First Sino-American War will Inflict Catastrophic Losses on China, says Rand Report

[xunzi]

And you are wrong.

We 'entertain' all options that are feasible to US. When I was on the F-111, one of those options have a four-ship formation go low altitude all the way to Moscow.

If the war requires it, we will invade mainland China. And we can. You guys can start howling to the Moon on how it would be impossible for US, and it would not bother me one whit. I am not in this forum to convince anyone. I present facts and opinions. Take them any way you like.

But the most likely scenario is going to be that the PLAN will be defeated at sea and at home. The PLAAF will present statistically minimal resistance as most PLAAF fighters will be gone, either from air-air combat or from being bombed into wreckage or even PLAAF airfields rendered ineffective due to runway denial operations by US.

You can't do shit. You never fought a modern navy, army, or air force. You think you are invincible because you fought some desert militiant? LOL

Like I said, our house is pretty big. You know where to find us. I know one thing for sure, if we fight a war with you, we will delicate our war effort in destroying all of your bases and allies in the Pacific. So let not wake our people up into a war mindset. Remember we make more steel than the rest of the WWII and WWI COMBINE!

 

[gambit]

You can't do shit. You never fought a modern navy, army, or air force.

And your PLA fought anyone comparable ? In Viet Nam, all China did was provide support troops. In 1979, you got your butt handed to you by the Viets.

 

[xunzi]

And your PLA fought anyone comparable ? In Viet Nam, all China did was provide support troops. In 1979, you got your butt handed to you by the Viets.

LOL 1979, we got tired of destroying the Vietnamese so we left as we already accomplished the goal.

Why don't you go ask the Indian how it felt to fight us? LOL

 

[gambit]

LOL 1979, we got tired of destroying the Vietnamese so we left as we already accomplished the goal.

Why don't you go ask the Indian how it felt to fight us? LOL

I could ask the Viets. After all, even the most neutral military analysts concluded that your PLA did badly in that little border conflict.

 

[Zsari]

And you are wrong.

We 'entertain' all options that are feasible to US. When I was on the F-111, one of those options have a four-ship formation go low altitude all the way to Moscow.

If the war requires it, we will invade mainland China. And we can. You guys can start howling to the Moon on how it would be impossible for US, and it would not bother me one whit. I am not in this forum to convince anyone. I present facts and opinions. Take them any way you like.

But the most likely scenario is going to be that the PLAN will be defeated at sea and at home. The PLAAF will present statistically minimal resistance as most PLAAF fighters will be gone, either from air-air combat or from being bombed into wreckage or even PLAAF airfields rendered ineffective due to runway denial operations by US.

There are "options" that military planners would draw up including nuking the entire planet, and there are options the decision makers would have to limit themselves to. Not understanding the difference and life will be full of disappointmens.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

There is not going to be any war between two great global powers. It does not matter what troublemakers say or think.

If such a dangerous day ever arrives then entire NE asia will be toast. China does not have to do anything about it. NK will launch attack on SK and JP out of pure panic. Till now China has been a restraining influence on NK in a positve sense.

Also troublemakers forget that Chinese have also been busy working out all possible scenarios.

IF anyone thinks that PLA will just sit idle and let all the naval, airforce and land defensive infrastructure be destroyed by the troublemakers then they are mistaken.

This whole thing is about the entery of RMB on 1 Oct to SDR basket. With gradual increase of RMB in global trade and as global reserve currency...the dollar is not going to be in a good shape.

Without free printing the money and financing wars for free..all their weapons becomes useless.

This is the key problem. This is why we see and will keep seeing these threats coming. There are going to a lot of 'shows of force' and tall claims...so we must show Virtue and be patient. Storms never lost for long.

The best thing is a peaceful and gradual decline in the dollar status. China must help the US in this.

Otherwise, all these asian countries will keep working to subsides the dollar that has lost almost 80% of its value since the 1970s. Just ask the american middle class.

So let us all hope for peace and prosperity. America should join OBOR for the good of humanity.

 

[T-Rex]

There is not going to be any war between two great global powers. It does not matter what troublemakers say or think.

If such a dangerous day ever arrives then entire NE asia will be toast. China does not have to do anything about it. NK will launch attack on SK and JP out of pure panic. Till now China has been a restraining influence on NK in a positve sense.

Also troublemakers forget that Chinese have also been busy working out all possible scenarios.

IF anyone thinks that PLA will just sit idle and let all the naval, airforce and land defensive infrastructure be destroyed by the troublemakers then they are mistaken.

This whole thing is about the entery of RMB on 1 Oct to SDR basket. With gradual increase of RMB in global trade and as global reserve currency...the dollar is not going to be in a good shape.

Without free printing the money and financing wars for free..all their weapons becomes useless.

This is the key problem. This is why we see and will keep seeing these threats coming. There are going to a lot of 'shows of force' and tall claims...so we must show Virtue and be patient. Storms never lost for long.

The best thing is a peaceful and gradual decline in the dollar status. China must help the US in this.

Otherwise, all these asian countries will keep working to subsides the dollar that has lost almost 80% of its value since the 1970s. Just ask the american middle class.

So let us all hope for peace and prosperity. America should join OBOR for the good of humanity.

The US gets everything for free as it pays with dollar which can be printed by the US federal reserve.

 

[Mangus Ortus Novem]

The US gets everything for free as it pays with dollar which can be printed by the US federal reserve.

And that party is coming to an end. That is why you see all these fake problems created by the troublemakers. When RMB becomes the world reserve currency the balance of global power returns to asia after 500 years.

I hope friends could see what is at stake here and why there are so many challenges thrown at China and her iron brothers and true friends.

When asia becomes free, africa and south america will become free as well. The rule of global empire ends. Humanity can be free again.

But I fear the empire will not walk into the sunset in a peaceful way.

