For all non-Chinese: You don't have the right to tell what China should do. Unless you take responsibility for the consequence.

[Viet]

So far the output of giving up zero covid policy in China is not good. Too many people got sick and can not work. Streets in Beijing is almost empty. Many stores are closed. The business environment is worse than lockdown time. Experts said the situation will be better when most people recover from the disease. I hope they are right. Otherwise Chinese will not only lose freedom like today, also will lose their health.

At first Chinese government planed to gradually open up. It never said the zero covid policy would last forever. Maybe it would be a better time to open up when the Omicron vaccine is for sale or when the weather is warmer. Obviously the anti-quarantine protests disrupted the plan. Now we all see the result of Chinese government’s concession to public opinion has once again been proven to be bad. Is west democracy really better than China’s political system? The realities don’t support that. This is the reason I’m always against election politics.

Let’s talk those non-Chinese who supported China’s anti-quarantine protesters. What you will pay if the protesters are wrong? What compensation you will make to China if the policy you suggested turned out to be a disaster? Nothing. Instead now you are mocking how inefficient Chinese vaccines are. Assume as you said Chinese vaccines are indeed inefficient. You just know that today? Hasn’t the west media said that long ago? So why you supported those naive protesters if you actually knew that?

We all should blame USA. Who not only likes verbally lecturing to other countries’ policies, but also is the boss of all kinds of color revolutions. And after those countries collapsed, it leaves all messes to them without any compensation. Dare USA say it doesn’t have any responsibility for Ukraine’s tragedy? Who funded 2014 Ukraine’s color revolution and enticed Ukrainians to join in the west camp?

All victim countries that suffered from US interfering others internal affairs should sue US to International Court of Justice for compensations. China should join in the accusation.

This forum is a place for entertainment you shouldn’t take everything too serious. As for corona you can slow down but can’t stop the spread of the virus, that’s impossible. All pandemics have the same structure.
I think China will go thru the waves of infections and deaths like Vietnam. Then after hard months it’s over. We both have similar structures in gene and politics. Look at Vietnam infection rate. very low. Or death rate. It’s 0 since months.

 

[Menthol]

I support China's Zero-Covid policy.

But the Zero-Covid policy will not last long.

And the Covid effect is already no longer dangerous as before by a large margin.

If China wants to reopen, they should mass vaccinate all the people first, especially the elderly, with the vaccine that includes the latest variant of Covid-19.

And preparing public healthcare for the significant increase of Covid patients, despite most just mild.

As well as publishing a guide to the public on how to treat Covid sickness by themselves.

In less than a year, everyone in China will forget about Covid.


I believe, by seeing China government's track record, they can do it very well.

Except, they don't do it, because of the unexpected sudden protest.

 

[beijingwalker]

I would say around 60-70% of Beijing's population had already been infected so far, The herd immunity of Beijing is within the reach of a couple of weeks.

 

[etylo]

This forum is a place for entertainment you shouldn’t take everything too serious. As for corona you can slow down but can’t stop the spread of the virus, that’s impossible. All pandemics have the same structure.
I think China will go thru the waves of infections and deaths like Vietnam. Then after hard months it’s over. We both have similar structures in gene and politics. Look at Vietnam infection rate. very low. Or death rate. It’s 0 since months.

Not very likely, China hasnt give up every control measure yet as just lying flat as Vietnam did, plus, the health care system is much better in China to deal with the outbreak compared to Vietnam I guess.

Can you take a Chinese vaccine in US?


Today is the sixth day after I was infected, I am largely fine by now, I would say 95% recovered, just a little bit cough still lingers around. I took Sinovac a year ago.

I think the vaccine is really effective for 6 months. I already had mine third shot a month ago.

 

[Viet]

Not very likely, China hasnt give up every control measure yet as just lying flat as Vietnam did, plus, the health care system is much better in China to deal with the outbreak compared to Vietnam I guess.


I think the vaccine is really effective for 6 months. I already had mine third shot a month ago.

Well, that’s true Vietnam has less money we can’t close the business down for too long we wouldn’t survive. China hasn’t approved any artificial spike protein vaccines yet. Until that happens, of course Ccp can’t loose restrictions.

 

[beijingwalker]

China hasn’t approved any artificial spike protein vaccines yet. Until that happens, of course Ccp can’t loose restrictions.

94% of US population had been infected, the rest of the world never had a choice while China does.

Just 1 in 20 people in the U.S. have dodged COVID infection so far, study says

There are two big reasons the infection rate has reached this surprising level, according to the researchers.

www.mercurynews.com

 

[Stranagor]

So far the output of giving up zero covid policy in China is not good. Too many people got sick and can not work. Streets in Beijing is almost empty. Many stores are closed. The business environment is worse than lockdown time. Experts said the situation will be better when most people recover from the disease. I hope they are right. Otherwise Chinese will not only lose freedom like today, also will lose their health.

At first Chinese government planed to gradually open up. It never said the zero covid policy would last forever. Maybe it would be a better time to open up when the Omicron vaccine is for sale or when the weather is warmer. Obviously the anti-quarantine protests disrupted the plan. Now we all see the result of Chinese government’s concession to public opinion has once again been proven to be bad. Is west democracy really better than China’s political system? The realities don’t support that. This is the reason I’m always against election politics.

Let’s talk those non-Chinese who supported China’s anti-quarantine protesters. What you will pay if the protesters are wrong? What compensation you will make to China if the policy you suggested turned out to be a disaster? Nothing. Instead now you are mocking how inefficient Chinese vaccines are. Assume as you said Chinese vaccines are indeed inefficient. You just know that today? Hasn’t the west media said that long ago? So why you supported those naive protesters if you actually knew that?

