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Flying MiG violates right to life: Officer

I thought that so called LCA was going to replace the Mig's and you guys still haven't finalized anything with the french yet on Rafales.... looks like IAF is desperate to get day to day operations by.

Right with around 200 sukhois,60 mig-29s,130 jaguars,phalcon awacs and 50 mirage 2000s we are desperate..........
Mig-21 is just low end make up numbers fighter that hasn't been replaced due to flawed policy and development delay of tejas.
 
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I bet he didnt literally mean tht... no sane country wants to lose pilots... also most of times i read indian govt blaming the pilots instead of the aircraft? anyways... the flying hours u quoted are not too unique... professional airforce pilots have the same flying hours...

Also do provide a source for th flying hour thing.. thanks in advance..

What he meant was that he would never sacrifice pilot quality for pilot safety.
The worst pilot is one who never flies.
220 hrs is more or less standard for IAF new platforms.
Older platforms may do 180-200 hrs.
Sukhoi top guns 250+.
Clearly stated from various previous sources,including IAF sources and US airforce pilots too who trained in exercises.

Not too unique as in among the highest in the world.Far higher than say PLaaf or Rusaf.

And even excellent air forces crash fighters,
luftwaffe crashed around 300 of its 900 f-104 starfighters[same gen aircraft as mig-21],usaf crashed 272 of even f-16s.
 
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being delayed by implicit actions of MoD and IAF brass, to ensure they can keep importing foreign equipment...

Can't you guys make stopgap mig21s until LCA goes to mass production??
 
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India bureaucratic hurdles create this situation. MIG-21 would be retired decade ago.
 
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Indian pilot fight for the right to live?

Indian government should starve their population and order 1000 new generation of fighter jets to uphold the right to life for Indian pilot.
 
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It is right that when these pilots decide to put on that uniform they are supposed to take risks . But the Govt. also has the responsibility to ensure that our soldiers/pilots gets the best equipments that also ensure their safety .

A 1000 salutes to our pilots who are flying these outdated machines and to our soldiers who walk into the battlefields even w/o having bpj's to wear .


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Rs 200,000 crores per year for a free food poll gimmick and there's no money for buying new aircraft which cost almost ten times less over a thirty year period?? These damn price negotiations for the Rafale will carry on till the bl00dy cows come home. Pilots don't vote. That's the problem!

Meanwhile more pilots may perish. Is anyone in the establishment even bothered, seeing that they are more concerned about 'puppy' remarks! Jeeez! We suck!
 
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Oh come on, you put on that uniform you take risks. Did this person think working as a pilot is going to be a cake walk. It's part of the job.

Besides, you guys are getting more orders from your own industry, France, and Russia, a flanker variant, if I'm not mistaken. As well as the new MIG-29 or something?

Problem solved.

My friend those deals have to materialize.

It takes decades to negotiate a contract by our pathetic politicians.

I heard of the MRCA when I was in college. Now it is going to be almost 10 years since I started working

We have a lot in the pipeline but it remains in the pipe because of corrupt and lazy politicians.


The biggest hurdle is CCS in acquiring weapons platform. After that it is the MOD top brass.


Our MOD doesn't have representatives of operating levels from the military service arms and therefore the clueless civilians screw everything up.

Your defense minister is a general who knows what is going on in the battlefield while in our case our defense minister didn't even know that a contingent of Army had mobilized from another city into Delhi.

The corrupt government feared that its going to be a coup (unfortunately that was not the case).

Rs 200,000 crores per year for a free food poll gimmick and there's no money for buying new aircraft which cost almost ten times less over a thirty year period?? These damn price negotiations for the Rafale will carry on till the bl00dy cows come home. Pilots don't vote. That's the problem!

Meanwhile more pilots may perish. Is anyone in the establishment even bothered, seeing that they are more concerned about 'puppy' remarks! Jeeez! We suck!


Aur vote do 'secoolar Gandhiwadi Congress' ko....
 
