First Project-15B Bangalore-class DDG hull : satellite pics

[Dillinger]

Yes they rolled out what ever they had. how it performs no body knows.

The PLAN doesn't dick around, they have the world's largest navy the USN and one of the most advanced air force in the USN's aviation element coming at them along with the Japs and Koreans who have AEGIS ships lined up themselves.

When we were still running about looking for an Austin they were building their own amphibs (Type-071) and LCACs for their island hopping plans.

They're dedicated, they are willing, they have a MIC willing to feed them and the funds to buy the stuff. Underestimating them is inane.

 

[he-man]

Better ship? naah.
still we are doing far better when compared to what they had when they were at our level.

Problem is we are 1/4 of their level right now..............
And right now is what counts,,,otherwise pakistan will start such arguments too.

Hell vietnam can start saying the same too

 

[Dillinger]

Modi must have seen the ship at the INS Vikramaditya show and asked it's specifications ans googled a bit on the way back. He found everyone screaming on the forums for 64 VLS. So he must have requested change in the ship during meeting with IN Chief.

That would make a nice urban legend.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

I guess then we have nothing to fear..........

SO you fear them?

 

[he-man]

SO you fear them?

I don't because i don't believe a war is possible between india and china.
But if i was the defence minister i would be worried by their buildup.........

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

Problem is we are 1/4 of their level right now..............
And right now is what counts,,,otherwise pakistan will start such arguments too.

Hell vietnam can start saying the same too

Did they do moon and mars mission when they were at the same level? did they make kamotra class and kolkata class?

 

[Echo_419]

Phir wahi savaal!

Know how is present even when one is fabricating cabins for the helos, it is present when HAL builds the Sukhoi's engines etc. AND IT MEANS NOTHING! There is nothing called ToT, not in the terms that you are imagining it to be.

Whenever you here ToT in our context (be it the Rafale being compliant with the ToT conditions or any other system) it refers to M-ToT, the latter term denotes what "ToT" means properly.

At best, it allows for operational independence, the ability to produce spares and rotables in country, the ability to deal with programmable systems in country, the ability to program say the digital library of an EWS/ECMS, the ability to integrate 3rd party non-OEM munitions or systems independently.

IT does not translate to a transfer of the "KNOW WHY". What jingos think is posited by the term "ToT" actually deals with the Know Why rather than the Know How and they conflate the two. The Know Why is NEVER transferred except for in rarest or rare cases (in India's context, the Europeans and Muricans go about it quite happily between each other).

My main question was can this TOT help accelerate our Indigenous Programs.For eg We cannot develop part 'X' for kaveri engine & dassult supply's us with with TOT on how to manufacture a simlliar part with similar functions is it possible by learning how to manufacture that part we can accelerate the pace at which we Develop part 'X' for Kaveri Engine.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

I don't because i don't believe a war is possible between india and china.
But if i was the defence minister i would be worried by their buildup.........

You need to be cautious.

 

[he-man]

Did they do moon and mars mission when they were at the same level? did they make kamotra class and kolkata class?

They have better ships than us.
In space their launch vehicle is 5 times more powerful than ours,were u sleeping all these years??

 

[Armstrong]

@Armstrong Nope, finals group-1 coming in 4 months, no work, chutti!

Finals Group 1 kiyaa haiii ?

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

The PLAN doesn't dick around, they have the world's largest navy the USN and one of the most advanced air force in the USN's aviation element coming at them along with the Japs and Koreans who have AEGIS ships lined up themselves.

When we were still running about looking for an Austin they were building their own amphibs (Type-071) and LCACs for their island hopping plans.

They're dedicated, they are willing, they have a MIC willing to feed them and the funds to buy the stuff. Underestimating them is inane.

And still they only sent fishing vessels over the island confrontation with japan.

 

[Dillinger]

My main question was can this TOT help accelerate our Indigenous Programs.For eg We cannot develop part 'X' for kaveri engine & dassult supply's us with with TOT on how to manufacture a simlliar part with similar functions is it possible by learning how to manufacture that part we can accelerate the pace at which we Develop part 'X' for Kaveri Engine.

To answer your specific question, NO, NO, AND NO AGAIN!

Ain't blowing up on you man, but a bit tired of the ToT hoopla, have provided Dassault's definition and details pertaining to the Rafale ToT package in detail on the Rafale sticky thread.

 

[Bhasad Singh Mundi]

They have better ships than us.
In space their launch vehicle is 5 times more powerful than ours,were u sleeping all these years??

Better ships? launchers? India if wants can make larger version of PSLV. But it wont be economical.

Finals Group 1 kiyaa haiii ?

equities and derivatives

 

[Dillinger]

And still they only sent fishing vessels over the island confrontation with japan.

Yes, its called biding your time, they have the folks running helter skelter as they shore up on the mainland. Its not the fishing vessels which has got the maritime self defence forces running for the Atagos and Izumos.

Understand, the JMSDF in qualitative terms has better ships, conventional submarines, amphibious capabilities than we do even now and yet it is very VERY WARY of the PLAN.

 

[he-man]

Better ships? launchers? India if wants can make larger version of PSLV. But it wont be economical.



equities and derivatives

Whose propaganda are u following??

Yes, its called biding your time, they have the folks running helter skelter as they shore up on the mainland. Its not the fishing vessels which has got the maritime self defence forces running for the Atagos and Izumos.

Understand, the JMSDF in qualitative terms has better ships, conventional submarines, amphibious capabilities than we do even now and yet it is very VERY WARY of the PLAN.

Because of the exponential growth in chinese military.
In 10 years down the line,,,jmsdf will be pygmy compared to chinese,,looking at their rate of induction,damn