We all should blame USA. Who not only likes verbally lecturing to other countries’ policies, but also is the boss of all kinds of color revolutions. And after those countries collapsed, it leaves all messes to them without any compensation. Dare USA say it doesn’t have any responsibility for Ukraine’s tragedy? Who funded 2014 Ukraine’s color revolution and enticed Ukrainians to join in the west camp?

All victim countries that suffered from US interfering others internal affairs should sue US to International Court of Justice for compensations. China should join in the accusation.

You should have walked in step with the rest of the world, not against it.

You should have learned from world experience (US, India, France, Italy, Turkey, whatever), not mock it for political points in defense of a party-state system that badly governed the pandemic.

Lockdown and quarantine took their tolls on China, including 20 pct official youth unemployment and disrupted economy. People faced immense economic and psychological pressure.

It was people demanding opening up, and it is genuine, not foreign.

But, just as lockdowns were badly managed, opening up is badly managed too.

Because, the government failed to see that virus was here to stay and the only way out is controlled opening up which should have started two years ago.

Your post does not lament the hardships endured or the potential difficulties to come due to failed government policies. You lament for more dark clouds on the horizon for your party-state.

In the US which some keep mocking, mismanagement led to the democratic overthrow of the government in elections.

The question is: who is to be held responsible in China for the failure?

I know it. Officials down below who are already scared to death because they know they will be put on the chopping block as a scapegoat. In fact, this fear has created countless mistakes, from over- zealousness (putting people in truck cages) to lack of timely action.

Responsibility and accountability. If you want to seek culprits, look near. See who lacks these two.

Bitter irony is: Pandemic begun in China. It may end in China, as well. Hopefully, with as little damage possible.

 

[etylo]

China hasn’t approved any artificial spike protein vaccines yet. Until that happens, of course Ccp can’t loose restrictions.

The Chinese vaccinations are good enough for preventing big outbreak now. EU and US still have significant number of deaths even after large vaccinations.

 

[beijingwalker]

In the US which some keep mocking, mismanagement led to the democratic overthrow of the government in elections.

Never seen that happens, US is infested with social problems and public woes, not even one thing can be fixed, this is why even Musk says that Chinese government is more responsive to the public moods than US government.

 

[Viet]

94% of US population had been infected, the rest of the world never had a choice while China does.

Just 1 in 20 people in the U.S. have dodged COVID infection so far, study says

There are two big reasons the infection rate has reached this surprising level, according to the researchers.

www.mercurynews.com

What you think how many viruses and bacteria variants are circulating in your body? thousands if not millions of different kinds. This virus is just one of them. And you see you and me are not dead yet. Virus has no brain it just wants to spread to survive. Human immune system will deal with it.
About why death rate in some countries especially in the US is higher than other, that’s another story.
That has much to do with individual countries health care systems.

 

[etylo]

You should have walked in step with the rest of the world, not against it.

You should have learned from world experience (US, India, France, Italy, Turkey, whatever), not mock it for political points in defense of a party-state system that badly governed the pandemic.

Lockdown and quarantine took their tolls on China, including 20 pct official youth unemployment and disrupted economy. People faced immense economic and psychological pressure.

It was people demanding opening up, and it is genuine, not foreign.

But, just as lockdowns were badly managed, opening up is badly managed too.

Because, the government failed to see that virus was here to stay and the only way out is controlled opening up which should have started two years ago.

Your post does not lament the hardships endured or the potential difficulties to come due to failed government policies. You lament for more dark clouds on the horizon for your party-state.

In the US which some keep mocking, mismanagement led to the democratic overthrow of the government in elections.

The question is: who is to be held responsible in China for the failure?

I know it. Officials down below who are already scared to death because they know they will be put on the chopping block as a scapegoat. In fact, this fear has created countless mistakes, from over- zealousness (putting people in truck cages) to lack of timely action.

Responsibility and accountability. If you want to seek culprits, look near. See who lacks these two.

Bitter irony is: Pandemic begun in China. It may end in China, as well. Hopefully, with as little damage possible.

Maybe, China should have learned from Russia on how to deal with the pandemic in the first place.

 

[nahtanbob]

Can you take a Chinese vaccine in US?

If it is approved by the FDA sure. No one is stopping Chinese companies from getting FDA approval

 

[beijingwalker]

What you think how many viruses and bacteria variants are circulating in your body? thousands if not millions of different kinds. This virus is just one of them. And you see you and me are not dead yet.

US vaccines don't work better than China's, otherwise you won't see these many infections and deaths there.

If it is approved by the FDA sure. No one is stopping Chinese companies from getting FDA approval

China can say the same to US vaccines

 

[Stranagor]

Never seen that happens, US is infested with social problems and public woes, not even one thing can be fixed, this is why even Musk says that Chinese government is more responsive to the public moods than US government.

Musk has the freedom to speak his mind, even stupid political points on which he has no expertise.

I would like to see, for example, Ma Yun speaking his mind as freely.

Maybe, China should have learned from Russia on how to deal with the pandemic in the first place.

Russian attitude was basically go with the wind. Probably more loose than the US. And much less testing and reporting. It opened up much earlier, as well.

I believe China should have done a mass vaccination move, keep educating people on COVID prevention, rather than scaring them to death, rein on the state media which spread virus terror on the one hand and mockery of opened up countries, on the other.

For political points, they mocked US and India, but they forgot that most of the world followed a similar path and endured similar difficulties.

They also did not see that they were probably mocking their future self.

 

[beijingwalker]

Musk has the freedom to speak his mind, even stupid political points on which he has no expertise.

Not only him, many people who visited China made very similar comment, you think Musk is just talking nonsense and China government doesn't care about what the public think and feel?