First 'Silk Road' train arrives in Tehran from China

[That Guy]

@That Guy How do you think this will be affected by China's desire to move towards a consumer based economy?

Couldn't say for sure.

From what I can see, the Chinese main purpose to to create a "all roads lead to rome" sort of scenario, where trade flows in and out of China. Their goal may be to turn China into the financial hub of the world, much like how the US currently is. Basically, import cheap goods on mass to stimulate the consumer market, while transitioning to exporting more high quality products, from technology to luxury goods.

Take what I said with a grain of salt. I have no idea, as I'm not an economist. It's just my best guess.

 

[libertycall]

Couldn't say for sure.

From what I can see, the Chinese main purpose to to create a "all roads lead to rome" sort of scenario, where trade flows in and out of China. Their goal may be to turn China into the financial hub of the world, much like how the US currently is. Basically, import cheap goods on mass to stimulate the consumer market, while transitioning to exporting more high quality products, from technology to luxury goods.

Take what I said with a grain of salt. I have no idea, as I'm not an economist. It's just my best guess.

Have you read 'The Hundred-Year Marathon - China's secret strategy to replace America as the global superpower' by Michael Pillsbury? If you haven't, just to make it clear in advance that he was at the center of the early efforts to develop the Sino-American relationship.

 

[That Guy]

Have you read 'The Hundred-Year Marathon - China's secret strategy to replace America as the global superpower' by Michael Pillsbury? If you haven't, just to make it clear in advance that he was at the center of the early efforts to develop the Sino-American relationship.

No, but I disagree on one thing with that title. The Chinese don't seem to want to replace the US, as much as overtake them. China is content to let the US police the world, a responsibility the Chinese do not want, as it interventionism is against their own policy.

 

[libertycall]

No, but I disagree on one thing with that title. The Chinese don't seem to want to replace the US, as much as overtake them. China is content to let the US police the world, a responsibility the Chinese do not want, as it interventionism is against their own policy.

He actually agrees with that. He says that the Chinese intention is to be the greatest economic power and have others acknowledge them as such, but they don't really care for the 'kicking ***' brand of American gung-ho foreign policy.

Mearsheimer disagrees. He sees China as much more pro-active.

 

[simple Brain]

Your argument is based upon your own misguided assumptions, nothing more. Calling me ignorant won't change the fact that you're simply wrong.


You don't seem to understand the geopolitical ramifications, you're purely looking at this entire situation from a financial point of view, which is your biggest failure in making your argument.

First of all, the Chinese aren't just investing to save money for them selves, by having a shorter route to the middle east, they're doing it for military purpose. The Strait of malacca can be blocked in a time of war, Gwadar would provide a relatively safe alternate route for Chinese supplies.

Next, you're assuming that the Chinese would financially endanger their biggest military and political partner, not just in the region, but the world. They're not as stupid as you make them out to be, neither are they cowards.

As for the Iran-Pakistan pipeline, that point is not only invalid, it's actually the complete opposite from reality. China is actually set to build the pipeline for Pakistan, with the intention to extend the line to China in the future.

China to Build Pipeline From Iran to Pakistan - WSJ

Your point that Pakistan hasn't agreed to their terms is not only ridiculous, it's the most ridiculous thing I've heard. The only ones to make a fuss about it are PTI and PPP, the GOVERNMENT HAS ALREADY AGREED.

Hey, guess what, politics doesn't work like you think it does. Serious negotiations don't happen in public proceedings, they happen in private; the reason being to avoid unnecessary public and political meddling.

There are always going to be issues, that's the nature of multibillion dollar projects, that doesn't imply that one side is giving up on the other.


No it doesn't, you ignorant hick. The Chinese aren't investing in Gwadar to get Iranian gas, they're doing it to link themselves with the middle east and Africa. They can go around to Iran, but as long as India controls Chabahar port, the Chinese will not be able to use it the way they want. Going all the way around, by using central Asia, would defeat the entire purpose of China's investment in the silk road and CPEC projects.

Look at the map, LOOK AT IT.

If you still don't get why China is so invested in Gwadar, then I'm wasting my time here.


I'm not even going to dignify this comment.


Facts are facts are facts. You trying to character assassinate me won't change that fact.

You literally are speaking out of mere assumptions, rather than facts. You're ASSUMING, China is pulling out of this project, you're ASSUMING China is only in it for the economic aspect, you're ASSUMING that CPEC will fail.

Yes you have provided ZERO indications as to why you're correct.

I WILL ASK YOU AGAIN, WHERE IS YOUR PROOF?


One of CPEC's objectives is to provide stability and security, by providing jobs and raising Baluchistan's economy, so the Pakistan-China border stabilizes completely.

Iran is already going to link itself to Gwadar (through providing energy and road links), so both routes may end up linking up. Besides, Pakistan wants a route to central Asia, Iran can provide that with this very route.

its kind funny, I better not to reply, but let me explain you on something, have you ever traveled to China? or Central Asia? or Iran? Or Afghanistan? Or Russia, or all of them? Have you? you are showing me the map as if I have spent my entire life sitting in a single room and did nothing. 59 Countries that's how much I have traveled my friend. But, anyway take care will see you in couple of months. I will certainly get back on this, if in couple of months Pakistan's current Political party does not go home, or to be sent home or send to jail than their is no chance I am afraid to say that this CPEC project will go any further. Have a good one!