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Our MOD doesn't have representatives of operating levels from the military service arms and therefore the clueless civilians screw everything up.
These pansies at the helm in the MoD know next to crap about military affairs and they boss over a 1.5 million defence force!! That's a tragedy of galactic proportions. Imagine, there's the top rung in the MoD staffed with knuckleheads who have been cooling their a$$es in ministries such as Panchayati Raj and Minority affairs, Animal Husbandry, Food processing, social welfare etc! WTF do they know about defence related matters? :angry:

And some of these bafooons of the rank of under secretaries have the audacity to write directly to the chief, as if they own the Army!!!

Mera Bharat Mahan!
 
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What he meant was that he would never sacrifice pilot quality for pilot safety.
The worst pilot is one who never flies.
220 hrs is more or less standard for IAF new platforms.
Older platforms may do 180-200 hrs.
Sukhoi top guns 250+.
Clearly stated from various previous sources,including IAF sources and US airforce pilots too who trained in exercises.

Not too unique as in among the highest in the world.Far higher than say PLaaf or Rusaf.

Sir source would be helpful... as for chinese airforce... its pretty secretive .. dnt know abt the russians...but again all truely professional forces like Usaf,Israeli AF,PAF etc have similiar flyin hours..

And even excellent air forces crash fighters,
luftwaffe crashed around 300 of its 900 f-104 starfighters[same gen aircraft as mig-21],usaf crashed 272 of even f-16s.

Lyfrwaffe had 915 Starfighters out of which 270 crashes due to several issues... like inexperienced rookie pilots rushed into service without experience to fly a type of jet which is very hard to fly,harsh weather,inexperienced conscripts as ground crew,engine issues,variable afterburner nozzle, and contamination of the Starfighter's liquid oxygen system causing loss of consciousness of the pilots... etc... but after sorting out issues the problem was fixed later.. although they were replaced by tornados.. also the norwegians suffered only six losses in 56,000 flying hours, while the Spanish lost not a single one of its Starfighters to accidents.


As for USAF here is a list n reasons.... :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...S_ngT8PamNC9LxdM8aCtz3A&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg


Again IAF has crashes well over 1100-1200 or more jets since 4 decades...
 
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Indian pilot fight for the right to live?

Indian government should starve their population and order 1000 new generation of fighter jets to uphold the right to life for Indian pilot.

You don't have a single hostile nation on your borders,we have 2 nuclear armed ones.Yet ur nation is doing worlwide rampage with it military,and here u come like some arrogant redneck runt and lecture us on our right to self defense!
 
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Indian pilot fight for the right to live?

Indian government should starve their population and order 1000 new generation of fighter jets to uphold the right to life for Indian pilot.

You seem to be new here.

Welcome. :D

BTW, quit it really. The game you're playing has been done and tried by immature kids many times over.
 
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Sir source would be helpful... as for chinese airforce... its pretty secretive .. dnt know abt the russians...but again all truely professional forces like Usaf,Israeli AF,PAF etc have similiar flyin hours..



Lyfrwaffe had 915 Starfighters out of which 270 crashes due to several issues... like inexperienced rookie pilots rushed into service without experience to fly a type of jet which is very hard to fly,harsh weather,inexperienced conscripts as ground crew,engine issues,variable afterburner nozzle, and contamination of the Starfighter's liquid oxygen system causing loss of consciousness of the pilots... etc... but after sorting out issues the problem was fixed later.. although they were replaced by tornados.. also the norwegians suffered only six losses in 56,000 flying hours, while the Spanish lost not a single one of its Starfighters to accidents.


As for USAF here is a list n reasons.... :

https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct...S_ngT8PamNC9LxdM8aCtz3A&bvm=bv.49405654,d.dmg


Again IAF has crashes well over 1100-1200 or more jets since 4 decades...

