from us they can't carry on due to the shame, so they want us to stop mentioning it. But we don't have to let this Sir-G-Kal strike fiasco die, we have to throw it at them again and again unless they don't come out clean.

 

[scionoftheindus]

No..I completely believe army's version even if they don't produce any evidence..in fact I would say no need to produce any evidence to anyone..let them deny it and army can keep on entering into Pqkistan held kashmir and killing terrorists.
The thing is no army officer would come out and blatantly lie to the world..they could have used other sources to spread rumours but they didn't do that..a high ranking army officer came in front of media and declared in Broadday light that they did it..you people are doubting IA version because your army has had a history of faking and doing false propaganda..but IA is a highly credible institution with a lot of respect and honour in india..they would not stoop to such level..if you remember well,a week before strikes a website called quint published that IA killed 20 terrorists in PHK but army denied it.They never claim anything that they haven't done.
Anyway if you have any doubts,thry should have been cleared yesterday when praveen swami,a highly credible journalist published proof in indian express.
You can't point fingers at his integrity.

 

[Zarvan]

Do you people also think that Indian members here on PDF are giving up on defending the surgical strike claim?

I think they also doubt the claims in their hearts but won't share the doubts with us for obvious reasons.

Are they defending the claims because they actually believe a strike happened or is it just because they have no other options?

Do you believe them when they say they don't want their government to show any proof because their government has denied to show proofs?

I think deep down they are doubtful about these strikes.

Please share your thoughts.

I seriously don't know although I would like to assume they are not that childish but you never know. If they really believe this crap that their Army entered our area which is protected by mines and radars and motion sensors and cameras along with massive deployment and huge number of posts and the surgical strike started at 12:30 midnight to 4:30 morning and Pakistan Army failed to respond which has fought war against most brutal militant group for past 10 years than either Indians are way to naive or totally blinded by their patriotism. Because believing this crap takes some serious shit.

 

[krakatoa]

No..I completely believe army's version even if they don't produce any evidence..in fact I would say no need to produce any evidence to anyone..let them deny it and army can keep on entering into Pqkistan held kashmir and killing terrorists.
The thing is no army officer would come out and blatantly lie to the world..they could have used other sources to spread rumours but they didn't do that..a high ranking army officer came in front of media and declared in Broadday light that they did it..you people are doubting IA version because your army has had a history of faking and doing false propaganda..but IA is a highly credible institution with a lot of respect and honour in india..they would not stoop to such level..if you remember well,a week before strikes a website called quint published that IA killed 20 terrorists in PHK but army denied it.They never claim anything that they haven't done.
Anyway if you have any doubts,thry should have been cleared yesterday when praveen swami,a highly credible journalist published proof in indian express.
You can't point fingers at his integrity.

dont share the proofs because these might reveal the tactics of your army deployed but not even coordinates?

 

[scionoftheindus]

dont share the proofs because these might reveal the tactics of your army deployed but not even coordinates?

Wait ..they will be released at appropriate time

 

[cleverrider]

IF anything big like "Surgical Strikes" happened with the same causalities India claimed. What makes you think PA would have not replied in the same tone if not worse.


Multiple targets, waiting to cross or chilling next to the LOC, WTF. like these bad men were about to take over Kashmir. They are making it up as they go along.


Army men dying every day across the country, a limited war with India would probably result in less casualties than WOT, much worse for India. No reply means in itself that it is all made up crap.



They might have come in a few yards and went straight back out after alarming the PA. But nothing else or much more, PA have done that in the past and can do something similar again.