 

[That Guy]

its kind funny, I better not to reply, but let me explain you on something, have you ever traveled to China? or Central Asia? or Iran? Or Afghanistan? Or Russia, or all of them? Have you? you are showing me the map as if I have spent my entire life sitting in a single room and did nothing. 59 Countries that's how much I have traveled my friend. But, anyway take care will see you in couple of months. I will certainly get back on this, if in couple of months Pakistan's current Political party does not go home, or to be sent home or send to jail than their is no chance I am afraid to say that this CPEC project will go any further. Have a good one!

You can travel the entire world, but when you're wrong, you're simply wrong.

See, what I think is that you've never actually left Pakistan, ever. I think you're pretending to have gone to other nations, just to try and discredit me with "travel experience", which literally doesn't make sense at all.

You have NOT posted ANY PROOF of any of your claims, only saying that you've gone to other countries. So fucking what? I've gone to multiple countries as well, that doesn't mean anything.

Just stop.

 

[simple Brain]

You can travel the entire world, but when you're wrong, you're simply wrong.

See, what I think is that you've never actually left Pakistan, ever. I think you're pretending to have gone to other nations, just to try and discredit me with "travel experience", which literally doesn't make sense at all.

You have NOT posted ANY PROOF of any of your claims, only saying that you've gone to other countries. So fucking what? I've gone to multiple countries as well, that doesn't mean anything.

Just stop.

Proof? are you serious man? And why would I want to discredit you, I said that I literary hope that I am wrong, because I am more than desperate than you are to see that this CPEC becomes successful. I can't believe that, by the way I can speak around 11 languages, do you want me to proof that to you too? why don't you share your contact details I am planing to visit Canada in June and we will catch up somewhere. That's how you will be able to find out that yes I was't bluffing. so what do you say? or share your twitter account, or Facebook, I have all the proofs you need, simple is that. So, what do you say?

 

[That Guy]

Proof? are you serious man? And why would I want to discredit you, I said that I literary hope that I am wrong, because I am more than desperate than you are to see that this CPEC becomes successful. I can't believe that, by the way I can speak around 11 languages, do you want me to proof that to you too? why don't you share your contact details I am planing to visit Canada in June and we will catch up somewhere. That's how you will be able to find out that yes I was't bluffing. so what do you say? or share your twitter account, or Facebook, I have all the proofs you need, simple is that. So, what do you say?

Oh please. You know what I'm talking about, don't act ignorant on purpose.

I asked you foe proof of CPEC looking like a failure, you have provided nothing other than "I've traveled 52 countries". If there was even a remote chance of China dropping CPEC, trust me, the media being what it is, would pick up on it way before you even thought about it. They wouldn't even wait for the facts to show up.

As for you visiting different nations, do you not read other people's comments? I said it means nothings to me. Your travel experience doesn't make you an expert in economics and infrastructure development.

Whether you're desperate or not has nothing to do with this. Facts are facts.

I would also rather never meet you, ever. Talking to you over this chat is already testing my patience, and I'm not known for being a calm person.

You go ahead and travel the world, it still wont change reality. Circumstance does not imply a trend.

 

[simple Brain]

Oh please. You know what I'm talking about, don't act ignorant on purpose.

I asked you foe proof of CPEC looking like a failure, you have provided nothing other than "I've traveled 52 countries". If there was even a remote chance of China dropping CPEC, trust me, the media being what it is, would pick up on it way before you even thought about it. They wouldn't even wait for the facts to show up.

As for you visiting different nations, do you not read other people's comments? I said it means nothings to me. Your travel experience doesn't make you an expert in economics and infrastructure development.

Whether you're desperate or not has nothing to do with this. Facts are facts.

I would also rather never meet you, ever. Talking to you over this chat is already testing my patience, and I'm not known for being a calm person.

You go ahead and travel the world, it still wont change reality. Circumstance does not imply a trend.

I have already shared a concrete facts with you, but if you pretend to be the most ignorant one than what can I do, if you were Indian I would have never bothered to even reply, because I know that they are as dumb as f***. As far as my travelling is concerned, its not 52 Countries, it's 59 by the way and I did not mentioned it to you so that I can praise myself but I mentioned it because you being a smart as** trying to explain me the CPEC rout through a Chinese map. Forget about my travel experiences and forget about how much I know about geopolitics, you literary need a Psychiatrist, find a really good one who can tolerate your ludicrous and conceited behavior.

You think you are the impatient one? you probably wont hear me out and walk away, but I will punch you first in your gob and than will ask you further questions.

 

[That Guy]

I have already shared a concrete facts with you, but if you pretend to be the most ignorant one than what can I do, if you were Indian I would have never bothered to even reply, because I know that they are as dumb as f***. As far as my travelling is concerned, its not 52 Countries, it's 59 by the way and I did not mentioned it to you so that I can praise myself but I mentioned it because you being a smart as** trying to explain me the CPEC rout through a Chinese map. Forget about my travel experiences and forget about how much I know about geopolitics, you literary need a Psychiatrist, find a really good one who can tolerate your ludicrous and conceited behavior.

You think you are the impatient one? you probably wont hear me out and walk away, but I will punch you first in your gob and than will ask you further questions.

You've shared nothing, literally nothing. Remind me where you shared those facts? What were they? Oh wait, you can't.

All you've done is 'CPEC is a going to fail, because I said so, and because I travel a lot'.

You can call me crazy all you want, but that won't change facts.

"but I will punch you first in your gob and than will ask you further questions."

Internet tough guys always say shit like this.

My patience has run out. This is my last reply to your completely ignorant comment. Do not reply, unless you can provide those facts and evidences that you said that you previously provided.