IAF flying hrs faced crisis after breakup of soviet union and shortage of spares and declined 120 hrs/yr during early 1990.
By 1999-2000,it was back to 180-200.Flying hours started to increase with economic upsurge from after 2000 and arrival of sukhois which are flogged.
Now...Standard mki and mirage pilots[jets with excellent serviceability] get 220-230 hrs standard,sukhoi top guns get 250+[some even said around 300 but thats pretty difficult to achieve so probabaly exaggeration].
Jaguar pilots also get very high flying hours[as bombing mission sorties are longer] and around 220-230 perhaps more.
Mig-29s get around 200 due to maintainence i think.
The older migs 180.Sometimes maybe even a little less 160-170.
Flying hrs also depend on age and experience of pilots,young pilots undergo high flying hrs,Veteran older pilots switch to flight instructor role on twin seaters to guide young pilots on 2 seat trainers in squadrons so fly little lesser.
As for links,bharatrakshak has written articles in the past.
Aviation week magazine also stated 250 flying hrs for best pilots.
On f-16 net us pilots who took part in exercises confirmed 200-250 flying hrs.

As for PLAAF,numerous sources quote fighters with around 120 flying hrs.
''ANSHAN, China, March 24, 2007 – In a move toward openness, Chinese military officials let the chairman of the Joint Chiefs of Staff examine their top-of-the-line combat aircraft and allowed him to speak with pilots and ground personnel here.

Marine Gen. Peter Pace and his party toured Anshan Air Base, home of the Chinese People’s Liberation Army Air Force’s 1st Air Division, and he examined a Chinese-built Su-27 fighter-bomber. The base was part of a visit to the Shenyang Military Region.

The 1st Air Division has three flying regiments and has Su-27s, F-8s and F-7Es. The Su-27 is the top of the food chain for the PLA Air Force, and Pace was the first American to get such a close look at the aircraft, senior Chinese officials said.

NATO pilots know the aircraft by the code name Flanker, and former Soviet Union engineers designed it to counter the American F-15 Eagle. The Su-27 was engineered to be an air superiority fighter and the Chinese still use it in that role, but they also can use it as a precision ground-attack aircraft. The Russians licensed the Chinese to build the plane in China.

The Su-27 does have some drawbacks. Some of the avionic packages are Russian, and the “warranty isn’t the best,” said a U.S. military official speaking on background. There is no air-to-air refueling capability for the Su-27, and that limits the Flanker to a range of about 1,500 kilometers.

Pace, Army Command Sgt. Maj. William J. Gainey, the senior enlisted advisor to the chairman, and Air Force Brig. Gen. Ralph Jodice, the defense attaché at the American embassy in Beijing, climbed into the cockpit of the aircraft. In addition, Chinese pilots flew four aircraft around the airfield to give the chairman and his party a small look at what the aircraft can do in the air.


While he said examining the aircraft was good, Pace said he was even more interested in the PLA Air Force personnel. The chairman spoke to pilots and enlisted men about their service, the qualities of their aircraft and their training and experience of the personnel. He said they were highly motivated and impressed him with their professionalism.

Chinese officials said all their pilots are college graduates and that 96 percent of them are capable of handling complex air operations. The officials said pilots average 120 hours of flying time per year with most of their training centered on tactical considerations. Roughly 35 percent of pilot training is at night. They said they had about 130 pilots for the 100 aircraft in the unit.

In comparison, U.S. Air Force pilots average about 250 flying hours per year and there are roughly 120 pilots per 100 aircraft.

Pace thanked the Chinese personnel for their work. He said their efforts are helping to bring China and the United States closer together. Pace told the airmen that the United States and China have many common national interests and that it is in Asia’s and the world’s interest for the two countries to cooperate.

During the visit, the base commander pinned a set of Chinese pilot wings on Pace’s uniform. Pace told the commander, and all the pilots he met, that, “while I did not earn the wings, I will wear them as a compliment to your professionalism.”

That was average pilot.Top line PLAAF pilots are reported to fly around 180-200.
 
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I bet he didnt literally mean tht... no sane country wants to lose pilots... also most of times i read indian govt blaming the pilots instead of the aircraft? anyways... the flying hours u quoted are not too unique... professional airforce pilots have the same flying hours...

Also do provide a source for th flying hour thing.. thanks in advance..

Politicians are meant for that ONLY...rightly shown in movie "Rang de Basanti"
 
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