Let us all hope for peace and prosperity.

 

[T-Rex]

And that party is coming to an end. That is why you see all these fake problems created by the troublemakers. When RMB becomes the world reserve currency the balance of global power returns to asia after 500 years.

I hope friends could see what is at stake here and why there are so many challenges thrown at China and her iron brothers and true friends.

When asia becomes free, africa and south america will become free as well. The rule of global empire ends. Humanity can be free again.

But I fear the empire will not walk into the sunset in a peaceful way.

Let us all hope for peace and prosperity.

It sounds so good but I've been hearing about the US economy collapsing for at least a decade. I don't think it's going to collapse as long as China and Russia hold on to their US bonds. It seems like the US dollar will remain the world reserve currency at least for another five years. What will happen next that depends on what will happen between China, Russia on one side and the US and her allies on the other side during this period.

 

[Surya 1]

China prefers real action over bragging.

Like what you do in South China sea?

 

[xiao qi]

I could ask the Viets. After all, even the most neutral military analysts concluded that your PLA did badly in that little border conflict.

Don't underestimate Chinese. As my opinion, a larger portion based on our veteran's experience. Rank of the country with personal soldiers . From good to bad.
South Korean ( Some of our soldiers got confused when they encounter with South Korean soldiers. One man said : They fought better than American, good tactics, good commander, and very cruel)
Japan ( Vietnam rarely fight with Japanese in World War 2, but we always admire their bravery in a real war)
American ( Vietnamese didn't scare to confront with American, but they had too many bombs and strong naval, airforce)
Chinese ( My father defended Quang Ninh province in Vietnam- Sino War. So he admired Chinese artillery so much, he said with me, they fight while was supported by perfect shooting)
Pol Pot ( Pol Pot are mad army and braver than Chinese, also barbaric folks. Polpot has experience of war than Chinese. But Chinese has better tactics than them, if I must choose Chinese or Polpot to fight, I choose Chinese, If I was captured by Chinese, maybe i still live, Contrast with Polpot, i will be beheaded)
Thailand ( Maybe offensive, but one word our veterans use to describe : coward)

 

[GerhardA]

A lot of ultra nationalists here apparently. Mainly chinese thinking they can beat the whole world alone. The mongols and nazis were technologically superior to their enemies (mongols with their mounted archers and nazis with almost everything at the early part of WW2), yet they can't beat the whole world.

Your military isn't even close to being technologically superior to the US and you think you can beat the US, NATO, South East Asia, and India alone?

Sure with nukes you can destroy the main cities in the US but the US alone can literally turn all your cities and more into a nuclear wasteland. You guys must be crazy to think you can fight most of the developed world alone and win.

Rather than being a new power hungry superpower what about you guys rising into a peaceful and respectful superpower that is also abiding international law? It's understandable that you guys are proud of your newfound military and economy strength but your arrogance makes lots of countries despise you. Remember no country is an island. Everyone needs to respect and help each other.

Lol that was always US's dream for such scenario that they will get away without a scratch but US strategists known that US will be consume in the process of war with China,, All your bullsh1t is just a self comfort statement, if there is war with China, US will have chance to fight with a worthy adversay instead of cowardly bully small nations.

Same with what you guys are doing in the South China Sea right? If you want to mock the US for bullying small countries, make sure you are not a bully yourself.

 

[Kiss_of_the_Dragon]

Same with what you guys are doing in the South China Sea right? If you want to mock the US for bullying small countries, make sure you are not a bully yourself.

What are you talking about, who bully who? in contrary these small countries thought they have US's backing that give them the gut to bully China as what Pinoy warship did to our fish boat in Scarborough Shoal incident, to add insult to injure, these pinoys not only fail to bully China, their mentor was watching helplessly to see Chinese coast guard chase away Philippine navy and they lost forever the right to come closer to Scarborough Shoal.

This is the lesson for these small countries, try to use external power will never help them to solve SCS issue. I believe Indonesia is wiser not to do stupid thing as Philippine and Vietnam.

 

[GerhardA]

What are you talking about, who bully who? in contrary these small countries thought they have US's backing that give them the gut to bully China as what Pinoy warship did to our fish boat in Scarborough Shoal incident, to add insult to injure, these pinoys not only fail to bully China, their mentor was watching helplessly to see Chinese coast guard chase away Philippine navy and they lost forever the right to come closer to Scarborough Shoal.

This is the lesson for these small countries, try to use external power will never help them to solve SCS issue. I believe Indonesia is wiser not to do stupid thing as Philippine and Vietnam.

You ARE bullying the smaller ASEAN countries. The smaller countries are just defending their EEZ from your bogus claim. You only started claiming SCS after your military starts to rise after your economic boom. That means, before your military is strong, you know that such claims are crazy. If you claimed it from a long time and you have settlers there from a long time like in the case of Malvinas and the UK. Then sure you have historical basis. But you in fact don't.

Even worse, do you even understand how dumb it is to claim such a gigantic area using centuries old basis, when we now live in an era where there are international laws controling each country's EEZ and such?

If the Brits do the same, they can claim pretty much most of the world. If Indonesia does the same, they can claim huge chunks of South East Asia and some southern parts of China! Why? Because they ruled it in the era of Majapahit empire! And yet they don't do it because they know they need other countries and they know they should not piss off others!

Indonesia is in a safer spot because Natuna isn't included in your Nine Dash Line in order to try to befriend us. Yet you still **** around in the Natuna EEZ. You want to befriend us, yet you do stupid shit and you keep provoking our Navy.

In the case of Phillipines you chased away filipino ships when they are defending THEIR EEZ while you had nothing to do there, if we base things on UNCLOS! You know they can't do shit alone because they are weaker then you. If that's not textbook bullying I don't know what is.